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steveair
02-24-2000, 08:10 PM
Hello all, i am writing to get some feedback on a possible deer control measure that i have been looking into (or should i say thought up today while at work) To start, I'll explain my situation. Currently I am employed at morristown municipal airport in northern new jersey as a grounds specialist and am faced with a complex problem that I know is not unique. We have a overwhelming deer population and have to come to terms with the problem immediately (deer and airplanes usually mean millions of dollars of damage and an occassional loss of life, which doesn't go over well with the big executives who fly into are airport) We have tried just about every measure possible. We have fences but the deer jump over them or crawl under them. We send out patrols with scare pistols every half hour but are just laughed at. We have hunters roaming our grounds (don't worry, they do not shoot at the planes, at least try not too....) We have even gone as far as set up laser beam activated coyote decoys with growling voice boxes, and still have had no luck.<p>The best solution that i could think of for our problem was to repair our fence, patching the holes, making it higher, and then run a schedule patrol to make sure there were no breaks in the line. This however, is not possible do to the fact that our existing fence just happens to be located in a wetlands area and is no longer reachable for maintenance and/or too costly to repair. Because of this, we have looked into a relatively new deer fencing that is manufactured by a company called benners in Pa. Basically, the fence is a heavy duty plastic fence that is very strong, very economical, and rather easily installed. <p>Once again, however, due to certain regulations, we were not allowed to install this fence either. So....where does this leave me...?<p>Well, i just had a idea and would like some feedback on the whole idea. Out west, maybe you have seen them, they have these things called cattle crossing guards. What is basically is is a steel grate that cattle wont cross because they are afraid to have there hoof/legs stuck between the bars. From what i heard the product works without fault for cattle and the rumor is that it also works for deer. <p>So, my first question is whether anyone has had any luck with this idea and if so what were some of the drawbacks and downfalls?. To me, especially at this point where i have no other options, it seems to be a fairly rock solid idea considering the alternatives that consist of nothing at this point..<p>Now, my second question, which may sound silly, is the feasibility of contstructing such a grate around a entire airfield, a perimiter that measures close to 5 miles. Would this be insane? I have a feeling yes, but figured i ask.<p>I have given some thought and wondered if wires could act the same way as the cattle grate. Would a series of wires, say 30 or so, be spaced about 3 inches apart and 6 inches of the ground act the same way as the grate. I have no idea but am just wondering?<p>I would appreciate any response on this matter. If you found this to be the dumbest question to ever be asked, i apologize, and hope at the least, i have entetained you for all the time you spent reading all of this. <br>If you actually think that there was some validity to any of this, please respond back.<br>I am open to any suggestions and would like to hear any feedback and or any other suggestions that might be out there.<p>Thank you.....steve

paul
02-24-2000, 08:16 PM
steve, the cattle crossing won't work most are 3'-4' wide a deer can jump this like it's not there. Game fence is the only thing that will work. it must be buried 12&quot; below ground and be at least 10&quot; high.<p>----------<br>paul<br>

Lance720
02-27-2000, 02:04 AM
I have seen in the news airports using border collies to keep birds away. I wonder if this would work in you situation. My parents have one to help handle sheep and it works quite well. <br> Lance

gene gls
02-27-2000, 10:29 AM
I live in a town with a lot of apple growers. Deer do a lot of damage every year. I know of one grower that collected the cut hair from several barber shops and spread it in the orchards to give the sent of people present. He felt it worked to some extant. With the over populitation of wild life they seem to know where to go and not be bothered. I think if more time is spent in the troubled areas there will be a smaller heard present.Harrasment,let the deer know some one will be around more often.<p>I used to think it would be kool to have a couple of wild turkeys eating where I feed the wild birds.They were fun to watch for a while. Now three years later I have a flock of 57 turkeys that stop by every day. When I am home I show my presents to discourage them. I think they know the days Monday through Friday when I am away. They are very messey, like geese.<p>Good Luck

CGS
02-27-2000, 02:16 PM
Steve,<p>I'm not sure if this is legal. You can attach an electric transformer of some kind that will send an electric shock without killing the deer on the wire fence. This has worked on a person I bumped into a local hardware store here in the west coast. He said it worked 100%. The deer intended to get through in the beginning, knocking down the wires, but they got the shock of their lives and did not try again. The deer found another entrance, but he managed to add more wire.<p>I can't remember how he built it or were he got this type of equipment. I don't think is legal here in Calif.<p>You can experiment by trying to integrate some type of product to convert it into an electrical fence without hurting humans and animals.<p>You know what, he described that it feels like a stun gun...but when you touch it, it just gives you a jolt.<p>Thought this may help. You may want to check if it is legal, but since you have deer hunters...I don't think this a problem.<br>

fastlawn
10-07-2003, 11:42 PM
I have heard that the dogs work very well for deer. One nursery in MD tried fences, scents, etc and found dogs to be the best. Hey maybe you could try astroturf around the runways, that way the deer have nothing to eat and thus no reason to be there! Of course, if you spend all that money for astroturf, that in itself is reason for the deer to come back, just to sit there and spite you!

Grassmechanic
10-08-2003, 07:33 AM
As Paul said, 10' game fence. This is what the game ranches use to keep their deer IN! And what kind of regulations would prevent you from installing a fence to keep deer of runways? Present your case to the local zoning variance board. Once you convince them that a fence to keep deer from causing an aircraft to crash is in their best interest (future lawsuits), I bet you get a permit to install the fence.

Team Gopher
10-08-2003, 10:02 AM
Hi Steve,

Did you see this report (http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Aerodrome/WildlifeControl/Deer/menu.htm)?

"EVALUATION OF THE EFFICACY OF VARIOUS DEER EXCLUSION DEVICES AND DETERRENT TECHNIQUES FOR USE AT AIRPORTS"

Woody82986
10-08-2003, 11:26 AM
Yeah 10' fence. If the deer still jump that, take a picture because I want to see it. That hair idea worked on the movie "The Rookie" with Dennis Quaid. It kept them off the baseball field anyway!

panda
10-22-2003, 11:33 PM
I have seen deer go across a cattle station... broke their front legs off because they were running so fast.....Never saw it coming.... WAS NOT PRETTY... They got up and ran on stubs.. must have been the adrenaline i think.. Maybe you can come up with something better.. I do feel for ya though...Deer eat while they walk.. can be a real big problem.

BRL
10-23-2003, 02:10 PM
LOL Just so you guys know, Steve no longer works at that airport. But it is good to continue to post ideas to deal with the problems deer create in our landscaping & properties. (Look at the date of the thread that was brought back)

lawnmowermannh
10-23-2003, 06:48 PM
I had a deer problem and this is what I did and I didn't have to put up unsightly fences. I put up deer feeder and salt licks to attract deer away from my trees and shrubs. however if you do this check with your states conservation offier for wild life control.

Hey if you can't beat them, you'll should join them.

lawnmowermannh
10-23-2003, 06:52 PM
A dumb question is a question not asked.
good luck with your deer problem.

steveair
10-26-2003, 12:38 AM
Hello,

I'm making a special 'cameo' appearance tonight (haven't been here for a 'little' while but enjoyed seeing my name up on the board after all this time!)

anyway, as BRL stated, I don't work at the airport anymore. However, I do have some connections there still, and will report on the current situation.

At this time, the airport was able to bend a few reguations. In the last month, they basically installed a 8 ft plastic deer fence around a large section of the runway.

One of the interesting things to see will be how well the fence holds up to snow removal operations. The fence runs parallel to the taxiways, and during snow removal, a extremely large 600hp snow blower will most likely be 'blasting' the fence with literally tons of snow....it should be interesting to hear about what it looks like in the spring.

As for the cattle grate, they actually did install a small section of grating at the end of the runway, where no fence could be installed (for obvious air traffic reasons along with technical, landing electronics and navigational radar signal interuptions) the results of this are not in yet, as it was just installed. But,i think the results shold sound promising

Glad to see the post back up.

see you around.

steve

nuchdig
11-22-2003, 10:49 PM
There's a small airport nearby that had a similar (though not as extreme) problem. They remedied the problem buy bushhogging the entire perimeter of the runways back 250 feet or so.

olderthandirt
11-23-2003, 12:15 AM
22-250 with about 10 snipers for a few weeks. And only shoot does

mdmowerman
11-24-2003, 01:30 AM
i have managed to hunt in a small airport near my house. i just started going there last year. but i have talked to the guys that have organized this and they said the main thing about keeping deer out of the fenced in property was to eliminate their food source. also eliminate their bedding areas. when we go out hunting to the airpark, the first thing thats done is cover the hole in the fence where they are known to come in and out of. after that we push thickets and what not, have stands set up in certain places where the deer are known to go. while the # of deer taken off the property seems to be the same every year, the # of deer related airplane accidents at the airport is next to none compared to what the # was before the airpark was ever hunted.
note: deer are hunted w. bows, not guns

eliminate their food source, and bedding areas..end of story

craigs lawncare
11-24-2003, 03:33 PM
Actually this thread strikes a nerve with me because there seems to be no vegetation deer will not eat or destroy.
I planted several trees this summer in my yard and around my house and they are slowly destroying them one by one by either scrubbing them or eating them. :angry:

I dont know for sure when deer season ends in Michigan, but its just about to start on my property because as the area farmers harvest their crops food supplies will be even moore scarce. :gunsfirin


Craig

jwholden
11-28-2003, 07:39 PM
I live on a busy road and we have had two deer strikes the past week!

A fawn got hit a few days ago and a guy put the carcass in his van and drove off in less than 1/2 hour.

Last nignt around 11:00 I heard a noise in the road and woke up to find a dead 8 point buck in my woods.

I do not like what they do to landscapes but still hate to see them die.

hoffmanlandscaping
12-06-2003, 12:47 AM
I read an article in North American Whitetail a month or two ago on a study that was done with deer and fencing. To make a long story short they found that by taking a peice of wire and running it somewhere around 5'6" of the ground and them draping burlap over the wire to the ground or more or less building a soild fence where the deer could not see on the other side they didn't attempt to jump the fence.