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queen of spades
02-14-2010, 06:05 PM
It's an International but I don't know the model. Also is a CDL required for driving this if I'm carrying a load with total weight less than 10k?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3108084029_7ba8bf808c.jpg
Thanks..

tnmtn
02-14-2010, 08:07 PM
it looks like a 4900. they are usually over cdl limits. you might look at a 4600, some of them are derated and have hydraulic brakes.

MikeKle
02-14-2010, 08:23 PM
It could be a 4700 too? but it looks to sit pretty high, it isnt the 4Wd version, is it? Most of the 4700s Ive seen do not have that much open space in the wheel wells. Looks like a nice truck though. I was told as long as the truck had 19.5" or smaller wheels and tires, a CDL was not needed, no matter what the weight was, but Im sure it is different is every state.

unkownfl
02-14-2010, 09:01 PM
You need a class b to drive that. With or without air brakes depends on what brakes the truck has.

queen of spades
02-15-2010, 12:50 AM
What's the largest flatbed style truck that can be driven without a CDL? Currently pull my equipment with a 7k trailer (4k weight normally).

Looking to maximize what I can carry legally - thought the flatbed would be the way to go since there isn't the added weight of the trailer frame.

unkownfl
02-15-2010, 01:03 AM
You need to find a vehicle with a gvwr of equal to or less than 26000lbs. CDL trucks will say 26001 lbs right on the jam.

You need a CDL for the following two
1. A vehicle with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of more than 26,000 lbs.
2. A vehicle towing a unit with a manufacturer's GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs. when the GCWR exceeds 26,000 lbs.


You do not need a CDL for the following two
1. flat bed with less than 26000 gvwr or
2.truck having the capabilities of towing a gcwr which is pretty much a 3/4 ton if you pull a trailer.


Also you need to stay away from Air brakes. If the truck has electric brakes most likely it will be rated at 26000lbs which does not require a cdl as long as you don't have a trailer on it at all. If you plan on ever using a trailer you need a 3/4ton truck to be able to pull it without a CDL.
Your going to need DOT numbers on any commercial vehicle over a certain amount even if you don't need a CDL in most states.

Gravel Rat
02-15-2010, 01:07 AM
Judging by the dozer sitting on that truck its gotta be a 33,000lb gvw truck maybe a 35,000lb gvw.

Cummins343
02-15-2010, 01:16 AM
Well, look's like I break every CDL rule then.

queen of spades
02-15-2010, 01:31 AM
Piecing all this together. or trying... what's the difference between a 26,000 GVWR and "3/4 ton truck"? I understand GVWR is the max allowable load including passengers, fueld, ect. Not sure I understand the "ton" ratings trucks sometimes have.

queen of spades
02-15-2010, 01:33 AM
Also, why are ratings different for flatbed trucks and trucks with trailers?

unkownfl
02-15-2010, 01:37 AM
Because you are combining the weight into one vehicle. It doesn't matter how much you are carrying it's what it's capable of. Just get a CDL and be done it not that hard and a couple hundred bucks then you can drive whatever you want. Put it this way just because a semi is empty doesn't mean you can drive it because it only weighs 20k and is under 26000 (I'm just guessing). Not all semi trucks have air brakes.