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A1Lawns
05-12-2010, 01:58 AM
Ok guys...tell me why this is rediculous...

http://www.cubcadet.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/gallery_10051_14101_60464_33803_600002_-1_

fiveoboy01
05-12-2010, 03:13 AM
How about you tell US why it's rediculous? Obviously you have a problem with the way the machine works and/or is designed.

KrayzKajun
05-12-2010, 04:20 AM
i think it looks like fun!
havent figured out why it is ridiculous!!!

Nosmo
05-12-2010, 05:07 AM
Thomas Edison probably sat up many nights using a kerosene lamp trying to invent the lightbulb. Ridiculous by your standards too I'll bet.

Nosmo

lawn king
05-12-2010, 07:16 AM
This steering system can free up one hand and will most likely lead to smoother turning (less ztr scuff).

LwnmwrMan22
05-12-2010, 08:04 AM
This steering system can free up one hand and will most likely lead to smoother turning (less ztr scuff).

Plus, if you tilt the seat back, you can go "bumpin' " across the yard with your hat sideways. :D

Actually, we sat on one at the Green Expo here in MN last year.

I'd be interested in trying one out, just to see how it works, but I don't have a dealer anywhere near me.

gunner19
05-12-2010, 08:17 AM
I thought they looked cool when I read about this a year or so ago.
Not ridiculous to me.

M.A.Landscaping
05-12-2010, 08:46 AM
i dont think there ridiculous at all, i think its really cool

MOHUSTLER
05-12-2010, 08:54 AM
I think its great, Good to see a company going outside of the norm. Mowers are going to start running togather and all be the same soon. Every company needs to explore options outside of 2 leavers.

All_Toro_4ME
05-12-2010, 09:17 AM
Looked pretty cool to me. I was just impressed with the fact that it's capable of mowing 7.5 acres/hr. That's really good!!

BCPHOTO
05-12-2010, 09:21 AM
The ridiculous part is that it will probably track across a slope without winding up at the bottom of a ditch or in a pond.

JB1
05-12-2010, 09:24 AM
Looked pretty cool to me. I was just impressed with the fact that it's capable of mowing 7.5 acres/hr. That's really good!!



that line is sure to attract some suckers. The 7.5 acres/ hour.

LewisLawn
05-12-2010, 09:28 AM
I saw one in use earlier this week, although it was not the commercial model, I believe it was the residential model, it looked to be at least a 52" cut. I was impressed with the quality of cut that it was doing. This was in extremely wet condition too. The commercial unit is a little out of my price range, but I would consider the residential unit if I had to pick something for use at my home only, priced at around 3 grand I think it would be a wise investment.

TLS
05-12-2010, 09:43 AM
I think it's a great idea.

We don't have any commercial Cub Cadet dealers around. Would love to try one.

Would love to see how it works with the wheel. Specifically how wheel position transfers to the hydro pump control valves.

LwnmwrMan22
05-12-2010, 09:56 AM
Turfco came out with a fert / spray unit with a wheel steer as well a couple years ago. You could drop down a couple of forums or do a search. I'm sure it's the same steering setup.
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Darryl G
05-12-2010, 09:59 AM
I like being able to control each rear wheel individually myself but I'd have to try one to make my own judgement on whether or not it's for me. Not ridiculous IMHO.

That would be the perfect mower for someone like my Aunt/Uncle who have 4 landscaped acres. My uncle prefers a walk behind but he's almost 81 now and arthritic so was having trouble with the hand controls. He was considering a stick operated zero turn but then my aunt wouldn't be able to operate it because she has a partially disabled arm from WWII. So they settled on a lawn tractor...something like the wheel operated tank would have been perfect for them (except no way they'd shell out that much cash, lol).

Runner
05-12-2010, 10:02 AM
They can put all this time into design and engineering of this steering unit, but still can't come up with a deck assembly setup that doesn't wear out and fall apart long before the life of the mower.

TLS
05-12-2010, 10:06 AM
They can put all this time into design and engineering of this steering unit, but still can't come up with a deck assembly setup that doesn't wear out and fall apart long before the life of the mower.

Is that Cub Cadet, or commercial ZTR's in general?

milkie62
05-12-2010, 10:56 AM
I think 7.5 acres is a little far fetched myself.Steering wheel looks cool though.

SangerLawn
05-12-2010, 12:02 PM
Looked pretty cool to me. I was just impressed with the fact that it's capable of mowing 7.5 acres/hr. That's really good!!

We have the normally 60 inch tank. It is true, they can mow and acre in around 7 minutes. I tried it when I first bought the mower. Although it can do it and the lawn Is cut and striped really well…….my back hurt for a month because of bouncing all over the place…..

With that said, we owned a butt load of mowers over the years and so far, the tank has done just as good or better then any other mower we used.

Runner
05-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Is that Cub Cadet, or commercial ZTR's in general?
That's the Cub Cadet Commercials.

Accident
05-12-2010, 02:32 PM
i'm assuming this has an air-bag

fiveoboy01
05-12-2010, 03:48 PM
There is a dealer 2 minutes from my office. I should see if I can get a demo for a day:)

lawn king
05-12-2010, 04:19 PM
Cub cadet commercial line is quality equipment, i just purchased their XP ride on spreader/sprayer. Its a well thought out, high quality machine!

AllSeasonServices
05-12-2010, 05:03 PM
If im not mistaken, like 15 years ago Exmark had a walker GHS style mower. I forget what it was called but im positive it had the steering wheel controls. I guess it just dident catch on that time.

AOD
05-12-2010, 05:39 PM
That thing looks awesome! The hill mowing capabilities look cool to me, some of the municipal crews here might be interested in demoing one, although there's no local CC commercial dealer. I've dumped mu share of ZTR's to the bottom of a steep hill, it makes you look and feel like a tool when you gotta get a 4x4 truck to drag you out of a swamp or rain garden.

Also, I want one!

TLS
05-12-2010, 06:28 PM
Anybody else get an email from Cub Cadet Commercial sent to the email address that lawnsite uses? Coincidence ???

flatlander42
05-12-2010, 06:48 PM
no email here...

TLS
05-12-2010, 06:54 PM
no email here...

Of course not, it's your first post on this thread. Let us know if you do get one though.

flatlander42
05-12-2010, 06:59 PM
you bet....I'll make a big stink about it too! if/when I get one

also...their site won't work for me...But I do know what mower you guys are talking about. I saw one when I was buying my walker in Rogersville MO. It looked like a Cool Mower.

TLS
05-12-2010, 07:02 PM
It's a Mooserivermedia marketing email.

I don't mind it. Just intrigued by how it works.

M.A.Landscaping
05-12-2010, 07:06 PM
i think the guy that made this treads plan kind of backfired a little, he thought it looked ridiculous and no one else seems to think so (including me) that machine looks awesome, ive watched videos on youtube of it and i want to try one out

Mickhippy
05-12-2010, 07:34 PM
Heres a good vid about it. Humour as well! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shw6xiLFWbk

I bet Gizmow wished they had such a good response.

tigerfan88
05-12-2010, 07:45 PM
i've demo'd one and it is awesome on hillsides! it's the next one i buy!

fiveoboy01
05-12-2010, 08:21 PM
One thing that bothers me is that it seems pretty darn tough to exit the machine in one direction in an emergency.

A1Lawns
05-12-2010, 10:47 PM
When I posted this thread I didnt see how it could be a zero turn with a steering wheel! That is why I said what I did about it. Nopw that I see it IS in fact a zero turn I take it back. I actually like the steering wheel.
Since I have yet to use a ride on the next question would be which is easier to use for steering and turning, a "normal" z turn, or this steering wheel one? Which is easier on the arms?

GravelyGuy
05-12-2010, 11:01 PM
It still has castors on the front. What makes it so much better on hills?

flatlander42
05-12-2010, 11:15 PM
It still has castors on the front. What makes it so much better on hills?

I think they are attached with a tie-rod. And move with the steering wheel. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I thought.

flatlander42
05-12-2010, 11:16 PM
ooops....double post

milkie62
05-12-2010, 11:36 PM
I got the cub e-mail.Boy what a coincidence

AOD
05-12-2010, 11:43 PM
I think the big thing with the hills is because the front casters don't free spin, it won't keep wanting to slide sideways down a hill like most Z's would, how you have to always play with the sticks to compensate for this, and sometimes it just won't hold a hill.

As far as ease of steering, I'd imagine it's every bit as easy as a small car with power steering, probably one finger.

unkownfl
05-12-2010, 11:44 PM
I think the big thing with the hills is because the front casters don't free spin, it won't keep wanting to slide sideways down a hill like most Z's would, how you have to always play with the sticks to compensate for this, and sometimes it just won't hold a hill.

As far as ease of steering, I'd imagine it's every bit as easy as a small car with power steering, probably one finger.

Seems like it would have issues in soft areas with the front wheels steering.

AOD
05-12-2010, 11:51 PM
Seems like it would have issues in soft areas with the front wheels steering.

I believe it's all wheel steer, front wheel tie rod steering and rear wheel steering with wheel motors like most Z's have. I'd think the front wheels are bigger than normal Z casters and therefore would do better in wet conditions.

Lawn by Deere
05-12-2010, 11:53 PM
I like it!

unkownfl
05-12-2010, 11:54 PM
I understand it being tied together, but with the traditional hydro steering the caster wheels take the path of lease resistances thus not creating ruts turning in sand, mulch etc. I do believe this mower will shine on almost all properties though and everything is going to have some flaw.

Grass Shark
05-13-2010, 12:02 AM
Plus, if you tilt the seat back, you can go "bumpin' " across the yard with your hat sideways. :D

Actually, we sat on one at the Green Expo here in MN last year.

I'd be interested in trying one out, just to see how it works, but I don't have a dealer anywhere near me.

Ha Ha Ha.... I could smoke a cigarette, drink my coffee and go on lawnsite.com on my palm while I mow my customers lawn.

AOD
05-13-2010, 12:09 AM
Maybe if I traded in all of my pieces of crap, I could afford one.

*dislikes the idea of living on a mower, no matter how awesome*

*hides*

Differential
05-13-2010, 12:12 AM
I think the name is ghey, but it seems like a cool machine. Props to cub for being innovative.

joeco129
05-13-2010, 12:31 AM
I was on CC website and did not see a residential version. Is it also called the Tank S? I only saw the commercial with 48", 54", 60" or 72" decks... Also impressive is the 3 available Kawi V-Twin motors... 31hp and 37hp. The website also showed a 31.2hp but is that a typo???

Anyone know prices for them? Comm. or residential models? Impressive machine!

http://www.cubcadet.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/gallery_10051_14101_60464_60464_600002_-1_image

joeco129
05-13-2010, 12:35 AM
Sorry guys found the resi models... Called Z Force... 60" with 26 kawi for roughly $4999.00

AllSeasonServices
05-13-2010, 12:39 AM
Ha Ha Ha.... I could smoke a cigarette, drink my coffee and go on lawnsite.com on my palm while I mow my customers lawn.

Great its not bad enough we have to deal with this on the road between our sites now people are going to be outside relaxing in there yard when GGGGGGGGGRAAAAAAAT!
Thats a bad day:laugh:

TLS
05-13-2010, 07:30 AM
The website also showed a 31.2hp but is that a typo???



No, thats the Yanmar Diesel.

joeco129
05-13-2010, 10:00 AM
No, thats the Yanmar Diesel.

Nice! Go Diesel!!

A1Lawns
05-13-2010, 10:16 PM
How much is this thing anyways? Can't find the info.

joeco129
05-14-2010, 08:23 AM
How much is this thing anyways? Can't find the info.

All I could find was this listing with an actual price. Starts at $13999.00 Not cheap. Resi models are at about $5K to start.

Look at the botton of the link.http://wellingtonimplement.com/equipment/cubcommercial/

LwnmwrMan22
05-14-2010, 08:33 AM
That would be retail though.

It would depend on the dealer and how much they want to get their product into the market.

demhustler
05-17-2010, 12:57 AM
residential retail - home depot
http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-Outdoor-Power-Equipment-Lawn-Mowers-Riding-Mowers/Cub-Cadet/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xgyZbqxfZeb/R-202041240/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Cub Cadet
48 In. 22 HP Kawasaki Dual Hydrostatic Z Force S RZT
Model 17AI5BHB056
$3,999.00

idea seems sound, question only - would it hold?
though whole idea of ztr design as it today - simplicity, nimble maneuverability( what else can be easier to operate - lever forward-wheel forward; same backward)
today's ztr built for ease of maneuvering in tight spots - to write figure 8 (eight) with front wheels takes slight move of levers in ztr, compare to several 360 degree turns of steering wheel on rzt (ztr+steering)

on plus side - stability on hills and on mud;
since no caster wheels - possibility to apply proven suspension components , brakes, front wheel drive


integrated zero radius steering (what's inside): ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mcPjQbniQ&feature=related
cc link - http://www.cubcadet.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category2_10051_14101_16200_60464_600000_-1_image

TLS
05-17-2010, 07:07 AM
The video I saw of the commercial one looked to be like 1 turn lock to lock, not several 360 degree turns of the wheel.

demhustler
05-17-2010, 10:01 PM
The video I saw of the commercial one looked to be like 1 turn lock to lock, not several 360 degree turns of the wheel.

residential in Homedepot - more than 360 from straight to lock (twice as that from lock to lock)
though if in professional - powersteering, they can put any ratio or steer via levers, for that matter

khutch
05-18-2010, 05:40 PM
I get called to do consumer testing every once in a while, chewing gum, cars, French doors, etc. 'Bout 4 years ago it was push mowers. Cub Cadet was trial testing a consumer hydro that had some weird features I can't remember all what they were - One was you turned the deck for to discharge or bag, can't really remember....The design was however, outside the box...They had a Toro Personal Pace (which I own & like) and like a Craftsman to compare it to.
Cub reps were putting on the show and they played theirs up and dissed the others.....Everyone but me thought the Cub was AWESOME!!! Ha - It never made it to market! If I remember, it was pretty $$$$, like $700 or so. I told the guy, for that I could buy 2 Toro's and have enough money left over for a great night at the strip club. - Blank stare........

PROCUTS LAWNCARE
05-18-2010, 06:36 PM
60 inch 31hp KAWI is about 13,000 here at my local dealer. For 4 grand less I will stick to the levers!

Mario

weve
05-18-2010, 10:24 PM
I demoed the 60 in with 31hp KW last summer on one of my commercial jobs. I mowed with it for 1.3 hours. The account has a berm built up across the front of the property with a lot of clover and dandelions on the one side. I mowed across the side of the berm and the Tank S held very well with no slipping of the tires.
The deck cut quite clean and dispersed the clippings well.

I never was fully comfortable with the steering as to how far to turn the steering wheel to make the rear pivot wheel reverse spin. More often it just stopped as the outer wheel turned. I think this can be adjusted and more time in the seat would also help.

My former Dixie dealer sells these so I keep looking but haven't bought yet.