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onlythebest
06-06-2010, 06:34 PM
I just picked up a few new customers today and one guy has a 1 acre lot that he rents out. it hasn't been cut at all this year i don't think and is about 2 feet in some areas. he wants it cut every other week after this cut and wants me to trim back some large bushes that are growing into some windows. not sure how to price it out or what to use?? plz any help would be appreciated as I'm 14 and still learning :) thanks!

C & T Landscaping
06-06-2010, 06:49 PM
Rent a tractor with a bush hog. Charge him the rent of the tractor x3 for labor, gas, etc. Thats what I would say.

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 06:55 PM
there are a few small hills on the property is a tractor with a bush hog going to scalp badly if i go over small bumps? also i wanted to keep the expenses as low as possible because he has a lot more work for me and i don't want to scare him off. would my toro proline be able to handle some pretty tall grass (from 1-2feet in some places)?

C & T Landscaping
06-06-2010, 06:59 PM
Im sure it wouldn't scalp. Their pretty big as far as I know. I'm sure your Proline COULD do it but you would spend 5x the amount of time to make 10 passes when the hog could do it in 1 or 2. Not only the time but everything would wear faster. Tell him if he wants it done right let you do it the right way. Bush hog or not.

ajslands
06-06-2010, 06:59 PM
1 acre you say.. I just did half acre a few weeks ago for 400$ so I'd say 800$ and you'll probably use about 62-65 bags. I did mine with an exmark 56", mulched it 3 times and bagged it twice.
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rain man
06-06-2010, 07:03 PM
Get the money up front.

C & T Landscaping
06-06-2010, 07:06 PM
Okay and about the Proline: An acre is 90.75 yards wide or 3267 inches. 3267/32=102.09375 So you are going to make 103 passes. Probably closer to 300-400 to double/triple cut.

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 07:16 PM
so with the bushes up front does 800 sound reasonable? and would this include trimming around everything? and should i buy a bag for my toro or should i bay with my lawnboys?

ajslands
06-06-2010, 07:18 PM
so with the bushes up front does 800 sound reasonable? and would this include trimming around everything? and should i buy a bag for my toro or should i bay with my lawnboys?

O no no no! 800$ just for mowing! Bushes, I'd say 20-30$ per bush.
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ajslands
06-06-2010, 07:19 PM
Okay and about the Proline: An acre is 90.75 yards wide or 3267 inches. 3267/32=102.09375 So you are going to make 103 passes. Probably closer to 300-400 to double/triple cut.

He'll have to cut it 4-5 times
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MnGreen
06-06-2010, 07:48 PM
Whats the talk about "bagging" the mess ? You have to be crazy.
Is this post legite ?

Get Dad to rent a high grass cutter @ your local rental ( Billy Goat Outback etc)
$100 for a day, they do like a acre a hr almost.

Or sub out the cutting down to a manageable height for your next return service.
Negotiate a price with a cutter to where you can pocket a $100 out of the mess.
Someone in that area does that work, get them to do it, and take the liability and chances. :)

Hope your customer doesn't think because your a kid you will beat the he!! out of yourself and mower for $200.

ajslands
06-06-2010, 07:51 PM
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shovelracer
06-06-2010, 08:18 PM
I just picked up a few new customers today and one guy has a 1 acre lot that he rents out. it hasn't been cut at all this year i don't think and is about 2 feet in some areas. he wants it cut every other week after this cut and wants me to trim back some large bushes that are growing into some windows. not sure how to price it out or what to use?? plz any help would be appreciated as I'm 14 and still learning :) thanks!

Dont ever let the promise of more work affect your pricing for now. If he turns out to be a good customer than perhaps give him a deal later.

grassmasterswilson
06-06-2010, 08:34 PM
charge him by the hour. overgrown lots take longer than you think. make him understand that if the grass is 2-3 feet tall that when you finish it probably won't look like it has been cut every week.

I laugh at your prices. I would love to do 5 $800 lawns a week!!!

ajslands
06-06-2010, 08:39 PM
Why would you laugh at the price? I was making 100$ pr hour
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onlythebest
06-06-2010, 08:43 PM
grassmasterswilson so what do you think would be fair for a price and do i have to bag?

rjh4758
06-06-2010, 09:17 PM
$800 US is high, very high in my book.

So you have a Toro Proline if it is a 36" it will take about 1 hour per cut mowing at 3 MPH, which is slow. I would cut at the highest setting twice then drop to the desired height cut twice more. Alternate patterns with each cut. I would trim after the first or second cut so they can get mulched up on the 3rd and 4th pass.

Should be able to do it in 5 hours, so 5 hour X your hourly charge=. For me I would be looking at about $50 an hour so $250 bucks.You could throw an extra hour on there for hiddens but you would still be far from $800. If you have sulky you could go faster on the 3rd and 4th passes and save some time also.

ajslands
06-06-2010, 09:20 PM
5 hours with a proline, ha!!!!!!!! He's lookin at 10 hours, it took me 4 hours to do that half acre lot and I had another guy with me doing the trimming.
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rjh4758
06-06-2010, 09:32 PM
5 hours with a proline, ha!!!!!!!! He's lookin at 10 hours, it took me 4 hours to do that half acre lot and I had another guy with me doing the trimming.
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But I never said to bag it like you did, way to time consuming. How much time did you spend bagging verse cutting?

I would explain to the customer that it will not look nice until after a few cuts.

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 09:36 PM
i dont have a bag for my toro and its a 32" to bag would it be faster to use my lawnboys or rake it and bag by hand?

rjh4758
06-06-2010, 09:47 PM
I would just mulch it up with the Toro figure 1.25-1.5 hours per cut X 4= 6 hours = 1 trimming and unforseens, so 7 hours if you plan to bag it with you lawn boys double it then figure in disposal. I would throw out the options to the homeowner 7 X your hourly rate to mulch it or 14 X your rate to bag it and haul it off. What is your hourly rate?

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 09:49 PM
its me and 2 guys so with gas and all about 50$an hour

FuturePilot4u
06-06-2010, 09:51 PM
i dont have a bag for my toro and its a 32" to bag would it be faster to use my lawnboys or rake it and bag by hand?

you should see the lawn i got to cut, it is 4 ft+ tall

1993lx172
06-06-2010, 09:52 PM
I'd say just mow it first and just discharge it, I would just do circuits discharging into your previous pass instead of stripes so all you aren't having to work the grass twice until you are all done. Getting it knocked down is what is going to take the most time because you are going to have to take it slow.

Then once it's all cut put the chute down and make circuits blowing everything into the middle. At that point you can pick it up with a pitchfork and a rake or use your lawnboys and bag up and factor in your time and labor for picking it up in your estimate.

ajslands
06-06-2010, 09:58 PM
But I never said to bag it like you did, way to time consuming. How much time did you spend bagging verse cutting?

I would explain to the customer that it will not look nice until after a few cuts.

I bagged aftrwards and it was an extra 1.5 hours total for that got about 2 passes done before I had to empty my bags, bu I just lined up bags where I thought I would have to empty and my buddy helped me with that so it went fairly fast
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rjh4758
06-06-2010, 10:03 PM
its me and 2 guys so with gas and all about 50$an hour

So 7X50= $350 and 14X50=$750 Give the customer the option. I doubt I could sell a $750 1 acre mowing here but your area maybe different

topsites
06-06-2010, 10:04 PM
Get the money up front.

Yup, the fact this fool...
Who OBVIOUSLY should have got the prop cut way sooner!
All of the sudden is interested in "weekly service?"

Is a BIG red flag.

Dont ever let the promise of more work affect your pricing for now. If he turns out to be a good customer than perhaps give him a deal later.

ding ding ding ding we have a winner.

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 10:04 PM
ok thanks il try and get 650 bagged and another 200 for the bushes

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 10:06 PM
he had tenants in that didnt maintain the lawn so now they are out and he wants it looking nice

unit28
06-06-2010, 10:07 PM
If you don't ask for the money up front then walk away.
This is what HO's are doing nowadays. I bet he said the last guy just quit showing up....just speaking from experience.

I side discharged my customers 2 acre lawn and double cut it with the blades
set at 4" and it looked damn good. Then the guy stiffed me. No joke.:)

mbrew
06-06-2010, 10:08 PM
Please tell us if he goes for that!

topsites
06-06-2010, 10:08 PM
ok thanks il try and get 650 bagged and another 200 for the bushes

No, that's too much, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for my own
acre lot and I don't care if the stuff's up to my neck.

200 for the lawn, and it might be on the low side but that's almost 4 times a regular cut ...
Now 400 would be the compromise, I still think 650's too much.
It will take you probably a half a day, 4-6 hours, pack a lunch.
So 300'ish?

That's 5 times 60, maybe the regular cut price would be 55.
Now you can't budge much on that!

Set your cut height high, at least 4 inches.

onlythebest
06-06-2010, 10:11 PM
200 for the lawn is only 2 reg cuts that are side discharged and now im having to bag if you think 650 is high please tell me what you think is fair considering a regular cut is 100

rjh4758
06-06-2010, 10:54 PM
its me and 2 guys so with gas and all about 50$an hour

200 for the lawn is only 2 reg cuts that are side discharged and now im having to bag if you think 650 is high please tell me what you think is fair considering a regular cut is 100

You say that you charge $50 an hour but this one acre is $100 a cut. So you plan on taking 2 hours to cut this lawn?

I am in the price range of topsites $400. $200 seems low to me but anything above $400 is just way to high in my eyes and even that is high.

GreenAcresLandscaping
06-08-2010, 09:14 AM
If your only 14 he wont hire you if you tell him 800. 800 to mow 1 acre, hes gonna think your nuts. you will probably have to cut it 3-4 times so i would say charge 3-4 times whatever you normally would to mow it. 150-200 bucks maybe but not 800