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Yard
01-04-2000, 03:25 PM
I'm bidding a job for the spring that includes some sod installation. Any tips on the prep work? The price per square foot? I'm located in CT. Thanks!!

MJ LANDSCAPING
08-29-2002, 08:55 AM
We get $1.00 a sq. ft for the installation of sod. That price includes light raking. If there is major preparation involved then you charge them extra. We just did 12,000 sq. ft this week and the customer had us prep the area 2 days before. I charged them for a skid steer, topsoil and labor x 7 hours. Then 2 days after they were charged $12000.00 for the installation of the sod.

RwADesigner
08-30-2002, 12:49 AM
Man i need to move where you are......nobody here would ever think about paying $1/sf here

is that competitive where you are...

i would love to get that much here...........but no chance...

we usually sell for .35/sf here


o well....

Turfdude
09-02-2002, 08:40 AM
RwAdesigner,

I'm w/you on that being a little high!! WE too get around $.35-.40 per sq. ft for sod install w/ minimal hand grading. To rip-out, regrade and sod - now thats closer to $1.00 per sq.ft. Bryan of PAPS would concur w/ this too I believe.

Bob

PAPS
09-02-2002, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Turfdude
RwAdesigner,

I'm w/you on that being a little high!! WE too get around $.35-.40 per sq. ft for sod install w/ minimal hand grading. To rip-out, regrade and sod - now thats closer to $1.00 per sq.ft. Bryan of PAPS would concur w/ this too I believe.

Bob

Yes i would concur... i get about .35-.55 for a simple sod install with no prep. But then charge accordingly for prep work if nec. I.E. X hrs for machine work grading... X $$ for yards of topsoil installed... etc. but a safe bet is about $1.00 per sq. on prep/sod.

TurfGuyTX
09-02-2002, 04:52 PM
If I didn't know what to charge, I'd call some of my local cometitors to get an idea. Prices do vary across the country. If you don't have any local competitors, then I guess you could charge anything you wanted. But, I'd bet a couple of phone calls would better serve you. Good luck.

bill--bls
09-02-2002, 06:12 PM
sod cost .35 to .36 per sq. ft, we install for $1.00 per. this inclouds (sp) lite hand grading. anything above that is extra$$

Always Green
09-02-2002, 08:40 PM
Mj, you got to be kidding you really get over $10,000.00 for one days work? I guess you only work one day a year.The sod cost you less than $2,000.00 and 6 men can install it in one day.
6 men @ $400.00 per day is $2,400.00
12,000 sq ft of sod at say$0.15 $1,800.00
15% profit $630.00
total $4830.00

If you really get a dollar a sq. ft, how many sq. ft do you do in a year 12,000
we do between 50,000 and 200,000 a year and its not all we do. i couldn't sleep at night if i charged that much, now if your talking prep too sure it can go over a dollar.

MJ LANDSCAPING
09-02-2002, 09:29 PM
always green thats what seperates south jersey with central jersey. We can get a $1 a sq. cause our customers spend the dough. We are talking estate homes not shacks. We do about 150k to 200K of sod a year. Everyone around here spends the $ for the looks of there property. Thats your problem if you dont get it. You never made $10k in one day. You must be doing low scaled work. We average jobs a week that are $5- $60k a week. You need to take it up a notch. But you are probably a glorified lawn cutter, instead of a full service company.

PAPS
09-02-2002, 11:00 PM
What kind of gross sales do you do a year if your grossing about $200,000 a year in just sod as you just mentioned... and I noticed that in another post you responded to, you mentioned you do like about 100,000 sq. ft a year in stamped concrete.... if your doing 100,000 sq.ft a year in stamped concrete... thats got to be like atleast $600,000 a year in sales there... + your "sod" sales... your at like almost a million dollars a year in just two items.... damn... you must be doing like $10 million a year then in total sales... figuring in all other aspects of landscaping...please... tell me what kind of gross sales you do... :rolleyes:

little green guy
09-02-2002, 11:21 PM
Man I'm in central Jersey and do work at estates and i can't get 1.00 a sqaure foot, i wish i could though.

bill--bls
09-03-2002, 09:20 AM
gentelman:

thank about it you buy the sod - you resale the sod to cust. - you work in labor charge for installation. if you are not getting around $1.00 per sq. you are lossing money. where you work or the part of the country you live in nothing to your bottom line.

mj. my hatsn off to you, you must not have to many low baller in your area, hang in there guy you might get rich (ha-ha) oh don't down talk us who do maintenance with are landscaping, it works for us.

JimLewis
09-03-2002, 01:42 PM
We get between $1.25 -$1.75 per sq. ft. for sod installs, depending on how much prep. work and soil ammendment is needed. That is the going rate these parts. Every once in a while I'll go down to $1.10 or so for a larger install.

Then again, the typical sod install is about 1000 - 2000 sq. ft. Further, this is only working for residents - not builders, not commercial.

We've been through this before on Lawnsite. Prices for sod installation vary enormously from one area of the U.S. to another.

I can't really comment as to prep. work for your area. It all depends on what kind of soil is there, how good the current grade is, etc.

JimLewis
09-03-2002, 01:50 PM
I gotta agree with Bill. I don't see how anyone would make money installing sod for less than $1 a sq. ft.

I supposed you could do it if you had a REALLY high volume of sod installs. But we don't get THAT many calls for sod installation. So even if we won every bid I couldn't make any money doing it for less than $1.

Mow&Snow
09-03-2002, 10:53 PM
The sod cost you less than $2,000.00 and 6 men can install it in one day.
6 men @ $400.00 per day is $2,400.00

I just gotta ask man, who the hell pays laborers $400.00 a day to grunt and carry? My guys RUN all day in the hot sun with no water no breaks and they LOVE me! Where did you come up with that figure anyway?

6 men @ $12.00 an hour is only $576.00 now that would be fair.

MJ LANDSCAPING
09-04-2002, 07:53 PM
thanks for the support BLS & LEWIS, you gotta make money and I personally think if you are under $1 you are cutting yourself. You know how much mone you have to make a day & how much you have to make on these large install jobs. If you are making just a few hundred $ on jobs then I dont feel sorry for you.

strickdad
09-05-2002, 12:48 AM
next question is how much are you paying for the product?? by the way we are under a dollar a square ft. (slightly) and make good money from it.

bill--bls
09-05-2002, 09:37 AM
what a person charges for his or her work is really thier business, but if they are out to make a profit and stay in business they need to know what the product cost at the time of the job, not next spring, also what is the labor cost, how much time is it going to take,factor all this together and you will probley come out around $1.00 to $135-give or take alittle. the big factors or cost of sod and labor. out here sod cost about 34 cents per sq, ft.--labor is any where from $10 to $15.00 per hr. do the math, antway I'm starting to ramble, time to stop.

strickdad
09-05-2002, 11:00 PM
so there is the difference... your paying .34 per square ft. we live 17 mile from a 2800 acre farm and we pay .12 cents per square ft. for fescue we install most turn key jobs at .95 per square ft. (includes soil amendents and light grading) and i fill like we are making money at this rate.and its less than a dollar a square ft.

paul
09-05-2002, 11:06 PM
Does size of the job matter ? Most of our jobs run 3000 sq yds or 27,000 sq ft. With grading and material we are in the $.38 to $.45 a sq ft range. In this area most companies are charging $3.00 per sq yd to $5.00 per Sq yd.

IBGreen
09-09-2002, 02:57 PM
GET ME A PLANE TICKET ! I'm moving up there with you!


Brandon Shaw
Evergreen Landscaping Concepts

JimLewis
09-09-2002, 03:34 PM
We pay anywhere from .22 to .28 per square foot for Perennial Ryegrass sod here in Oregon. Price depends on quantity. Again, rates here are from $1.00 / sq. ft. for cheapo landscapers to $2.00 / sq. ft for the higher end. But then again, the area I work in is the wealthiest county in the state. Even our middle class here is doing way better than the middle class in other areas of the state.

I don't think I'd be in this business if I couldn't make that kind of money. And it's mostly because of the area we live in that we CAN make that kind of $.

Always Green
09-09-2002, 08:23 PM
Mow&Snow,
$400.00 a day per man includes wages, taxes, insurance,fuel in the truck, etc I pay $8.50 to $11.00 per hour for men without driver lic. and $10.00 to $15.00 with lic.

mj
WE work on $500,000 to 1mil homes
Ocean county ranks in the top 10 building markets national for the last 20 years.
Hell at 40cents a sq' ft I'm one of the highest priced around.
But we only pay 11cents a sq ft for Fesque
I know of guys around here that get 26cents working for builders
Let me know where your at I'll load up some men in the crewcab,drive the hour to where your at do the work for 80cents and still make money hand over fist

Mow&Snow
09-09-2002, 08:43 PM
I still don't get it. 400 a day minus 120 for an 8 hour day at 15 bucks an hour leaves 280 dollars.

Are you suggesting that you pay more for ins. and tax than u do the man?

I don't know.....

Always Green
09-09-2002, 09:25 PM
Do I Pay More for Insurance, taxas, fuel, Fica, workers Comp., unemployment, disability,cel phones, office phone, shop rent, electric nat. Gas, sewer, water, etc that I pay my men you bet I do Don't you?

Mow&Snow
09-09-2002, 10:53 PM
ummmm, NO!!! Is it possible you are going something wrong?

Using your numbers, you say that your business expenses per man hour are $50.00????? Something truly wacked there man. Way out of line by anyones standards. with those expenses, you would need to charge $75.00 an hour per man. That would be $300.00 per hour with a four man crew! I guess what I'm I saying is....NO WAY!!!

It would be OK with me if you want to recalc that and back off that statement cause if not......

Mow&Snow
09-09-2002, 11:08 PM
Ok, been thinking. My last post was over the top. And I'm sorry.

But here is my question. If you figure your operating costs at $400.00 a day per man including all overhead involved, how can u afford to cut grass?

It costs you $1200.00 A day to roll out of the shop. You would need to mow 24 $50.00 lawns just to break even. It just doesn't work.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic anymore either. I really can't make sense of those #'s

Tom

Always Green
09-09-2002, 11:32 PM
You figure it out
Contactors & auto insurance $25,000.00 per year (welcome to NJ)
worker's comp $15.00 per $100.00 in payroll
shop and yard rent $2,000.00 per month
nj corperate income tax9% plus $250.00 per year filing fee
accoutant to do above work $1,000.00 per year
office manager to answer phone and do billing etc &30,000.00 per year
landline phones $400.00 per mo.
cel phones $300.00 per mo.
electric $200.00 per mo
nat gas #125.00 p/m
unemployment & disabilty ins. $6.00 per $100.00 in payroll
fica contrubtion 8% of payroll
new backhoe payment $1,000.00 per month
Truck payments $1180.00 p/m
gas and diesel $1,200.00p/m
truck moter vec. regstration fees $2,500.00 per year
truck inspection fees $320.00 per year
this is only what i can rember off the top of my head it dosen't include new hand tools , repairs, building permits,ad fees, local contractor reg.,federal tax, chainsaw blades, mower blades,office supplies, and toilet paper and even though I charge a 15% fee for profit I sometimes have a few dollars left out of the 400 i get to keep (not a lot but a couple if all goes well)
And I haven't even brought up downtime like drought or rain and frost.

Always Green
09-09-2002, 11:36 PM
OK I see we do alot more than cut grass
And other than the comercial accounts we only really break even on res. lawns but I look at it like a mechanic looks at pumpimg gas, there's no real money in it but you establish a customer base who want landscaping and know others who do too.

Mow&Snow
09-09-2002, 11:37 PM
Well, I guess I only have one more thing to say on this subject.

Glad I don't live there!!!

KeesBBAI
09-10-2002, 12:04 AM
WHEW!!??!! Me too!

vardener
09-14-2002, 04:22 PM
Always Green,

Brother, I gotta ask a question:


How much profit do you make in a year?

And is it really worth it? That just sounds like a hassle to me. You pay your office manager 30 k? You need a wife!

You obviously have a very large scale business and are well covered. That's great, I have much to learn from a man like you.

I just dont think I would want to do something like that.

More power to you!

Mow&Snow
09-14-2002, 04:48 PM
LOL!

John Allin
09-14-2002, 06:16 PM
$30k a year in THAT market for an Office Manager ??

That's a pretty good deal.

nundad
03-02-2006, 03:48 PM
I'm applying 7000 sq ft and charging 1 hour labor per pallet to install (500 sq ft) 14 pallets which totals $700 for labor. This seems reasonable to me. Is that too low? Please email me with an answer. Not sure how to get back to this particular spread.

info@jeloray.com


Mj, you got to be kidding you really get over $10,000.00 for one days work? I guess you only work one day a year.The sod cost you less than $2,000.00 and 6 men can install it in one day.
6 men @ $400.00 per day is $2,400.00
12,000 sq ft of sod at say$0.15 $1,800.00
15% profit $630.00
total $4830.00

If you really get a dollar a sq. ft, how many sq. ft do you do in a year 12,000
we do between 50,000 and 200,000 a year and its not all we do. i couldn't sleep at night if i charged that much, now if your talking prep too sure it can go over a dollar.

LANDSCAPER30
03-02-2006, 08:01 PM
We get 5.00/yard installed in this area. Prep is the key to a successful sod installation. Good soil and granular is critical before the sod is laid. We put down Fertilome lawn starter and screened topsoil before we do so.