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Zivman
06-04-2010, 02:38 PM
Mowing residental - my own yard- about 1 acre of grass. fairly flat, not alot of obsticals, but still a number of them. I want commercial grade; don't want to buy another mower for 20 yrs. Will add a bag/vac system this fall, so keep that in mind.

here is what I have come across:
2010 Exmark Lazer Z AS - 20 kawa / 52" deck -> $7000
2010 Scag Tiger Cat - 25 Kohler / 52" deck -> $7400
2008 Hustler Mini Z demo - 19 Kawa / 52" deck -> $6500 (sold as new with 9 hrs on it)
2010 Hustler Z4 - 25 Kohler / 54" deck -> $7800

I also have considered Ferris and found the following:
2010 IS1500Z -> 22 Kawa / 52" deck -> $7000
2009 IS1500Z -> 25 Kawa / 52" deck -> $7000

I find my self leaning towards the scag or mini Z. Really looking for the best cut. Doesn't have to be the fastest, just really want the yard to look nice. For the size I am doing, any will be plenty strong enough. I would be fine with 48" deck, but seems around my area, dealers have the 52" on the floor and are giving better pricing on them as a result. Financing offers also are being considered in the purchase.

Would like some input before I throw down the dough....
Thanks

coxslawncare
06-04-2010, 03:17 PM
Scag!!!!!!!!!

Bluffman
06-04-2010, 03:30 PM
I run a scag TC with a 48 deck/19 Kawi. I love mine. I opted to go with a Trac-Vac instead of the Scag clamshell as it is easily used when needed, detatched when not and doesn't rob engine power since it's not "spindle driven". Any of the mowers mentioned are good quality and parts/service in the future should be a consideration as far as dealer support and availability. Take care of any of the mowers you are considering and you should be good to go. Just throwing it out there, is your property fairly flat? At only 1 acre, a 48" will take you around 45 minutes to cut. The 52" will probably cut you down 10 minutes or so as it only takes another 4" of cut. The 48" might give you a better cut though on slopes etc. My own property is 2-1/2 to 2-3/4 acres and I cut mine in around 2 hours (less trimming and push mower areas). I do mine with my 48" and like it's ability to handle tight areas and slopes which I have a lot of. Good luck.

RTR Landscaping
06-04-2010, 05:00 PM
I agree get a Scag. I own 9 and will never have anything else. Simply the best!

TONTAGE
06-04-2010, 05:19 PM
I agree get a Scag. I own 9 and will never have anything else. Simply the best!

SCAG all the way!!! on on my 2nd scag.52" Turf Tiger.awesome machine

Zivman
06-04-2010, 07:29 PM
I agree get a Scag. I own 9 and will never have anything else. Simply the best!

took my brother out to look at them. Very impressed with the hustler mini Z. Compact, VERY easy to maneuver for an inexperienced operator. I have concerns about its power though. the dealer is bringing it by tonight for me to demo.

I went by the scag dealer that gave me the good pricing, but he didn't have the tiger cat setup yet. I drove the wild cat he had out front. pretty decent feel and maneuverability, substantially more machine than the hustler.

In end, if this demo goes well, I will get the hustler... heck, it's 900 bucks cheaper and if I am happy with the cut, I think it's a win win. If I feel it is lacking, I won't hesitate to spend the money and will be getting the scag.

twcw5804
06-04-2010, 07:38 PM
I agree Scag. I would want to know though if there is an exmark 52 with a engine like the Scag for same money.

TriCityLawnCareLLC
06-04-2010, 07:47 PM
have you looked into kubota. I have a kubota ZG222 with a 48 in pro deck and this machine is built like a rock. $7400 out the door. shaft drivin, only has one belt. i love my machine.

BINKY1902
06-04-2010, 09:51 PM
Yeah I put about 50 hrs on that same model Kubota when I was filling in for a guy and they make an excellent mower. Very low maintenance mowers, the groundskeeper had put 735 hrs on it in two years and nothing done to it but changing the oil and sharpening blades.

Zivman
06-04-2010, 10:47 PM
demo went well. Impressed with the cut. Had 4 different 'mower' guys over to try it and all really liked it. I just don't see spending any more money than I need to. I am getting a commercial grade mower, good warranty and I have 0% for 36 on this mower. I really can't see how I can go wrong. Not to mention some say the bagging setup for the hustlers are the best..... ??? I think I am comfortable with its power after using it.

I have no doubt scag and kubota are awesome, but like I said, I don't see the need to spend the extra money.

BleedingGreen
06-04-2010, 11:30 PM
Zivman, where are you located?

Zivman
06-04-2010, 11:57 PM
MN -> twin cities area

BleedingGreen
06-05-2010, 12:26 AM
I'd probably go with either the scag or the exmark.

Zivman
06-05-2010, 09:13 PM
talked to some other people and have been advised against getting a 52" with such a small motor and based on the feedback here, I am going to keep looking.

What about a Hustler Z with a 25 kai / 60" deck for around 7300? or is the scag tiger cat 25 kohler /52" deck for 7400 still better?

BleedingGreen
06-05-2010, 09:21 PM
talked to some other people and have been advised against getting a 52" with such a small motor and based on the feedback here, I am going to keep looking.

What about a Hustler Z with a 25 kai / 60" deck for around 7300? or is the scag tiger cat 25 kohler /52" deck for 7400 still better?

That would be my only complaint/concern with the exmark. I like to see at least a 23hp pushing a 52" deck on a ztr. Could you still do it? yeah. I wouldn't run doubles or a power vac catcher, but it would be ok otherwise.

That's why I'd go for the scag over the exmark.

Zivman
06-05-2010, 09:25 PM
I agree Scag. I would want to know though if there is an exmark 52 with a engine like the Scag for same money.

to get into a 25 hp exmark on a 52", I was quoted 8799!

Zivman
06-05-2010, 09:27 PM
I run a scag TC with a 48 deck/19 Kawi. I love mine. I opted to go with a Trac-Vac instead of the Scag clamshell as it is easily used when needed, detatched when not and doesn't rob engine power since it's not "spindle driven". Any of the mowers mentioned are good quality and parts/service in the future should be a consideration as far as dealer support and availability. Take care of any of the mowers you are considering and you should be good to go. Just throwing it out there, is your property fairly flat? At only 1 acre, a 48" will take you around 45 minutes to cut. The 52" will probably cut you down 10 minutes or so as it only takes another 4" of cut. The 48" might give you a better cut though on slopes etc. My own property is 2-1/2 to 2-3/4 acres and I cut mine in around 2 hours (less trimming and push mower areas). I do mine with my 48" and like it's ability to handle tight areas and slopes which I have a lot of. Good luck.

the yard is fairly flat. Based on the demo, at full speed on the 52", it wouldn't take more than 25 minutes to cut. The largest part of the yard is pretty open and can be cut pretty fast.

I am not against a 48", heck would like it, but dealers are giving the best pricing on setups they stock. And they stock 52"-60"

Oakleaf landscape
06-05-2010, 09:48 PM
Funny I was mowing one of my clients yards last week and he came up to me asking about what's a good commercial mower. He listed me all of those mowers and I told him to go with the scag or the exmark. I couldn't swing him on the Wright ZK I was on. Today while I was out there at the same acount he drives over to me in his new scag. You wouldn't happen to live in Ridgewood?

Zivman
06-05-2010, 09:49 PM
Cottage Grove, MN

Zivman
06-06-2010, 08:50 AM
That would be my only complaint/concern with the exmark. I like to see at least a 23hp pushing a 52" deck on a ztr. Could you still do it? yeah. I wouldn't run doubles or a power vac catcher, but it would be ok otherwise.

That's why I'd go for the scag over the exmark.

the 23/52 number has been thrown around quite a bit...

ewemule
06-06-2010, 10:14 AM
19 horse on a 52" either. I have been looking hard at the Trimstar 23/54. Was looking at the Fastrack Super Duty with the 25/60 for similar price, but it's "residential" as far as I can tell.
I want full commercial too. Second choice in my area would be Gravely
Marty

Zivman
06-08-2010, 10:14 AM
think I found my mower... it's a 09 scag tiger cub -> 25 hp kohler 52" deck for 6999. I know the price is not what others are able to get, but around here it seems decent. In comparison I could get a 10 tiger cat with the same setup for 7400...

Zivman
06-08-2010, 10:15 PM
Got my mower today....
Scag Tiger Cub
25 hp Kohler
52" deck

Glad I looked past the hustler. It was a decent machine, but the scag is noticably better. The velocity deck and the extra 6 hp are well worth the extra 400 bucks it ran me. Dealer was pretty cool. Laid back and not arrogant like some can be.

thanks for the help......

oh, and the striper kit is on order ;)

BleedingGreen
06-08-2010, 11:35 PM
Awesome I think you'll like it.