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pfettig
06-02-2010, 11:27 PM
Hi, I'm going to be buying a new zero turn and I'm torn between the John Deere z425 with the 54" deck and the Ariens Zoom XL 54. They're both $4000 and the boss says that's as high as she'll let me go - not a penny more. The only advantage the Deere seems to have is the separate pumps and wheel motors. The Ariens has a welded deck and frame and kawasaki motor. Does anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-03-2010, 12:01 AM
I don't know anything about Ariens? But I found this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCDyl-cg8Jw

Kind of gives me the urge to get one! :rolleyes:

A must watch video!:drinkup:

Then I found this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn2yIObW4OA&feature=related

pfettig
06-03-2010, 09:18 AM
I saw those last night. I almost wish I hadn't because I was settled on the Deere before I discovered this. The Ariens seems like a real tough machine on the video, but I wonder if other mowers could do the same thing? Thanks for the reply.

biggziff
06-03-2010, 10:02 AM
Some say that the separate wheel motor/pump adds complexity and points of failure. I believe the 425 uses a single pump (Kanzaki) and Parker wheel motors. The problem here is that if any single component fails it can contaminate all the other components as they're all plumbed together. This cannot happen with an integrated pump/wheel motor design. I'm not suggesting that this is a common failure, but it is possible. If you're going to buy Deere...buy the 445. It is a MUCH better machine...personally, I looked at Deere and passed when I compared them to other brands like Scag, Exmark, etc.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-03-2010, 10:50 AM
Some say that the separate wheel motor/pump adds complexity and points of failure. I believe the 425 uses a single pump (Kanzaki) and Parker wheel motors. The problem here is that if any single component fails it can contaminate all the other components as they're all plumbed together. This cannot happen with an integrated pump/wheel motor design. I'm not suggesting that this is a common failure, but it is possible. If you're going to buy Deere...buy the 445. It is a MUCH better machine...personally, I looked at Deere and passed when I compared them to other brands like Scag, Exmark, etc.


The EZtrak Z425

http://www.deere.com/specsapp/CustomerSpecificationServlet

The EZtrak Z445

http://www.deere.com/specsapp/CustomerSpecificationServlet

Looks like the same mower with different engines.

I saw those last night. I almost wish I hadn't because I was settled on the Deere before I discovered this. The Ariens seems like a real tough machine on the video, but I wonder if other mowers could do the same thing? Thanks for the reply.

Great! Nothing wrong with a Deere.

That video blew me away. Then the dude stopped on a big slope and backed up???? WOW! There's no way my Bad Boy Pup could follow that Ariens with that dude operating it. :nono: :nono: I'd be at the bottom of the hill looking up!!!:dizzy: But Hey! What can you say? The video said it all!!! :waving:

mnglocker
06-03-2010, 11:02 AM
The EZtrak Z425

http://www.deere.com/specsapp/CustomerSpecificationServlet

The EZtrak Z445

http://www.deere.com/specsapp/CustomerSpecificationServlet

Looks like the same mower with different engines.



Great! Nothing wrong with a Deere.

That video blew me away. Then the dude stopped on a big slope and backed up???? WOW! There's no way my Bad Boy Pup could follow that Ariens with that dude operating it. :nono: :nono: I'd be at the bottom of the hill looking up!!!:dizzy: But Hey! What can you say? The video said it all!!! :waving:

The z445 has a 4 point deck lift/mounting system. It's far more commercial that it's little brother the 425. Get it with the 54" high capacity deck, then it's stamped out of 9 gauge steel with a reenforced welded edge.

mnglocker
06-03-2010, 11:04 AM
Some say that the separate wheel motor/pump adds complexity and points of failure. I believe the 425 uses a single pump (Kanzaki) and Parker wheel motors. The problem here is that if any single component fails it can contaminate all the other components as they're all plumbed together. This cannot happen with an integrated pump/wheel motor design. I'm not suggesting that this is a common failure, but it is possible. If you're going to buy Deere...buy the 445. It is a MUCH better machine...personally, I looked at Deere and passed when I compared them to other brands like Scag, Exmark, etc.


The Pump is a Kanzaki Dup10. I.e. it's actually two pumps in one housing. There's also a servicable spin on hydro filter, so if something did blow, the filter will catch it.

pfettig
06-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Thanks everyone.
If I could afford a 445 I would have bought one - they are much nicer. I have to cut my top dollar off somewhere or where does it stop. Plus, remember my boss said $4,000. I don't want to cross her.:nono: Perhaps I should mention that there is a '05 dixon ram mag 50 at the deere dealer for $2500. I don't know how many hours it has - the hour meter says like 6 hours or something (can't be right). It has a fabricated deck and kawasaki motor. I don't want to start a brand war, but how does that sound?

biggziff
06-03-2010, 12:41 PM
There have been 2 used 445s for sale here locally in the last month. One was an 09 for $3700 http://syracuse.craigslist.org/grd/1769210143.html

and the other ($3495) is here:

http://binghamton.craigslist.org/grd/1751958327.html

My suggestion is to look at used. You can probably buy a full commercial unit for less than what a new residential unit costs. Just another option for you.

pfettig
06-03-2010, 01:28 PM
I've been looking for used, but the marked seems to have dried up since the mowing season is well under way. Also, the JD financing is real attractive. If I buy used I have to go to the bank and get a loan. I'd like to move quick, my lawn is almost up to my waist.

mnglocker
06-03-2010, 02:35 PM
I've been looking for used, but the marked seems to have dried up since the mowing season is well under way. Also, the JD financing is real attractive. If I buy used I have to go to the bank and get a loan. I'd like to move quick, my lawn is almost up to my waist.

Rent a big ass mower and get it lopped down quick, and save a few more pennies.

As the old saying goes, cry once.