phil what's his name...

[richard2]

where is that nelson guy he hasn't posted for ever...is he related to willie nelson?

[Guido]

LOL, I think he got pissed off cause everyone was bashing him when he was trying to raise money for chuck. Theres a picture of him at his page on turfquip, he doesn't look to much like willie!<p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/guidosequipmentpics/&quot;&gt;&quot;Guido&quot;&lt;/a&gt;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[lawrence stone]

He is on hiatus for a while while attending a twelve step workshop on multiple personality disorder.<p>He needs to get past the issues he has with<br>his Mr. Hyde personality A-1.

[Charles]

That was a good one Lawrence lol. Needed a laugh this morning. But thats not far from the truth either. I think he did say he needed a vacation. And most of us agree he did. And he changed his personality all the time. Good guy one minute/bad guy the next. A-1 another minute lol. Screaming at us for no reason..... But that is what happens in a forum nothing personal

[Lanelle]

I have an idea. While nilsson is on vacation or wherever, we should all quietly send the support to Chuck that phil was hollering about. Maybe he'll get the message that we don't need to be shamed into action and that we don't need him to do it.<br>What do you think?<p>----------<br>Lanelle<br>

[Keith]

Even if we can't afford to send him on a regular cruise, they have a new one here in Florida. It just goes out for the evening and it is just a giant floating titty bar.

[WorkForce Intl]

Phil is alive and well. He and I are currently debating Super Profits vs. Possibly Less Profits, Possibly Better Industry. <p><br>Elisama

[Nilsson Associates]

No .. I haven't been posting here and don't intend to. The site wouldn't support the host with the trip that everybody thought was a good idea, so why should I waste my time any further, supporting the site? I'm not angry about it. It proves that the site is what the site does. Mostly talk and no action. Mostly takers, few givers.

[richard2]

well, are you related to willie nilsson? pretty crazy story about that white house roof thing, huh?

[KirbysLawn]

Phil,<p>I joined the site during this project, and to be honest I saw it a few times and forgot about it. I like the idea you have and understand the concept, but do you actually believe 900+ people are going to participate? Surely you are much smarter than that! You say &quot;everybody&quot;, but everybody would have been 900+ people, I didn't see that many replies. As with most every effort or organization, there are many, but only a few do the work. Look at most any church, mine has 2000+ members, average attendance = 680-700, average visitation =25-30. Look at unions, PTA's, fund raisers, and so on, same story a few working and doing for the majority. I'm not saying it's right, that the way people are.<p>I did a search on &quot;cruise&quot; after seeing the above comment a read the post while at the fire station. To be honest, somewhere around June 8th, only 4 days into this it looks like you snapped! You made 2 post within 20 minutes using fairly harsh language, it seemed to go down from there. The link to that thread is here for others to view: http://www.lawnsite.com/cgi-bin/bigtalker/discussion.cgi?forum=1&discussion=1804.<p>On June 12th you posted a post with the title: Ed Wagner - Turfquip.com is Cheap? Not sure what your motivation was here but from what I read you were asking for $3.50, he pledged $7.00 and you publicly bashed him for all to read. If this was an associate of yours or not, it looked bad and tasteless. The link is here: http://www.lawnsite.com/cgi-bin/bigtalker/discussion.cgi?forum=1&discussion=1898<p>You state: People who have products or services to offer<br>and promote them indirectly thru the forum maybe should kick in more than the other guys?<br>I mean for all the endless posts he makes here, that's only worth $7.00 ... ? Seems like he has his priorities mixed up ... plus his pledge of only $7.00 is not what I would call a show of appreciation?<p>Phil Nilsson<p>No they should not! You were asking for donations, not sending invoices. A donation amount is made by the choice of the donor, not you!<p>You say you're not mad but it sounds like you are. I can't understand why you are alienating yourself from a web site that is growing daily with professional you look to sell to. <p>If you decide to quit posting here so be it, but think about it...you did not even give it a month! In my opinion you blew it, within 4 days you were criticizing 900 people for not responding (many of the 900 probably haven't been here in months), then ONLY 8 days into it you were publicly criticizing people by name for their donations being too low.<p>I will send my donation TODAY so I don't forget again, I will not tell you how much and I won't have to worry about being publicly executed.<p>Chuck - love the site, I will happily send my donation. I don't care if you use it for a trip, a computer, or toilet paper, just enjoy and thanks!<p>Ray<p>----------<br>Ray Kirby - Kirby's Cuttin' Edge Lawn Maintenance<br>Home Page (http://www.kirbycuttin.com), My Truck (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=681893&a=4967153), Lawn Photos (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=681893&a=4967155)

[Lazer]

For the rest of us who DID send money, this is a slap in the face, Phil.<p>In business, you don't worry about the customers you DON'T have, worry about the customers you DO have. <p>Did anyone who supported your cause get a single word of thanx, a note of apprieciation, a 10 second e-mail or a posting of gratitude?<p>No.<p>Some consultants are consultants because they are failures in business.

[Guido]

Yeah, Lazers right. Chuck, just out of curiosity, what is the money that we donated going to be used for, like kirby said, use it for what you want, but just wondering.<br><p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/guidosequipmentpics/&quot;&gt;&quot;Guido&quot;&lt;/a&gt;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[stslawncare]

Hi everyone,<br>ok my apologies, i totally forgot about the trip! I was also out of money. I am ready to send the money. I will send as much as i can. As a 14 year old my income is minimal, and i also do have a few bills to pay. But i am guessing around $20 maybe more. to show how much i like this site and appreciate the work and help of all the members and especially chuck i want to add that what i send will be the last of my money! my spending money that is. but i would rather go without a cd then lawnsite! if someone could just let me know who to send it to and who to make the check out to i would appreciate it. Thanks a lot everyone!<br>Scottie<p>----------<br>Scottie Schmidt<br>STS Lawn Care

[Nilsson Associates]

The cruise for Chuck was (and is still) a good idea, when it became clear that not enough funds would be raised, I suggested that each person who had made a pledge &quot;up&quot; the amount to make the trip possible. That would have required a contribution of about $45 each from all responders. Only my opinion but even at $45 bucks didn't think it was too much to ask of forum regulars who use this &quot;place&quot; the most. But if it is too much, forget about it then.<p>As to Ed Wagner of turfquip ... I still think his pledge of $7 dollars was a pitiful amount, nothing will change my mind about that! <p>As to 900 people all pledging a mere $3.50 to make the trip happen? Why not, I thought it was a painless amount, everybody should have whipped out their checkbook right then and there and sent in the money. What was the big deal with that? They couldn't be bothered, right?<p>Okay ... so let somebody else make the trip happen .. take over from here if you'd like, and raise the money.<p>Phil

[Eric ELM]

Phil, I think you had a good idea about this vacation fund. You started a good thing and I hope others will still try to help him get on this vacation or what ever he decides to do with the money. I'm not saying I can do any good at raising this money either, but I will see what I can do. I brought up the post again and upped my donation to $50.00 and hope others will follow my foot steps. Thanks for what you did, I'm sure Chuck will appreciate it.<p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://pages.prodigy.net/eric.erickson/&quot;&gt;Eric@ELM&lt;/a&gt;<br>

[KirbysLawn]

Phil, I don't think you get it. Click on some old post and then click on the profiles of some of the people. Many of the 900 do not participate at the site anymore. I don't care if the site has 10 billion members, as Guido or someone said, only about 100 people are active and you should be patient and give it time. You say &quot;when it became clear enough funds we not going to be raised&quot;, exactly when was that? To me it was about 8-12 days into it. Things like this don't happen overnight, much less in less than a month.<p>As for Ed, nothing will change my mind either, for no reason should you condem someone for giving money. As I see it, he was giving double what you asked, if he didn't want to give one cent that would be ok also. Asking for donations-not demanding.<p>Thanks for the great idea. I hope you stay here and continue to post here and thanks for responding.<p>Ray<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: KirbysLawn

[lawnforce1]

I for one love the site and use it as much as I can but for a month our business was exploding with new clients and a bunch of rain so when I got home at night I ran invoices and hit the hay! Didn't have any time to view this site. Missed it! <p>Now that we are caught up and having great success (due to many posts on this site) I have more time to check out all the great info on here. I didn't know about the fund for Chuck until today, but when I saw it I quickly wrote a check and mailed it. <p>I think that it is a grand idea but it is very naive to think that it would be funded in less than 72 hours! I for one don't care what Chuck uses the money for. He provides us all a forum to voice and expand, he deserves it!

[turfquip]

Kirby, others,<p>Thank you for coming to my defense. For the record, I did increase my pledge beyond the amount in question. How much? Only Chuck knows. Some have pledged more, yes.<p>Regarding the thread Phil started mentioning me by name......Phil and I have had a good working relationship for at least a year now, and I must admit when I saw the title I was a little shocked, but I quickly recognized this as good natured intimidation...a little ribbing you might say. <p>Shock value...that's what it had. Many of you know I'm not beyond using that technique from time to time myself (refer to the now infamous Interview with Lawrence Stone; and Industry Roundtable) :)<p>Some may remember that I offered what I believed to be a viable fund raising &quot;action plan&quot; in which my pledge would have exceeded ANY of the others I've seen to date. Naturally, I would have benefited as well by tying the whole thing into my site. <p>Would my plan have been any more successful in obtaining the desired amount for Chuck? Who knows. Not surprisingly, the notion was ignored...rejected.<p>Regarding Nilsson? Say what you will. Bash him if you must. There's no denying though, that he's one of the most accomplished consultants/authors serving this industry today. If you don't like him, that's your business. All this nonsense about consultants not making it in business is just that...nonsense. Have you seen his picture? The guy's no spring chicken :o What does the guy have to do to get respect? Still be out there swinging a weed eater into his 60's, 70's? Then would you listen to him?<p>I understand his frustration.<p>Ed<p><p><font size="1">Edited by: turfquip dot com

[Charles]

Ed, for one thing he could act normal lol. Not this Jeckal and Hyde routine. Good guy/bad guy. Soft spoken one minute, screaming the next. Success doesnt alway mean a person is well rounded. I mean you can be successful and still come accross as a Jackass. Just look at Bill Gates and the DONALD.

[KirbysLawn]

Ed, thanks for the reply. I have seen some bashing of Phil in past postings and a little on this one, and although I don't agree with it, I can't say it wasn't deserved. My biggest concern is the one's I listed above:<p>1. Not all &quot;members&quot; are active.<br>2. 8 or even 12 days in NOT enough time.<br>3. This was a request, not a demand<br>4. Naming people, good natured or not it appeared tacky at the least.<p>I read every post about this subject and I must say I agree with others about the Jeckel/Hyde thing. One post he was screaming and the other was &quot;just the facts&quot;.<p>I have nothing against Phil, I have an order form in my planner right now and plan on ordering 2 of his books. I admire his new career and agree at a certain age you may have to move on, I just hope I'm as smart as him and built my next career. But I still don't understand why he is alienating himself from us, his consumers, because $3000.00 was not raised in 12 days. If I screamed at my customers like that I would not be in business long. As I see it, we are Phil's potential customers.<p>Thanks,<p>Ray

[Lazer]

Leaders do so by example.<p>It's the same as telling my customers I would no longer service them because some other customers had not paid.

[KirbysLawn]

I have not ordered any of his books yet, still can't decide if I want to support him or not. I would like advice on either Bill's or Phil's books, which books are good and would prove the most valuable.

Thanks in advance!

Ray

[richard2]

say that was an old post....has anyone heard from that guy named A-1??????? i was wondering what he was up to...oh yae, someone said they saw some willie nillson guy PEEIN' IN THE BUSHES!!!!!

[Currier]

One thing to think about. If this was January or February people would be attacking each other like crazy! Did anyone else notice how stir crazy we all got over the winter...and the longer the winter lasted the nastier the replies. I can't remember how many folks said "My feelings are hurt...I'm leaving..."
So sometimes people seem abrasive, it's O.K. We live in such a sissied down time. Maybe we just need to toughen up and roll with the punches...maybe even give a few punches back now and then!

[Guido]

I emailed Phil tonight to see what was up with him??
I'll let you guys know when I hear back from him.


Ray, I have Phil's time and labor data handbook, and its a great reference book. I also have a few from Bill Phagan.
I really like them all, but they have different approches to writing. Phil is serious down and dirty straight to the business. Bill goes at it with a certain humor he adds to it, which really keeps you into the books. They're both sort of having "sales" on their sites right now, so check it out!!

[osc]

Hehe,hehe,hehe,hehe, ad infinity.

[thelawnguy]

Kirby

Bill is a southern boy, Phil is a northern Yankee, decide where your business fits and go with that author. I wouldnt buy a grounds care manual from Yankee Snow and Mud Phil if I were in Florida, likewise I wonder how much Bill, a 3rd generation Floridian (I think I read that somewhere on his site) would know about the snow business.

[KirbysLawn]

Very good point Bill!