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CincyWolf
05-03-2010, 12:12 AM
I understand that the brochure is not completely accurate for added features or differences when you go from the Performance to the High Performance series. For example the brochure shows a different tire type and size on the two 52" models.

Can you get an engineer to tell you the specific difference in these two 52" models 74903 and 74923. I know there is an engine difference and the better one has struts vs. chain for the deck and the tools free baffle lock but what other differences if any are there to justify the price difference?

Thanks,
CincyWolf

The Toro Company
05-03-2010, 11:56 AM
CincyWolf -

We're not exactly sure what you mean by the statement "the brochure is not completely accurate for added features and differences between Performance and High Performance series. We reviewed the catalog specs (pg. 30/31) and the following differentiation is called out:

1. Engine - Kohler 25hp vs. Kawasaki 27hp 2. Heavy-Duty Canister Air Cleaner - Optional on 74903 vs. standard on 74923 3. Drive Tire Tread - Turf Master vs. Multi-Trac (engineering tests indicate Multi-Trac provide improved traction and retain less dirt/grass). No difference in size.
4. Greasable Spindle Bearings - Ball bearings (74903) vs. Tapered bearings (74923) 5. TURBOFORCE Adjustable Baffle - 74903 adjustment requires loosening and refastening hardware whereas 74923 is tools free utilizing a cam lock lever 6. Deck Hanger System - 74903 utilizes chains vs. 74923 utilizes solid links.

Hope this information is useful.

-The Toro Company

CincyWolf
05-03-2010, 10:25 PM
Thanks for the response.

I'm waiting on a 74923 to come in. The dealer was told by Toro that it would not be available until May 12. The dealer also said that other than size, all the G3s have the same Turf Master tire tread vs. the Multi Trac. They even called their Toro rep and he told them them they had not seen any - at least lately - with the Multi Trac tread. The rep is who told the dealer the brochure had some misses.

I guess I'll wait until my machine is delivered and see what kind of tires are on it.

dalt1
03-12-2011, 12:12 AM
I see 2 different tire sizes listed for the 52" G3 performance mowers for 2011 year. Website specs call out 24" x 9.5"-12" Brochure (page 32) calls out 23" x 9.5" - 12" Anyone know which is correct?

grassman177
03-15-2011, 12:44 AM
i like the solid deck mounts we have on our g3s. really solid

The Toro Company
03-15-2011, 03:10 PM
Dalt1,

The brochure is correct. The rear tires are 23" x 9.5" - 12". We will make the changes to toro.com
Thanks,
The Toro Company

dalt1
03-15-2011, 04:53 PM
Dalt1,

The brochure is correct. The rear tires are 23" x 9.5" - 12". We will make the changes to toro.com
Thanks,
The Toro Company

I just picked up a brand new 2011 model G3 High Performance 52" with the 27hp KAW. It came with the 24 x 9.5 - 12" Is it possible it got the wrong wheels installed?

The Toro Company
03-16-2011, 12:08 PM
I just picked up a brand new 2011 model G3 High Performance 52" with the 27hp KAW. It came with the 24 x 9.5 - 12" Is it possible it got the wrong wheels installed?

Dalt,

There is also an engine difference; 74903 has a 25hp Kohler, the 74923 has a 27hp Kawasaki.
The Toro Company

dalt1
03-16-2011, 09:23 PM
Dalt,

There is also an engine difference; 74903 has a 25hp Kohler, the 74923 has a 27hp Kawasaki.
The Toro Company

Yes I have the 74923 model 52" deck and the 27 horse Kawasaki but it has the 24" tires. Is that normal

The Toro Company
03-18-2011, 10:39 AM
Yes I have the 74923 model 52" deck and the 27 horse Kawasaki but it has the 24" tires. Is that normal

Yes, this model should have 24" rear tires.
The Toro Company

dalt1
03-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Yes, this model should have 24" rear tires.
The Toro Company

Looks like the brochure is incorrect and the website is right.:dizzy:

CincyWolf
05-14-2011, 12:48 AM
dalt1 - let me know if you have an oil plug leak. I have the same mower as you (2010) model and the oil plug leaked. It appears to be the wrong plug because the o-ring does not touch the seat. I had to purchase a gasket that it is not designed to use to get it to stop leaking. Toro dealer wouldn't do anything even though I showed them two Kaw FX engines on their showroom floor that were also seeping oil. Hopefully Kaw has fixed this obvious defect.

Other than that I like the mower. Agree the brochure was wrong on the tires.

dalt1
05-14-2011, 10:25 AM
I noticed leaks on models on floor models (2010 models)at dealer and brought up concern. Dealer confirmed bad seals and said it had been fixed on 2011 models. Mine does not leak being a 2011. I like the mower but it rides considerably rougher than my old 2001 Exmark. I had the suspension seat on it, Now considering buying it for this one.

dalt1
05-14-2011, 10:26 AM
dalt1 - let me know if you have an oil plug leak. I have the same mower as you (2010) model and the oil plug leaked. It appears to be the wrong plug because the o-ring does not touch the seat. I had to purchase a gasket that it is not designed to use to get it to stop leaking. Toro dealer wouldn't do anything even though I showed them two Kaw FX engines on their showroom floor that were also seeping oil. Hopefully Kaw has fixed this obvious defect.

Other than that I like the mower. Agree the brochure was wrong on the tires.

How is that not covered under warranty?

CincyWolf
05-22-2011, 09:15 PM
It was covered by Kawasaki but the hassle of taking the mower back to the shop made it simpler to purchase a gasket and fix it myself at the 5 hour oil change. They never acknowledged there was a problem so I just imagined taking it in, them keeping it for days or weeks and then having them say there was nothing wrong. If they are admitting an issue with those FX engines now maybe I'll go back and see if they have a new plug kit that works.

Leland Lawn
06-16-2013, 03:33 AM
I have an '09 74923 and absolutely love it!! It now has 1200 hours on it, and next year I'll be looking at a replacement. I talked with my dealer last week about getting one just like I have now, and they informed me that the 6000 series has taken over the G3 name and is now the same mower.
Problem is Toro, you guys don't offer the High Performance model anymore that I have loved! Might I ask why that is? I'm not sure that I want to settle for a 24.5hp 52" either... also does the new 6000 series have the tool-less adjustable deck baffle that my mower has?

The Toro Company
06-21-2013, 12:39 PM
We are excited that you love your current Z Master mower.

Since the time you have purchased model 74923 in 2009, there have been some changes to the naming of the product series (G3 Performance to 6000 Series). We still carry model 74923 today, but under the 6000 Series name. From a product specification standpoint, the product today is essentially the same vs. 2009 models. It features a 52” Turbo Force deck and still has the tool-less adjustable deck baffle standard. From an engine standpoint, we are using the same Kawasaki engine (FX751V) today as the 2009 model 74923 that you have. What is different is that the engine manufacturer has changed the way they rate horsepower. The engine’s HP was rated at 27 HP in 2009. Now, the same FX751V engine is rated at 24.5 HP today. The engine has not changed, only the way the HP is rated. In addition, the product today features a standard deluxe suspension seat vs. the 2009 model which did not have that standard.

Thanks for your interest and continued support of Toro products!

Leland Lawn
06-24-2013, 01:04 AM
Wow that's all great news to hear!! I'm really looking forward to trying one out at sometime this year. Thank you!