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chrisby316
03-18-2010, 04:41 PM
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=912858

yep folks its all true. basically everything that people have been saying about chemlawn for years is proven right here in the story. im sure this wont be the last time.

nighthawk117
03-18-2010, 07:43 PM
Nice, too bad they dont enforce the laws in Ma. There are plenty of unlicensed applicators out here, some working for large landscape companies. Yet they say that there is an enforcement department?? When are they going to earn their salary. :laugh:

lawnlandscape
03-19-2010, 01:10 AM
I don't really get into all the TruGreen bashing.. but one possitive about this, is... maybe they will raise their rates because of this a bit = More business for me.

Paying huge fines + having to do things right now costs more money for them, im sure! :)

grassman177
03-19-2010, 08:32 AM
i think that is awesome, and if they did that at every branch i am sure a fine like that would occur at every one, which i would just laugh to the bank after they shut the doors.

Think Green
03-19-2010, 09:30 PM
I don't think that 500,000.00 is going to hurt this billion dollar company. They spend this a month in gasoline charges.

GREEN-UP
03-19-2010, 09:48 PM
I met the Pres of Trugreen years ago. He told me they are a "marketing company, that happens to do lawn care." Meaning, they dont care what they do, just sell, sell, sell. Keep that article out there for everyone to see

lawnlandscape
03-19-2010, 10:19 PM
I don't think that 500,000.00 is going to hurt this billion dollar company. They spend this a month in gasoline charges.

Sure it does... Unless your Obama and money just falls from the sky...

S L C
03-19-2010, 10:29 PM
I just put the link of the article on my Facebook acct... everyone should do the same!!!!!

grassman177
03-20-2010, 12:17 AM
good idea!!!!!

bigw
03-20-2010, 12:44 AM
Half the guys that spray are not licensed if you ask me and they get away with it every day.
The same "Joe low balling non tax paying idiots" that slap a magnet on their truck and pull their home depot trailers with their bent shaft homelite weed wackers are also spraying pesticides and it just kills me every time i see one of them. I swear if i knew how to turn these dopes in i would and not think twice about it.
Why should we law abiding tax paying business guys have to pay all the taxes and insurance that we do but they don't? Wouldn't it be nice if we could pocket all the money we made, how they don't get caught is beyond me!

S L C
03-20-2010, 12:47 AM
Half the guys that spray are not licensed if you ask me and they get away with it every day.
The same "Joe low balling non tax paying idiots" that slap a magnet on their truck and pull their home depot trailers with their bent shaft homelite weed wackers are also spraying pesticides and it just kills me every time i see one of them. I swear if i knew how to turn these dopes in i would and not think twice about it.
Why should we law abiding tax paying business guys have to pay all the taxes and insurance that we do but they don't? Wouldn't it be nice if we could pocket all the money we made, how they don't get caught is beyond me!

no kidding, would be nice... but it seems likes a lot of people on here would disagree tho.. lol

SeedPro
03-20-2010, 01:05 AM
I met the Pres of Trugreen years ago. He told me they are a "marketing company, that happens to do lawn care." Meaning, they dont care what they do, just sell, sell, sell. Keep that article out there for everyone to see

BS.

They would never say that. That's just an old saying about them anyhow.

:nono:

lawnlandscape
03-20-2010, 08:01 AM
Half the guys that spray are not licensed if you ask me and they get away with it every day.
The same "Joe low balling non tax paying idiots" that slap a magnet on their truck and pull their home depot trailers with their bent shaft homelite weed wackers are also spraying pesticides and it just kills me every time i see one of them. I swear if i knew how to turn these dopes in i would and not think twice about it.
Why should we law abiding tax paying business guys have to pay all the taxes and insurance that we do but they don't? Wouldn't it be nice if we could pocket all the money we made, how they don't get caught is beyond me!

In Wisconsin its VERY easy to turn these guys in. You just report it, and the agency is REQUIRED to at least check it out. I have done it, on a few occasions.

In Wisconsin, you don't even need to know for sure if they are certified or not. All I have done is just send an email to the guy in charge of the pesticide regulations in Wisconsin, saying, I saw this guy usings pesticides, I don't think he is certified. He goes under company name _____ and his phone number is _____ and he operates in the city of _______.

Per there own rules, they are required to check him out. :cool2:

LushGreenLawn
03-20-2010, 08:12 AM
Be careful putting that article everywhere...I does not just make Tru Brown look bad, it makes the entire industry look bad. When an industry leader has problems, people assume the entire industry has problems.

SeedPro
03-20-2010, 10:44 AM
Be careful putting that article everywhere...I does not just make Tru Brown look bad, it makes the entire industry look bad. When an industry leader has problems, people assume the entire industry has problems.

Good thought.

I agree.

clydebusa
03-20-2010, 10:52 AM
Be careful putting that article everywhere...I does not just make Tru Brown look bad, it makes the entire industry look bad. When an industry leader has problems, people assume the entire industry has problems.


I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ryde307
03-20-2010, 11:21 AM
Many look at this as a good thing for the small guys but Im not so sure it will end that way. Reasons being they will start to take a deeper look now into other areas and other large companies andf probably uncover more issues. I promise trugreen isnt the only one out there not being 100% legal. This will only lead to higher costs to you. Insurance, product, new regulations tightening everthing costing you more.
The other problem is the public perception like stated above. Many around dont like trugreen but look at them as a large industry leader. It will not only cause the public to look bad at trugreen but the industry as a whole. If the big guys cant get it right odds are the small guys are messing up twice as bad. There for hurting the industry as a whole.
The guys who really will benefit from this are going to be the all organic companies. As there will be a bigger push towards useing "safe" products.

turf&snow98
03-20-2010, 11:26 AM
they have 2.5 million customers? wow, lots of dumb people.

greenScape09
03-20-2010, 11:30 AM
thats funny because they say the "use of pesticides" in the artical, well i swear tru-green just sprays water, not pesticides... tru-green sucks!!!

Heidi J.
03-20-2010, 04:55 PM
they have 2.5 million customers? wow, lots of dumb people.

Funny story, I got a call a few weeks ago from a customer who wanted to cancel.When i asked the reason, she said she was going with TG. I asked her why? Did they offer her a better price? Did our applicator do something wrong?? Nope she said. It's because TG was driving her batty by calling every day:hammerhead: I just said fine.. but just a warning, they will call even more now.:laugh:

Some people..

GREEN-UP
03-20-2010, 09:49 PM
Funny story, I got a call a few weeks ago from a customer who wanted to cancel.When i asked the reason, she said she was going with TG. I asked her why? Did they offer her a better price? Did our applicator do something wrong?? Nope she said. It's because TG was driving her batty by calling every day:hammerhead: I just said fine.. but just a warning, they will call even more now.:laugh:

Some people..

I have a customer thats has been getting a call in the am and pm last 3 days from TG

jdmcat
03-20-2010, 11:05 PM
Half the guys that spray are not licensed if you ask me and they get away with it every day.
The same "Joe low balling non tax paying idiots" that slap a magnet on their truck and pull their home depot trailers with their bent shaft homelite weed wackers are also spraying pesticides and it just kills me every time i see one of them. I swear if i knew how to turn these dopes in i would and not think twice about it.
Why should we law abiding tax paying business guys have to pay all the taxes and insurance that we do but they don't? Wouldn't it be nice if we could pocket all the money we made, how they don't get caught is beyond me!

Carry your camera around with you, take a picture of them spraying and send it to your ag inspector. These guys get nailed around here often because there are a lot of guys that were cheating the system, got busted, and are bitter plus there's a couple of decent sized outfits in town who like to make phone calls. Not to mention all us little guys who are fed up with supporting all the welfare junkies through our hard work and taxes.

Oh, and my Home Depot trailer is as good if not better than any other trailer I could have bought here in town... :)

lawnguyland
03-21-2010, 08:05 AM
Sure it does... Unless your Obama and money just falls from the sky...

Hey genius, remember Bush- worst president ever? Um, can you say defecit?

Iraq war cost 3X what health care costs and really, how annoying to bring up that bs in a pesticide thread in the first place.

Ooooooh....I think I'm smart because I can whine about Obama....look at me everyone.

lawnlandscape
03-21-2010, 08:48 AM
Hey genius, remember Bush- worst president ever? Um, can you say defecit?

Iraq war cost 3X what health care costs and really, how annoying to bring up that bs in a pesticide thread in the first place.

Ooooooh....I think I'm smart because I can whine about Obama....look at me everyone.

lol, it was a side comment that everyone read, and looked over. Your the only one that highlighted it.

Apparently you like Obama, and that's OK.. to each their own.... but, don't talk about any defecit under any other president. Mr. Obama is creating the largest deficit of any president during their term X10.

Iraq was was a must happen, just like Iran soon will be, unless we want to wait for them to attack us?!!? You are probably one of those ones that thinks 9/11 was done by our own government too ... right?

This conversation is better in a pm too, no one else wants to hear our bickering :nono:

Do whine and smart even belong in the same sentence?

BTW, you didn't even spell deficit right :rolleyes:

Young Bros
03-21-2010, 01:34 PM
Sounds like when I worked there. I would get in trouble for refusing to apply in windy conditions ect.

:hammerhead:

Think Green
03-21-2010, 01:54 PM
Sure it does... Unless your Obama and money just falls from the sky...

Are you denying that they are not a billion dollar a year company, or are you denying that they don't spend this much in fuel.??
Every magazine I subscribe too notes them the top spraying company in the industry. Davey tree co. and a quote few others even come in close to the race.

The records don't lie.!!
For the record, I am not for this company to say the least. I am saying that their tactics of sales and marketing are ethical. I agree that they should play by the rules of all state regulations involving employee regs and training. They should obey all federal and label laws just the same. Period!!! Just stating that they piss this much money away in monthly BS corporate actions.

lawnlandscape
03-21-2010, 06:40 PM
Are you denying that they are not a billion dollar a year company, or are you denying that they don't spend this much in fuel.??
Every magazine I subscribe too notes them the top spraying company in the industry. Davey tree co. and a quote few others even come in close to the race.

The records don't lie.!!
For the record, I am not for this company to say the least. I am saying that their tactics of sales and marketing are ethical. I agree that they should play by the rules of all state regulations involving employee regs and training. They should obey all federal and label laws just the same. Period!!! Just stating that they piss this much money away in monthly BS corporate actions.

I am not denying either. I am saying that 500,000 find hurts any company... no matter how big or small they are. How many sales does it take a company like TG to make $500,000 in CLEAR profit. Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots.....(to be continued) ;)

To say it does not hurt a company their size is to say they don't mind making $0 profit on hundreds of thousands of properties.

TG's profit margin, is a lot smaller then you may think.

Glenn Lawn Care
03-22-2010, 12:26 AM
lol that sucks. may be people will stop hiring them and hire me!

JDUtah
03-22-2010, 12:18 PM
thats funny because they say the "use of pesticides" in the artical, well i swear tru-green just sprays water, not pesticides... tru-green sucks!!!

Haha true that! I was gonna joke that the only violation would be claiming to apply a pesticide, but applying it UNDER the minimum label rate... like zero...

In reality though, with my smelly observation, they apply the pesticides, but skip the fertilizer.

I once asked a TG tech what he was applying in his spring app. He said, "I don't know, they mix it back at the shop." :cry:

lawnlandscape
03-22-2010, 04:47 PM
Haha true that! I was gonna joke that the only violation would be claiming to apply a pesticide, but applying it UNDER the minimum label rate... like zero...

In reality though, with my smelly observation, they apply the pesticides, but skip the fertilizer.

I once asked a TG tech what he was applying in his spring app. He said, "I don't know, they mix it back at the shop." :cry:

Sounds like personal applications that are individual for each yard, like they are adverting like crazy on TV right now.

kirk1701
03-23-2010, 03:58 PM
I've been outside all morning transplaning some plants and putting fert around them.

THIS from the local weather station:
TODAY:
Mostly Sunny, Much Warmer...High 64, winds W-10

I can confirm its a bit more then 10 MPH :confused:

I'm glad my tomatoes are not set out yet nor are my fruit tree's blooming yet :clapping:

I do always wonder though what they think as they drive past my house seeing how nice the yard looks after I got ride of them :laugh:

lawnlandscape
03-23-2010, 04:59 PM
That TruGreen lawn does look pretty good actually tho from a distance. It looks like he needs to pull up his pants tho... lol

Is that your lawn at the bottom of the picture? because that one look really good! And if it is yours, why are you neighbor's using TG, and not you!

kirk1701
03-23-2010, 05:28 PM
That TruGreen lawn does look pretty good actually tho from a distance. It looks like he needs to pull up his pants tho... lol

Is that your lawn at the bottom of the picture? because that one look really good! And if it is yours, why are you neighbor's using TG, and not you!


Goood question there :drinkup:

And YES that is mine at the bottom, but couldn't have done it without the advice from you guys here :clapping:

lawnlandscape
03-23-2010, 06:00 PM
well, you need to have a little chat with your neighboors.. lol

JDUtah
03-23-2010, 06:06 PM
And take the applicators test...

:clapping:

Really though Kirk, I have watched you grow since that first episode with the fungal issues. You have come a long way. If you could work the transportation out, I believe you could pull of your own operation well enough. Either way you should be proud of yourself. :)

kirk1701
03-23-2010, 11:41 PM
And take the applicators test...

:clapping:

Really though Kirk, I have watched you grow since that first episode with the fungal issues. You have come a long way. If you could work the transportation out, I believe you could pull of your own operation well enough. Either way you should be proud of yourself. :)

Thanks for the complement JD
Don't think I haven't thought about it; I have. All boils down to transportation, always has because I can't drive :cry:

Some of you might not be aware what JD is referring to, I have seizures due to spinal meningitis at 6 months old, ran high fever which left scar tissue on the brain which is what the neurologist say cause the seizures today.

I just turned down a great job last week in the field I went to school for (Microsoft Support Specialist) because the IT personnel would be required to drive to site to repair/upgrade network.

S L C
03-24-2010, 12:01 AM
Dang.. wish you the best Kirk!!!!!!!!!! :drinkup:

kirk1701
03-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Thanks SLC

Mowed last night so thought I'd post a pic of the whole yard :drinkup:

It's a Lawnsite lawn not a TruGreen lawn :laugh: