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Z-master man
04-18-2010, 12:00 PM
Ok guys my parents have a 2009 GMC 2500HD ext cab short bed 6.0 gas and it will be mine once I get my license. My question is it says it rated to tow 10,400lbs with the 3.73 rear end and 12,400 with the 4.10. We have the 3.73. Now does this mean subtract the truck weight from the 10,400lbs and whats left is what your trailer+load can weigh total? Or does it mean when I back up to a trailer the total trailer+load can weigh 10,400lbs?

ClassicLawnCareInc
04-18-2010, 01:01 PM
That means that you can tow 10,400 lbs regardless of how much your truck weighs.

Z-master man
04-18-2010, 01:04 PM
That means that you can tow 10,400 lbs regardless of how much your truck weighs.

So when I back up to a trailer the trailer and its load alone can weigh 10,400lbs?

GreenwithEnvyLawn
04-18-2010, 02:22 PM
Towing and payload are different. I have the same truck only the 07 version and it will tow 10,400. The max Gross combination weight rating is 16,000 lbs. So basically you can tow the 10,400 lbs and haul about 3,500 in the bed at the same time.

Z-master man
04-18-2010, 02:41 PM
Towing and payload are different. I have the same truck only the 07 version and it will tow 10,400. The max Gross combination weight rating is 16,000 lbs. So basically you can tow the 10,400 lbs and haul about 3,500 in the bed at the same time.

Oh ok thanks for clearing it up my dad (been a truck driver for 30 yrs) kept trying to figure it out and we thought it meant between the truck and trailer the total weight could only be 10,400..

ClassicLawnCareInc
04-18-2010, 02:57 PM
The 10,400 is the max your truck can tow legally.

zabmasonry
04-18-2010, 06:02 PM
Check your Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR), that is the maximum that your loaded truck and trailer combination can weigh.

Also check your axle ratings (FAWR and RAWR), you can't exceed those, regardless of where, or what your load is.

And finally, I strongly suggest that you make sure that you trailer is registered under 10,000 pounds, otherwise you need a Class A CDL.

All of this is more contingent on your desired level of legality. If you are just doing lawn care locally, I probably wouldn't concern myself with this that much. But . . . .

Z-master man
04-18-2010, 06:50 PM
Check your Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR), that is the maximum that your loaded truck and trailer combination can weigh.

Also check your axle ratings (FAWR and RAWR), you can't exceed those, regardless of where, or what your load is.

And finally, I strongly suggest that you make sure that you trailer is registered under 10,000 pounds, otherwise you need a Class A CDL.

All of this is more contingent on your desired level of legality. If you are just doing lawn care locally, I probably wouldn't concern myself with this that much. But . . . .

Ya I was just wondering cause even though I'll use it for lawns and landscaping we use it for towing tractors, etc. THANKS GUYS!

CLARK LAWN
04-18-2010, 08:11 PM
Check your Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR), that is the maximum that your loaded truck and trailer combination can weigh.

Also check your axle ratings (FAWR and RAWR), you can't exceed those, regardless of where, or what your load is.

And finally, I strongly suggest that you make sure that you trailer is registered under 10,000 pounds, otherwise you need a Class A CDL.

All of this is more contingent on your desired level of legality. If you are just doing lawn care locally, I probably wouldn't concern myself with this that much. But . . . .

WRONG!!! if you are going to quote law then maybe you should know what you are talking about.

You need a Class A CDL when the GCWR is over 26,000 provided the GVWR of the trailer is over 10,000.

you can rate it at whatever you want, the inpectors are going to go by the mfg weight rating.

with a 3/4 ton truck and a 10,400 trailer your GCWR is 20,000+/- so no CDL needed.

ajslands
04-18-2010, 08:15 PM
Why would the government ticket something they own 60% of?

That's like a state police officer giving a ticket to a FBI agent.
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Z-master man
04-18-2010, 08:22 PM
What does the government own 60% of?

zabmasonry
04-18-2010, 10:51 PM
WRONG!!! if you are going to quote law then maybe you should know what you are talking about.

You need a Class A CDL when the GCWR is over 26,000 provided the GVWR of the trailer is over 10,000.

you can rate it at whatever you want, the inpectors are going to go by the mfg weight rating.

with a 3/4 ton truck and a 10,400 trailer your GCWR is 20,000+/- so no CDL needed.

According to the Vermont CDL manual (here (http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/pdf/DMV-VN111-CDL_Driver_Manual.pdf)), any vehicle towing a vehicle in excess of 10,000 pounds requires a CDL. Perhaps this is different in Ohio, but I believe this is the federal standard.

Also, in vermont you can "derate" a vehicle, be it a truck, or a trailer. It's fairly routine. perhaps this is also different in Ohio.

CLARK LAWN
04-18-2010, 11:02 PM
page VT13 says exactly what i said. show me were it is different. Also says GVWR not what you sticker it at.

CLARK LAWN
04-18-2010, 11:04 PM
look at page 19 also

ajslands
04-18-2010, 11:23 PM
What does the government own 60% of?

General motors
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zabmasonry
04-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Alright, I interpreted it wrong.

ajslands
04-18-2010, 11:46 PM
It's all good! You just had a brain fart! :laughing:
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