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Butch2010
06-02-2010, 06:43 PM
we are looking at a Bad Boy 6000 Pup with the 30hp Kohler 60" cut. Anyone able to share any first had use of this machine? Never owned a Bad Boy and really didn't even know they existed! We've did a search and read about them but would like to hear from those that have it and use it! How are they on a hill, power and so on.
Thanks for any info anyone can share.
Butch

MS_SURVEYOR
06-02-2010, 08:58 PM
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YEA! I LOVE MY 30 hp 52 inch Pup! What can I say. The Kohler runs very good. I'm just about to hit the 50 hour mark. Time for my second oil and filter change. Also the hydro filters and oil. The Kohler is cold nature being I have to choke it just about every time I start it. But it starts and runs strong. In fact it seems to be running better as I get closer to the 50 hour mark. I haven't checked this year, but last year it burned 1.4 gallons an hour. Seems to be getter gas usage this season. I figure it's getting broken in. I've made some adjustments to the hydro levers. It had a longer throw stock. I've moved the levers to a shorter quicker motion. The mower was hard on turf until I found out you can't make a zero turn. The pivot wheel will tare the turf. Seems like all ztr's will do this. A 3 point turn stopped that. I have the 52 inch deck. It's mowing much better than the pictures because I've put higher lift blades on it, and have found the correct deck pitch. The next blades I'm going to are 3 inch wide high lift blades. I mow Bahia Grass. I need to get that grass up and out the discharge a long ways. I want the clippings spread out. I haven't been home to mow for 2 weeks. So I'll give the Pup a good workout this weekend. I plan to take some pictures before and after. The grass should be about 6 inches high or more. The Bad Boy company has been great to deal with. If I need advice, tech support, warranty ( rubber discharge chute, and hour meter) issues, or parts, I get prompt responses and delivery. If I were to get another Pup it would be a 60 inch deck being pushed by the 31 hp big block Kawasaki. It was my first choice, but my wife and dealer worked me out of it. And at $1,000 cheaper out the door with the Kohler, I'm happy. But the 31 hp big block Kawasaki is stronger. I find the ride is good. My property is rough buddy. A LawnSite buddy turned me on to 8 psi in the tires. The seat is the stock one. It does well. My butt, back, and teeth seem to do ok. A suspension seat would be real nice. It's cheaper to get one new if the dealer will take the stock seat new during the sale as a trade in.

Good Luck, I've got to go!

:drinkup:

Oh! Better grass = a better looking lawn.

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my mother in laws lawn with the Pup.

astrohip
06-03-2010, 12:02 PM
I have a Bad Boy Lightning Z 31HP Kawa 52". Absolutely love it. Had it about a year. I mow some acreage around our ranch--not the pastures, I hay them--but the areas around the house, along the road, the horse pastures, etc. The areas I want to look nice.

It's rough stuff, often 4-6" high by the time I get around to cutting it. The BB mows it really well. Lots of power (that's why I wanted the Kawa). I really give this mower hell, rough bumps, tall grass, high speed... and it just keeps on ticking.

This past weekend I mowed an area I haven't in a year. It was about 2' tall grass. It took 2-3 passes to get it smooth, but it handled it amazingly easily.

One note: If your land is smooth, skip this note. But if like me, your land is not as smooth as it should be, consider a unit with suspension. Some of my acreage is rougher than it should, due to years of being mowed by a tractor, water erosion, and other abuse. I originally bought a PUP, but found I was getting beat up by mowing. The dealer agreed to a trade-in, and I upgraded to a Lightning Z, which has a suspension and a sprung seat. WORLD of difference.

Good luck, you'll be happy with a Bad Boy.

lukem
06-03-2010, 01:09 PM
I have a Pup 6000 except with the 31HP Kawi. It is a great mower. Cut quality is good...not excellent...but good enough for 90% of the folks out there. Have about 30 hours on it now and couldn't be happier.

Can't comment on hills too much because I mow 100% flat areas. I did mow my BILs yard once and it has a steep hill and didn't feel too bad.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-03-2010, 05:50 PM
I have a Pup 6000 except with the 31HP Kawi. It is a great mower. Cut quality is good...not excellent...but good enough for 90% of the folks out there. Have about 30 hours on it now and couldn't be happier.

Can't comment on hills too much because I mow 100% flat areas. I did mow my BILs yard once and it has a steep hill and didn't feel too bad.

Nice mower!:drinkup:

Are you still running the stock blades? They're good blades, but are very thick at 1/4 inch. And they just don't have the lift I needed. I got some high lift blades for a 52 inch Emark. Then I corrected the pitch of the deck to 1/4 inch lower in the front than the rear. That made a world of difference for me. I plan on getting some Scag super high lift blades. They are 16 inches long, 3 inches wide, and .204 inches thick. Where as the stock blades were 2.5 inches wide, and .25 inches thick. All of these blades are Fusion Blades by OREGON.

Here's a post from last year,

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=287952&highlight=badboy+blades

MS_SURVEYOR
06-03-2010, 07:04 PM
One more thing lukem. I talked to a Kohler engineer and he informed me that Kohler sets the 30 hp Command at 3750 rpm WTO, no load. That helped a lot too. Right now my rpms are at 3590. I need to adjust that back to 3750. I feel 150 rpms will give that much more in blade tip speed. I think I'm going to go do that now. If the rain holds off?

lukem
06-03-2010, 07:23 PM
Stock blades. 1/4" pitch. 3600 no load RPM (that's what I've read for the Kawi).

Don't get me wrong...it cuts real nice...but I have seen better on other mowers...could be that my "grass" sucks too.

I'm content with the cut but may try some new blades in 5 or 10 years when my stockers wear out. Thanks for the tip though.

Not to try to scare off the OP from Bad Boy...I would recommend it to anyone...

dwost
06-07-2010, 10:29 PM
I've had my 60" Lightning for a little over a year as well and absolutely love it. I'd also suggest going with the Lightning if you have bumpy turf or at least order the Pup with the suspension seat. there is a night and day difference in ride between the two. I demoed them both and the Lightning wins hands down on comfort. You will be very satisfied with whichever model you choose.

Lukem, try running doubles by sticking a set of low-lift gators (Silver Streaks) on top of your stock hi-lifts. I think you will notice an increase in cut quality. I've found this combination to work quite well. I did a comparison last year on different blade setups and this has worked out very well.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-08-2010, 12:24 AM
What a treat! dwost is in the house. I've always enjoyed your post and pictures! You have that Lighting dialed in. Could you share some pictures of your mows, and setup? That would really be nice!

I had a chance to mow some junk today. I've been working out of town, so It's been a month or more since I mowed some of these areas. Pure junk at about a foot tall. Like they say, If It Looks Like Crap Before I Mow, It'll Look Like Crap Whe I'm Finished! Well it's a lot better! Still not pretty! It would help if there was grass there. But I'm not going to get snake bite without seeing it. I move on to the 2 foot tall stuff tomorrow. I must say my Pup is getting with it this year. The 30 hp Kohler is getting in to it's own. Since I set the max rpm at 3750 no load, meaning blades not engaged, it a totally different engine. Kohler recommendation via Kohler engineer. I'll turn 50 hours by the end of the week. A suspension seat sure would be nice! I'm going to get one just as soon as I can! For now I just run low psi in the tires!

ms

eatonpcat
06-08-2010, 12:40 PM
What a treat! dwost is in the house. I've always enjoyed your post and pictures! You have that Lighting dialed in. Could you share some pictures of your mows, and setup? That would really be nice!

I had a chance to mow some junk today. I've been working out of town, so It's been a month or more since I mowed some of these areas. Pure junk at about a foot tall. Like they say, If It Looks Like Crap Before I Mow, It'll Look Like Crap Whe I'm Finished! Well it's a lot better! Still not pretty! It would help if there was grass there. But I'm not going to get snake bite without seeing it. I move on to the 2 foot tall stuff tomorrow. I must say my Pup is getting with it this year. The 30 hp Kohler is getting in to it's own. Since I set the max rpm at 3750 no load, meaning blades not engaged, it a totally different engine. Kohler recommendation via Kohler engineer. I'll turn 50 hours by the end of the week. A suspension seat sure would be nice! I'm going to get one just as soon as I can! For now I just run low psi in the tires!

ms


DWost does stay in the shadows now-a-days... But I have a feeling that since you/we asked, he will produce some pictures and commentary!!:drinkup:

MS_SURVEYOR
06-08-2010, 04:36 PM
DWost does stay in the shadows now-a-days... But I have a feeling that since you/we asked, he will produce some pictures and commentary!!:drinkup:


That would be so cool!

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dwost
06-08-2010, 09:37 PM
I'm here boys and active as ever! You guys must not be reading any other posts! :) I'll try to pull some pics together as of late. Just got back from vaca so will try to snap a few more in the next couple weeks.

My most recent find has been using fluid film on the deck to eliminate the buildup. You can read about that here: http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=316179 That is the one downfall I've found about the deck design is the amount of grass that collects on the underside cutting thick KB. This process completely eliminates that problem.

Here are a couple shots from early may:
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=187669&stc=1&d=1273420965

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=187670&stc=1&d=1273421144

Also some pics and review of my new toy for the season, an Ariens Pro21

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=315702

http://gallery.me.com/dwost/100011/Pro21%20side%20bagged/web.jpg?ver=12729427680001

MS_SURVEYOR
06-09-2010, 11:18 AM
dwost those strips look great! You have the Lighting dialed in for sure. You say you're running double blades? Yea, my deck has a couple of buildup spots. One on the front side at the center blade, and one on the backside of the discharge chute where there's a big radius coming out. But Fluid Film sure does help by not letting grass or dirt stick. Those buildup spots just flake with a putty knife.

What's with the Ariens Pro21?

Thanks,

ms

dwost
06-09-2010, 09:04 PM
Yup, running the stock hi lift on the bottom and the thinner .203 gator silver streaks on top. The combination works great. I tried the Dixie Chopper solid foil 3" wide blades last year and they worked OK but left some stragglers. The double setup that I'm running has been the best performer hands down.

I picked up the 21" for my son. I've got him helping me cut our grass at our office. He's only 9 so figured another Z is our for several more years :)