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domain311
06-04-2010, 10:05 PM
Anyone know of a good website or place to look for used dump trucks? I'm looking for a F550, super or crew cab, preferably 2007 or newer with around 30k miles or less.

DJJS
06-04-2010, 10:10 PM
Anyone know of a good website or place to look for used dump trucks? I'm looking for a F550, super or crew cab, preferably 2007 or newer with around 30k miles or less.

try commercialtrucktrader.com they've got a ton of stuff on there

Gravel Rat
06-04-2010, 11:26 PM
You will have a tough time finding a 550 super cab with a dump but a crew cab should be a easier find.

MikeKle
06-05-2010, 01:00 AM
There is a truck place in Frankfort, KY that specializes in heavy and medium trucks and trailers too, its called Larry Stigers truck and trailer sales, they always have loads of F450s and 550s and lots of other medium duty trucks, cab and chassis, flatbeds, landscape bodies, etc. I looked there back when I was truck shopping. There prices are very good and worth the drive! A good example is 2003-2005 Ford F450s cab/chassis, mostly all under 70K miles, and they run from about $9K up to $15K for one with more options. Not sure of their website, but I know they do have one. Just type in Larry Stigers truck sales in Google and it should come up. Good luck! They also have lots of International 4300 and 4700 Lo pros and regulars too, these are usually even cheaper than the F450s!

Gravel Rat
06-05-2010, 01:15 AM
One thing to keep in mind there is very little difference between F-450-550 trucks in the 2005-2007 trucks the rear springs are close to the same I'am pretty sure they are the same. The rear axles in the F-450 550 are the exact same rear axle the Ford rates the 550 axle "higher" but it is the same thing. Same brakes-wheels-tires-frame the only thing different is what is says on the door tag.

MikeKle
06-05-2010, 10:11 AM
One thing to keep in mind there is very little difference between F-450-550 trucks in the 2005-2007 trucks the rear springs are close to the same I'am pretty sure they are the same. The rear axles in the F-450 550 are the exact same rear axle the Ford rates the 550 axle "higher" but it is the same thing. Same brakes-wheels-tires-frame the only thing different is what is says on the door tag.

Then why are 550s much more pricey than 450s in many cases? IF what you say is true, that is illegal what Ford is doing, by charging more for a F550. I always heard the 550 has more or heavier springs and a bigger rear axle or bigger gears in it. So what size front axle is in the 4wd models then? Are they actually 1.5 ton or are they really 1 ton? I cant figure why they would even offer a 1.5 ton when it is a 1.25 ton??? greed I guess? You would figure all those people that buy them at least want to see the difference in a 550 over a 450 to justify the extra cost, but I guess people dont care?

Duffster
06-05-2010, 05:32 PM
Then why are 550s much more pricey than 450s in many cases? IF what you say is true, that is illegal what Ford is doing, by charging more for a F550. I always heard the 550 has more or heavier springs and a bigger rear axle or bigger gears in it. So what size front axle is in the 4wd models then? Are they actually 1.5 ton or are they really 1 ton? I cant figure why they would even offer a 1.5 ton when it is a 1.25 ton??? greed I guess? You would figure all those people that buy them at least want to see the difference in a 550 over a 450 to justify the extra cost, but I guess people dont care?

How is it illegal?

domain311
06-05-2010, 06:08 PM
How is it illegal?

Well I would guess that if they are saying the 550 can hold more weight than the 450, then that would be misrepresentation or false stats if it weren't true-hence, illegal in my opinion.

domain311
06-05-2010, 06:09 PM
And thank you all who provided info so far!

Gravel Rat
06-05-2010, 09:47 PM
There used to be a difference between the 99 to 2004 F-450-550 trucks. The F-550s in the 99-04 used a Dana 135 rear axle which is a little overkill for a truck that size. The 99 to 01 F-450s used a Dana 80 it is lighter than the current Dana S110 that is used in the 02 to current F-450s.

The Dana S110 is also used in the 05 and current F-550s the exact same axle as a 03 to current F-450 just with a different axle rating given by Ford.

The rear springs in a 05 and current F-450 are close to the same as a 17,500lb gvw F-550 and probably the same as the 19,000lb gvw 550.

Front axle ratings on some F-550s is 7000lbs most are 6000lbs same as a F-450.

The F-450/550 shares the same brakes etc so in actuality your not gaining too much buying a 05 to current over a F-450 in the same year range.

A 19,000lb gvw F-550 has a frame insert on some wheelbase trucks.

I did some parts number searching looking up spec's etc to really see if a F-550 was worth buying as you know the dealer wants more money for a used F-550. If you need "legal" gvw then you have no choice but to buy a F-550 because you need what is says on the door post sticker.

I grossed my 06 F-450 to 20,707lbs with a load of gravel on it 3 weeks ago the truck had lots more suspension left. The truck is a stock no extra springs F-450 and I had a F-550 load on it.

So there is very little to no difference in spring capacity between a 450/550, I wouldn't be panicking about trying to find a F-550 if your not grossing the truck to 19,000lbs every day.

I do own a 2003 F-450 and it does have lighter rear suspension compared to the 2006 F-450.

domain311
06-05-2010, 10:08 PM
There used to be a difference between the 99 to 2004 F-450-550 trucks. The F-550s in the 99-04 used a Dana 135 rear axle which is a little overkill for a truck that size. The 99 to 01 F-450s used a Dana 80 it is lighter than the current Dana S110 that is used in the 02 to current F-450s.

The Dana S110 is also used in the 05 and current F-550s the exact same axle as a 03 to current F-450 just with a different axle rating given by Ford.

The rear springs in a 05 and current F-450 are close to the same as a 17,500lb gvw F-550 and probably the same as the 19,000lb gvw 550.

Front axle ratings on some F-550s is 7000lbs most are 6000lbs same as a F-450.

The F-450/550 shares the same brakes etc so in actuality your not gaining too much buying a 05 to current over a F-450 in the same year range.

A 19,000lb gvw F-550 has a frame insert on some wheelbase trucks.

I did some parts number searching looking up spec's etc to really see if a F-550 was worth buying as you know the dealer wants more money for a used F-550. If you need "legal" gvw then you have no choice but to buy a F-550 because you need what is says on the door post sticker.

I grossed my 06 F-450 to 20,707lbs with a load of gravel on it 3 weeks ago the truck had lots more suspension left. The truck is a stock no extra springs F-450 and I had a F-550 load on it.

So there is very little to no difference in spring capacity between a 450/550, I wouldn't be panicking about trying to find a F-550 if your not grossing the truck to 19,000lbs every day.

I do own a 2003 F-450 and it does have lighter rear suspension compared to the 2006 F-450.

Thanks....good to know. I actually have 2 550s already but would definitely consider a 450 as well-just failed to mention that in my original post. Even a 350 if I found what I wanted...because I can use the other 2 for heavier stuff if necessary.

domain311
06-05-2010, 10:37 PM
http://www.battlefieldford.com/ou/manassas-ford/ This place seems to have a lot and a few I am interested in...tried calling before but think they were closed already.

MikeKle
06-06-2010, 02:07 AM
How is it illegal?

Like it was said below, misrepresenting the truck, people who buy a F550 buy it due to the weight they need to move, if it is basically a 450 with a higher price tag, YES, that is illegal, but Im sure ford has themselves covered if they ever get asked about it. I wonder if the new Dodge 4500/5500 is the same truck with different badging? If I bought one of these and found out I overpaid by $5-7K or more, and got nothing extra for it, I would surely be pissed and wouldnt leave that dealership until they cut me a check for the difference, or threaten to call the police. I bet I would have my check in hand very quickly then!! I cant believe these people that bought these 550s havent figured this out? Thats alot of cash for a truck!!!

J&R Landscaping
06-06-2010, 10:46 PM
I might not be totally correct on this so correct me if I'm wrong but don't many of the 450's come with a 4:30 gears and the 550's normally come with 4:88's. At least it seems that way from the trucks I've looked at locally.

Duffster
06-06-2010, 11:40 PM
Like it was said below, misrepresenting the truck, people who buy a F550 buy it due to the weight they need to move, if it is basically a 450 with a higher price tag, YES, that is illegal, but Im sure ford has themselves covered if they ever get asked about it. I wonder if the new Dodge 4500/5500 is the same truck with different badging? If I bought one of these and found out I overpaid by $5-7K or more, and got nothing extra for it, I would surely be pissed and wouldnt leave that dealership until they cut me a check for the difference, or threaten to call the police. I bet I would have my check in hand very quickly then!! I cant believe these people that bought these 550s havent figured this out? Thats alot of cash for a truck!!!

Who is to say that a 450 isn't a down rated 550. Either way it isn't illegal. It has been done with F250's and SRW F350's.

MikeKle
06-07-2010, 02:21 AM
So it is legal for a truck dealer to sell a F450 for say, $45K, then turn around and sell an F550 with the exact same options, and basically the only difference being the 550 badging, for $55K? They must justify that higher price somehow, but if it is truly the same truck and they are just charging more, then yes, that is illegal! BUt it appears there is currently a few differences in the two models, but the years they didnt have any differences, it could come back to haunt them. I am amazed the guys who bought the 550s didnt at least figure this out?! Then again, if the current models are only separated by different axle gears, and nothing else, then the price would basically be only a few hundred dollars difference. I am going to look into this a bit more and talk to my cop friends and see what they say.

Duffster
06-07-2010, 08:16 AM
So it is legal for a truck dealer to sell a F450 for say, $45K, then turn around and sell an F550 with the exact same options, and basically the only difference being the 550 badging, for $55K? They must justify that higher price somehow, but if it is truly the same truck and they are just charging more, then yes, that is illegal! BUt it appears there is currently a few differences in the two models, but the years they didnt have any differences, it could come back to haunt them. I am amazed the guys who bought the 550s didnt at least figure this out?! Then again, if the current models are only separated by different axle gears, and nothing else, then the price would basically be only a few hundred dollars difference. I am going to look into this a bit more and talk to my cop friends and see what they say.

Ya, I am sure the cops are going to do something about it. :rolleyes:

MikeKle
06-07-2010, 09:25 AM
Ya, I am sure the cops are going to do something about it. :rolleyes:

No, I doubt a regular patrol officer would do anything more than report it to their superior, but this type of crime would go to the FBI fraud or someone else, since it involves such a large number of vehicles and a large company.

Duffster
06-07-2010, 02:11 PM
no, i doubt a regular patrol officer would do anything more than report it to their superior, but this type of crime would go to the fbi fraud or someone else, since it involves such a large number of vehicles and a large company.

It's NOT a crime.

bobs lawn care
06-07-2010, 02:56 PM
So it is legal for a truck dealer to sell a F450 for say, $45K, then turn around and sell an F550 with the exact same options, and basically the only difference being the 550 badging, for $55K? They must justify that higher price somehow, but if it is truly the same truck and they are just charging more, then yes, that is illegal! BUt it appears there is currently a few differences in the two models, but the years they didnt have any differences, it could come back to haunt them. I am amazed the guys who bought the 550s didnt at least figure this out?! Then again, if the current models are only separated by different axle gears, and nothing else, then the price would basically be only a few hundred dollars difference. I am going to look into this a bit more and talk to my cop friends and see what they say.

Your paying for the GVWR

81Bronk36
06-12-2010, 08:59 PM
They have been doing the same thing for 50 years, every Corvette engine in the 60's was "rated" at a certain point for marketing, they wanted to keep some of them out of the hands of 18 year olds. Big deal. If you get pulled over with a 19000lb F-450 your probably gonna get a ticket, so pay the extra $

mow king
06-12-2010, 10:13 PM
No, I doubt a regular patrol officer would do anything more than report it to their superior, but this type of crime would go to the FBI fraud or someone else, since it involves such a large number of vehicles and a large company.

Yeah - What law or statue do you think Ford is breaking? It is certainly not illegal.