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motorscot
04-03-2010, 12:18 AM
Ok, did a little searching but wanted to post anyway.

52 building condo complex

Average 4000 sq ft lawn each

Terrain ranges from flat to slope

Room for up to 36" WB

Prior company used three man crew to work until 2 -3 pm, doing half one day then second half the next.

Weekly service: mow, trim, edge, blow only.

No parking lots except clean up clippings.

No beds to worry about. Mulch will be separate.

Calculator shows 20 minutes each unit with 2 men = 26 units in 9 hrs

Rate is generally $50/hr

Calc show $4170/month (after /12)

18 hrs/week for 36 weeks

Feedback please??????

motorscot
04-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Come on guys. Am I missing something?

Does this look reasonable?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Mahoney3223
04-04-2010, 11:31 PM
i like that stop lowballing calculator...pretty slick...i need to hand it out to the hacks around here. the rate looks good. i know up here we wouldnt get near that much because of the lowballing but if you can get that, great...it's a fair price..but fair ain't fair around here

ALC-GregH
04-05-2010, 08:02 AM
Instead of telling you how you should know your numbers and learn to bid jobs on your own without asking strangers if you did it right, I'll just say, no comment.

motorscot
04-05-2010, 08:33 PM
Instead of telling you how you should know your numbers and learn to bid jobs on your own without asking strangers if you did it right, I'll just say, no comment.


Thank you for the help.

I don't want to make a mistake and shortchange myself by forgetting something. If I was perfect, then.....well, I'll just say no comment :wall

AA+ landscaping
04-05-2010, 09:49 PM
[QUOTE=motorscot;3503006]



Rate is generally $50/hr

Is $50.00 your man hour rate seems a little high?

motorscot
04-06-2010, 01:52 AM
Rate is generally $50/hr

Is $50.00 your man hour rate seems a little high?

It varies by job and equipment. I normally charge between $35-75 per hour depending on the job. For instance, I quote $75/hr for tree work. As low as $35 for basic stuff like debris removal, etc.

I ended up quoting just over $36/man hr for this job. I priced it as 52 4k sq ft homes using the calc link below with my company's overhead.

My guys can do 2.5/hr if the homes are on the same street. These are all basically connected and they can do 3+ per hour. They can just about do one entire section (24-28 buildings) without getting hands/feet off the mowers.

I obviously could go higher on the bid, but I also have the opportunity to get an adjacent complex if I land this job. If the windshield time was higher, I would have no doubt bumped things up quite a bit.

I'm not a rookie at this, but again, I would rather have feedback and make corrections than lowball, etc.

The purpose of this site IMHO is for help and feedback, not to be an ASS to others. Otherwise, we should all take our mowers and go home....

AA+ landscaping
04-06-2010, 07:51 PM
It should not change. It doesn't matter what you do. So say if it cost you $6000 a month to run your business. Then say you do leaf clean ups for a month at $20.00 a hour. So you will not make your monthly costs.

360ci
04-06-2010, 09:04 PM
I agree, keep hourly rate the same for lawn work. I do two $30 yards in an hour, so say my lawn care is roughly $60/hr (Canadian funds here ppl), so $50/hr US isn't all that bad. Especially for a three man crew, that's a deal.

The question is how bad do you want it? I'm only guessing you want it or you wouldn't have started this thread, but with that said, how bad do you WANT it? I don't personally like bids - trying to undercut the next guy by as little as possible. However, I'd bid higher than your posted $4200. I'd put in at least 4600, this gives you room to breath should fuel prices rise, or other costs, while still keeping a decent profit.

topsites
04-06-2010, 09:18 PM
Uhm, I would bid $548,574,411,286,426,924,336,531,478,714,368,545,148,365.00 but that's just me.
Guess I lost that one.

motorscot
04-06-2010, 09:32 PM
That's the type of feedback I was looking for.

Thanks guys.

motorscot
04-08-2010, 05:00 PM
Update:
Will find out the results on Friday the 16th.

Was 1 of 6-7 bidders. My contact said that I was in the middle.

Lowest to highest:
$2900
$3800
$4170 (me)
$4800
$5800

There may have been one more. Last year's crew charged $70k. Contact said that was way too much to pay. So it sounds like I have a reasonable shot.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would bid $2900/month:dizzy:

The final amount will be more as he mentioned that they would want 1-2 more services in Nov-Dec due to sheer volume of leaves and straw.