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slplow
03-03-2010, 08:42 AM
After 10 yrs with my 52'' lesco hydro walk mower with a 19hp kawi, It's time for a new mower. A dealer near by has a left over bob-cat 54'' hydro 17hp kawi e/s for $5,100. Or I could get this yr's model with a 20hp E/S $5,400. Now I am trying to save some coin because of my health insurance in ma has doubled in the last three yr's:hammerhead: . So I am asking, does the 17hp have enough balls to cut my think well fert lawns that we cut.? I had a 17hp on my old 52''ferris and that did the job very well but the ferris hydro system was different.

All_Toro_4ME
03-03-2010, 08:58 AM
17hp should be plenty of power for you. I have a 17hp kawi on my wb and its a beast.

Darryl G
03-03-2010, 09:19 AM
17 HP on 54 Hydro sounds a little small to me. I have a 17 Kawi on my 48 inch Turf Tracer and wouldn't want any less. I'd spend the extra coin and get the 20HP.

mowerbrad
03-03-2010, 09:32 AM
I think you could get away with the 17hp but you may be a little short on power sometimes, especially if you put a sulky on and cut the thicker lawns. I will guarantee the 20hp will have no problem. It just seems to me that on a 54" dual hydro wb I wouldn't want less than 19hp. So I too would spend the extra money and get the 20hp.

sjessen
03-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Had a 17 hp, 52" Toro. The engine handled it fine while it was new. After it got some wear on it, not so well. If you plan to keep this mower past 1500 hours or so I'd opt for the bigger engine. Don't think you will be sorry.

slplow
03-03-2010, 06:39 PM
I would like owners of this Bob Cat to chime in. Like I said , I had a 52'' ferris with the 17hp in it and it would go through anything . I know there would be more power with the 20hp but I am just trying to keep some money in the bank.

mowerbrad
03-03-2010, 06:59 PM
I should mention that my bob-cat ztr, had an 18hp engine originally and ran a 52" deck and spindle driven collection system, not much trouble either (until the engine started to eat oil and "blew up").

jmullins6987
03-06-2010, 09:26 AM
dealer in ct has a bob-cat hydro walk behind 48" cut with a 17 horsepower kawasaki has bob-cat's new z-control handles. will deliver to ma. for free and tax free. on sale for only $3999! give him a call 203-521-0086 his name is jeff

CLS LLC
03-06-2010, 01:58 PM
if you don't get the 20 hp you'll be kicking yourself.

Lets consider for a minute that the machine will be used for 2100 hrs. If that's the case the $300 price difference will increase the operating cost of that machine by a mere 14 cents per hour. Just so I don't hear it from everyone else, we'll also assume it uses an extra 10 cents per hour in fuel.

So obviously the answer is to just raise the price of each of your lawns 24 cents per mowing. Or we can just assume, that because the 20 hp doesn't bog down like the 17 hp and is also slightly faster, that you'll be able to shave the 15 seconds off of each lawn necessary to make up the difference in the price. (This assuming that you charge about $60 an hour)

Either way, it just makes sense to take the 20 hp

CLS LLC
03-06-2010, 02:03 PM
Now if you want to further dissect your decision, you could ask the dealer to look up the prices of general maintenance parts such as air filters as well as the oil capacity of both machines, to find out the true operating costs of each machine. And then determine if the higher hp could save you enough time to justify the cost. But I still think the max it could change your operating costs would be 50 cents per hour. That being said you would only have to make shave 30 seconds off each hour... and I think that's entirely feasible, and then some.