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ELumin8
05-10-2010, 12:47 AM
Who services you better?

When I ask a question at the counter of an irrigation supplier the lighting specialist gets this all to common glazed over look in his eyes.

When I ask a question at my electrical supplier they can more than answer it but ususally do not carry the products.

Then there's the lighting show rooms...

So I ask where do you deal, electrical, irrigation, or showrooms.

S&MLL
05-10-2010, 01:03 AM
Locally I deal with Irrigation supplier. They stock what I need. And when they don’t they order it. If I had a tech question for them....... Well I shouldn’t be the one getting paid to fix someone’s else’s crap install. We are who we are because of what we know. People don’t pay us to use Google. A homeowner could do that themselves.

When I need a product or a brand my local guy doesn’t carry I call on one of the 3 online guys. Florida is a 3 day ship for me. Ohio is a 2 day. When it comes to installs we are at minimum 3 weeks back so we have plenty of time for material to show up.

I use to buy from an electrical distributor. Never again. Not only was I over paying..... Most of them don’t know anything about outdoor low voltage. Now I do still buy gfcis and such there but only because I hate lowes and home depot.


And on a side note. I have learned more from reading this forum then a seminar or a distributor could ever teach me.

RLI Electric
05-10-2010, 06:01 AM
For the low voltage lighting, I have to go to the irrigation suppliers. I seem to get that dazed look from my electrical counter guys regardless if I am doing a lighting job or a service change. The reality is when it comes to low voltage lighting it seems irrigation and landscapers know it a bit better than electricians. Not the code, not the electrical but the design and application hands down better than 99% of electricians. Electricians will THINK they know this better because it is, well, wires. It is the same thing with electricians and phone and data work. Take a look in a new house in a development. Phone wires will be connected with wire nuts not punch down blocks. The thing I notice is that most electricians or guys in that field know what they know and are not receptive to most things. Here is the big difference. The guys in ANY trade who are on places like this, where there is sharing of ideas, techniques and yes sometimes product names, are light years ahead of the rest of the pack who is doing what they are doing because they have always done it that way.

David Gretzmier
05-10-2010, 11:24 AM
I have 2 ewing irrigation suppliers that do low voltage and they mostly stock FX and thier store brand, and I also have a keeling ( a few in the south ) that does mostly nightscaping products. I would say that the managers of the stores of very knowledgeable about LV and irrigation, but the folks that run the counter are less so.

I have several electric suppliers, and they are helpful when I am subbing out stuff to a master electrician and know 120v, but are clueless at LV.

I have no problem buying GFCI's or red dot bubble covers at Lowes. I also order/ buy my king connectors there by the case. I am buying lighting for my new shop there, and the guy knew his stuff about t5, t8 verses t12 fluorescents, and knew the lumens per watt stuff. but I've never asked those guys about LV.

Online you can't beat Alan G over at Landscape Lighting World, for knowledge and product info, and he's a sponsor here. I buy from other folks online, but he's probably one of the smartest guys on the phone. I have no one I buy from except him who can quote photometrics, light diameters of different paths, and LED color temps with lumens per watt off the top of thier head. He "gets" this business.

S&MLL
05-10-2010, 11:48 AM
Up my way home cheapo sells red dot. Lowes sells Cooper and some other brand

ELumin8
05-10-2010, 12:45 PM
My E.D. has served me well but they are becoming complacent in their pricing.

Landscape Lighting World is one whom I will check out too. (Thanks for the heads up David)

Has anyone dealt with California Landscape Lighting, or Lite-scape.com and had any issues. I prefer to deal West Coast so I am now talking to these two specialty houses as my BK/Kim/Lumiere source.

The Lighting Geek
05-10-2010, 02:25 PM
I would recommend Landscape Lighting World as well, top notch all around.

ELumin8
05-13-2010, 04:38 PM
Just a follow up note, I talked to Jaret @ Lite-scape.com and Clay @ California Landscape Lighting today...

The post worthy note is their pricing while within pennies of each other was dramatically less than what I have ever paid from my local ED or Irri supplier. I compared BK Lighting, and Lumiere(cooper). Both said they will ship anywhere in North America, food for thought for those of you working the spec or higher price points.
Cheers.

Pro-Scapes
05-16-2010, 11:14 PM
I have 2 ewing irrigation suppliers that do low voltage and they mostly stock FX and thier store brand, and I also have a keeling ( a few in the south ) that does mostly nightscaping products. I would say that the managers of the stores of very knowledgeable about LV and irrigation, but the folks that run the counter are less so.

I have several electric suppliers, and they are helpful when I am subbing out stuff to a master electrician and know 120v, but are clueless at LV.

I have no problem buying GFCI's or red dot bubble covers at Lowes. I also order/ buy my king connectors there by the case. I am buying lighting for my new shop there, and the guy knew his stuff about t5, t8 verses t12 fluorescents, and knew the lumens per watt stuff. but I've never asked those guys about LV.

Online you can't beat Alan G over at Landscape Lighting World, for knowledge and product info, and he's a sponsor here. I buy from other folks online, but he's probably one of the smartest guys on the phone. I have no one I buy from except him who can quote photometrics, light diameters of different paths, and LED color temps with lumens per watt off the top of thier head. He "gets" this business.

Your Keeling still has NS ? I have one about 25 min from my house than has gone to only Kichler and FX. I dont buy much at all there. They can be pretty competive on wire when you buy by the pallet (I have bought 2 pallets this spring from them) I could probably be more competitve with the pricing I get from them if I was buying fixtures and transformers there but I am unwilling at this point in time to trade in the Gambino gear I am using for other stuff for some reason. My electrical house is great for conduit, J boxes, tape and other misc supplies but clueless and no where near competitve on things like LV fixtures, transformers or even lamps even if I buy several hundred at a time for MR16's