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Clark Griswold
06-27-2010, 02:28 AM
Just bought a Timecutter 42 w/ the Kawi 22 & it's leaving a trail of cut grass right behind the discharge side of the deck, right in the middle of the blade area on that side. Any ideas?

Do they make a high lift blade for this mower? It sounds like the blades that came on it are pretty high lift already & will suck up the mulch real quick when mowing around beds!

Thanks In Advance, Clark

The Toro Company
06-29-2010, 11:28 AM
Clark Griswold -

Thank you for choosing a Toro TimeCutter! I apologize for the trail of cut grass. It is difficult to say what might be causing this without more information. Can you tell us how tall your grass was when you were cutting it and whether it was wet with dew, normal, or very dry? Also, were you mulching or side-discharging? About how fast were you cutting? Quarter speed, half speed, three-quarter speed, or full speed? What type of grass do you have? Do you water and fertilize regularly? I apologize for the 20 questions but all of these things affect cutting conditions. I want to make sure we diagnose the problem correctly the first time.

-The Toro Company

Clark Griswold
07-10-2010, 08:37 PM
Thanks and I fixed it, it was the deck being off front to back by about an inch.

Clark

Croat
08-13-2010, 01:00 PM
Clark,
Ive been having this problem since I bought my Timecutter over a year ago. I, along with my dealer, have tried just about everything we could think of. Toro told me everything was where it was supposed to be and that my yard just too plush and more like golf course turf. Dont ask Toro about different blades. They will tell you that there isnt any other kind. Sorry..I'm frustrated. I spend more time blowing off clumps of grass after I cut than I do actually cutting.
It may sound like a stupid question. But, could you tell me exactly how you fixed it? Im grasping for any possible solution. Thanks

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
08-13-2010, 07:46 PM
I wonder if sharpening your blades as sharp as possible would help?? Maybe a higher lift blade as well....

Clark Griswold
08-14-2010, 03:12 PM
Clark,
Ive been having this problem since I bought my Timecutter over a year ago. I, along with my dealer, have tried just about everything we could think of. Toro told me everything was where it was supposed to be and that my yard just too plush and more like golf course turf. Dont ask Toro about different blades. They will tell you that there isnt any other kind. Sorry..I'm frustrated. I spend more time blowing off clumps of grass after I cut than I do actually cutting.
It may sound like a stupid question. But, could you tell me exactly how you fixed it? Im grasping for any possible solution. Thanks

Croat, I've tried everything too and if you raise the front of the deck it gets a little better but doesn't solve the problem altogether. It's really on lush thick lawns where it gets the worst!

I've actually raised the front of the deck till it couldn't go anymore and it's still there but not as bad.

I just can't believe Toro made such a deck that cuts like this, didn't they do any testing before putting it into production?

It said in the manual to raise the deck, OK I'm already cutting one particular lawn at 4 inches and cutting off about 3 inches of grass, what next?

If you look under the deck there is an area of the deck that is hollowed out where one of the baffles is, I think that is where the problem lies, air is being trapped under that hollowed out area, because that is where the trail of grass is on the lawn, right under that area of the deck.

I wonder if welding a plate of metal over that hollowed out area would help?

I really love this mower except for that one thing!

Toro Company, Have others complained about the same thing with this particular mower?

Clark

Magna-Matic
08-16-2010, 12:50 PM
Hello All,

I'll add two quick points.

1. Be sure when sharpening the lawn mower blades that you grind back the pointed TIP or cutting tooth of blade, if the blade has a radius or curve at the end the blade is shorter than intended by the mower mfg. Proper sharpening of a lawn mower blade is to have a pointed tip at the end, like a new blade. (If you've tested with new blades this of course is not your problem.)

2. For very nice even discharge of grass clippings we've done some testing with the Terminator Lawn Mower Blades from Components Plus see their site. These blades are similar to gator blades, but their lift is notched in a slanted direction that provides a nicer even spray of grass clippings.
http://www.tracksplus.com

Thank you,

Clark Griswold
08-26-2010, 10:04 AM
Doesn't look like Toro has an answer or monitoring this site at all, maybe I'll just call them instead!

Trust me Magna it's not the sharpness of the blades, it still does it even with brand new blades installed!

HELLO TORO COMPANY, YOU THERE?

The Toro Company
08-26-2010, 06:22 PM
Clark - We need to know if you are side discharging or if you are recycling/mulching with your Toro TimeCutter.

-The Toro Company

Mowingman
08-26-2010, 07:55 PM
The problem is this: You are trying to use a machine designed for homeowner use in a situation that requires a higher quality mower. You need a mower with a commercial type deck, not a cheap homeowner deck. Simple as that. You just simply bought the wrong machine for your mowing conditions. you bought a cheaply designed and built "Home Depot special", when you should have spent the money to buy a well designed, well built, Toro commercial unit.

Clark Griswold
08-26-2010, 08:27 PM
Clark - We need to know if you are side discharging or if you are recycling/mulching with your Toro TimeCutter.

-The Toro Company

I am side discharging with the discharge deflector up with a bungy cord for better grass distribution.

I would never attempt to mulch with this mower, it would leave a huge trail of grass!

The problem is definitely worse on thick sodded lawns!

Toro, are Croat and I the only one's having this problem?

Thanks

Clark Griswold
08-26-2010, 08:33 PM
The problem is this: You are trying to use a machine designed for homeowner use in a situation that requires a higher quality mower. You need a mower with a commercial type deck, not a cheap homeowner deck. Simple as that. You just simply bought the wrong machine for your mowing conditions. you bought a cheaply designed and built "Home Depot special", when you should have spent the money to buy a well designed, well built, Toro commercial unit.

Your not making any sense!

$2600 is not a cheap mower!

So every homeowner that buys one of these mowers has to deal with a trail of grass and has to mow the lawn twice?

Croat is a homeowner, he shouldn't have to deal with this either!

Mowingman
08-26-2010, 08:50 PM
Yes, $2600.00 is a CHEAP mower. Actually, that price gets you a mower that is awful close to junk quality. A mower that is designed with a useful life of MAYBE 500 hours, if you treat it carefully.
And, yes, every person who wants to mow thick, tall, lush grass with it will have a struggle on their hands. This machine is designed for very light mowing conditions. No effort was spared to cut costs on these machines to make them CHEAP enough to sell at the big box stores.
This mower compares to the Cub RZT, and Troybilt machines, and a host of others sold at the big box stores to unsuspecting customers.
As they say, "you get what you pay for"
I fell sorry for you, or anyone who has bought one of these CHEAP machine with high expectations that it will cut nice and last a long time. They will do neither.

Clark Griswold
08-28-2010, 12:15 AM
Thanks mister helper!

Mowingman
08-28-2010, 07:56 AM
If you do not want to hear the truth, don't ask.

Clark Griswold
08-28-2010, 11:29 AM
If you do not want to hear the truth, don't ask.

I wasn't asking you, I'm supposed to be corresponding with Toro in this section of the forum but thanks, you've been a great help!

Mowingman
08-28-2010, 01:56 PM
This looks like a question directed right to me, don't you think?
Toro will never tell you the truth, so I thought i could help save you time and effort, and just "cut to the chase".
So, I am done here, just go ahead and waste your time with that machine, and Toro's useless answers to your problem.


Your not making any sense!

$2600 is not a cheap mower!

So every homeowner that buys one of these mowers has to deal with a trail of grass and has to mow the lawn twice?

Croat is a homeowner, he shouldn't have to deal with this either!

Clark Griswold
08-29-2010, 01:59 AM
This looks like a question directed right to me, don't you think?
Toro will never tell you the truth, so I thought i could help save you time and effort, and just "cut to the chase".
So, I am done here, just go ahead and waste your time with that machine, and Toro's useless answers to your problem.

Thanks Again

lifetree
08-29-2010, 04:44 AM
I agree with Mowingman ... for commercial use you need a commercial machine !!

bif
08-29-2010, 02:15 PM
4200, and only use it on my lawn, approx. 1 acre...
no issues with it leaving a trail of grass, and I am mulching....

I'm not sure how much grass (in length) you are trying to cut, obviously (not being smart), if you try to cut too much you will see clumps of grass behind you....

my deck is tilted slightly forward, and is even side to side, other than that I can't think of any settings that would help....and I am using mulching blades...
again, if you let the grass too long, and/or try to cut too much you will see a grass trail...with any mower...

good luck

The Toro Company
09-01-2010, 10:20 AM
Clark,

From your earlier post, it sounds like you are cutting off 3 inches of grass at a time. Is that correct? For best results, we recommend cutting 1/3 of the length of the grass blade at a time or around 1”. We use a cut-off baffle as part of our bagging kit that may help your particular situation (cutting a little bit longer grass in lush conditions). It is part number 112-3983-03 and you can order it through your dealer. Again, it sounds like your deck may be being overloaded and we would recommend cutting less at a time or driving slower, but this part may be something to try.

-The Toro Company

Clark Griswold
09-01-2010, 12:54 PM
On this one particular lawn I am cutting off 3 inches with the deck set at 4 inches, this lawn grows incredibly fast and if you say to cut off 1 inch at a time I would have to mow this lawn 3 times a week!

I'll have to get some pictures together to show you exactly what it's doing on lush thick sodded lawns.

I just got my Scag back from the shop & I have to mow this lawn on Thursday so I can collect all the dead grass on the lawn and dump it off in the woods.

I will try the cut-off-baffle kit as you suggested and I hope it solves the problem, otherwise I really like this mower a lot, the 22 Kawi motor is incredible!

Thanks Again Toro Company, I Appreciate It!

Croat
09-07-2010, 03:14 PM
Clark, just wondering if you got the piece put in and if it works. I called the rep. from Toro that I've been talking to and told him about it. No response from them yet...big surprise. I was told by my dealer that the baffle would be of no help...another big surprise. Toro just needs to step up and say that the deck design is crappy and they screwed up. Then get their engineers on the problem so they can FIX it...wow there's an idea! In my book, the Toro reputation is on the line with this one.

Clark Griswold
09-30-2010, 02:00 PM
Clark, just wondering if you got the piece put in and if it works. I called the rep. from Toro that I've been talking to and told him about it. No response from them yet...big surprise. I was told by my dealer that the baffle would be of no help...another big surprise. Toro just needs to step up and say that the deck design is crappy and they screwed up. Then get their engineers on the problem so they can FIX it...wow there's an idea! In my book, the Toro reputation is on the line with this one.

Hey Croat, I finally got the piece on & took about 2 minutes if that to put it on, it works great!

Toro figured out what was happening, the grass coming out of the discharge area was swirling cut grass back under the deck and leaving a trail on the right side & this little piece of metal that Toro sent me stops that from happening, so the problem is solved!

And if you put the discharge chute up about half way with a bungee cord the cut grass will go flying out about 10 to 15 feet or more, the suction is just incredible now, even better than it already was!

In my opinion the little piece of metal should have come with the mower when it was new, hello Toro!

Good Luck With Yours, Clark

Croat
10-01-2010, 09:36 AM
Clark, you are the man. I dont know whos buttons you pushed, but you got somebody thinking. Amazing how that little piece of steel completely changes the mower. I must say, its nice to be able to cut and not have to go back over it with a blower. Thanks for all the help

1506cmo18
03-25-2011, 09:15 PM
Hey Croat, I finally got the piece on & took about 2 minutes if that to put it on, it works great!

Toro figured out what was happening, the grass coming out of the discharge area was swirling cut grass back under the deck and leaving a trail on the right side & this little piece of metal that Toro sent me stops that from happening, so the problem is solved!

And if you put the discharge chute up about half way with a bungee cord the cut grass will go flying out about 10 to 15 feet or more, the suction is just incredible now, even better than it already was!

In my opinion the little piece of metal should have come with the mower when it was new, hello Toro!

Good Luck With Yours, Clark


I just purchased a 2011 Toro timecutter SS 4235. I have not had a chance to mow with it yet. Toro did you fix this problem in the deck or am I going to be having the same problem?

Croat
03-26-2011, 05:14 AM
1506cmo18, Hopefully for your sake they have corrected the problem. If not, get the baffle from your dealer asap and save yourself a ton of extra work.

1506cmo18
03-26-2011, 03:48 PM
1506cmo18, Hopefully for your sake they have corrected the problem. If not, get the baffle from your dealer asap and save yourself a ton of extra work.
How has your timecuuter been holding up? Do you know the part number for the baffle?
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Croat
03-27-2011, 02:33 PM
Sorry. dont have the part number handy. But, just call your dealer or conact Toro through their website. What you are needing is the baffle that fits just inside the discharge and is used when the bagging attachment is attached. Good Luck

1506cmo18
03-27-2011, 03:17 PM
Sorry. dont have the part number handy. But, just call your dealer or conact Toro through their website. What you are needing is the baffle that fits just inside the discharge and is used when the bagging attachment is attached. Good Luck

Ok thanks,

How is your mower holding up? I'm debating keeping mine as I will be using it to mow about 10 hours a week. Any problems on your end?

Croat
03-28-2011, 05:14 AM
It's holding up really well. I really do like everything about it. Obviously, other than the clumping issue. Great machine. Can't complain about anything now that the problem is fixed. I would hold onto it if I were you. You're not cutting alot...Give it a chance.

kennyplay
05-08-2012, 09:49 PM
well said mowingman. I also have a toro z4200. from what i was told it's because it's only 2 blade deck. I also have huster 44" and 54", both 3 blades. That makes a world of difference.

kennyplay
05-08-2012, 09:50 PM
Just bought a Timecutter 42 w/ the Kawi 22 & it's leaving a trail of cut grass right behind the discharge side of the deck, right in the middle of the blade area on that side. Any ideas?

Do they make a high lift blade for this mower? It sounds like the blades that came on it are pretty high lift already & will suck up the mulch real quick when mowing around beds!

Thanks In Advance, Clark

well said mowingman. I also have a toro z4200. from what i was told it's because it's only 2 blade deck. I also have huster 44" and 54", both 3 blades. That makes a world of difference.

Clark Griswold
05-09-2012, 04:00 PM
Mine is still working very well, might have 300 hours or so on it.

The Kawi motor is the best, just an incredible motor!

I had a Scag Cougar with 3 blades & it would suck up anything, never left a trail.

crusty_crab80
06-18-2014, 04:44 PM
It's holding up really well. I really do like everything about it. Obviously, other than the clumping issue. Great machine. Can't complain about anything now that the problem is fixed. I would hold onto it if I were you. You're not cutting alot...Give it a chance.

Mine is still working very well, might have 300 hours or so on it.

The Kawi motor is the best, just an incredible motor!

I had a Scag Cougar with 3 blades & it would suck up anything, never left a trail.

Clark,

From your earlier post, it sounds like you are cutting off 3 inches of grass at a time. Is that correct? For best results, we recommend cutting 1/3 of the length of the grass blade at a time or around 1”. We use a cut-off baffle as part of our bagging kit that may help your particular situation (cutting a little bit longer grass in lush conditions). It is part number 112-3983-03 and you can order it through your dealer. Again, it sounds like your deck may be being overloaded and we would recommend cutting less at a time or driving slower, but this part may be something to try.

-The Toro Company

Hello Clark, Croat & Toro
I just picked up a Toro time cutter ss4235. And also have same problem. I saw the part number for the toro baffle (this should come standard) but when I look up the placement of the part it show 2 different spots where it mounts on 2 diff diagrams i saw on google.

1
http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=toro_consumer&mn=79324%2C+42in+and+50in+Twin+Bagger%2C+TimeCutter+Z4000+and+Z5000+Series+Riding+Mower%2C+2011+%28S N+311000001-311999999%29&dn=3359-993-381920-0002

2
http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=toro_consumer&mn=117-5310%2C+50in+Finishing+Kit%2C+Bagger+for+Zero-Turn-Radius+Riding+Mower&dn=3362-194-393407-0001

Can one of you 3 please specify the exact placement of the part according to the right diagram?
And, more important of all did it make a large difference when bagging?
(I've asked the dealer but he is just "working on it")

crusty_crab80
06-18-2014, 04:46 PM
Hello Clark, Croat & Toro
I just picked up a Toro time cutter ss4235. And also have same problem. I saw the part number for the toro baffle (this should come standard) but when I look up the placement of the part it show 2 different spots where it mounts on 2 diff diagrams i saw on google.

1
http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=toro_consumer&mn=79324%2C+42in+and+50in+Twin+Bagger%2C+TimeCutter+Z4000+and+Z5000+Series+Riding+Mower%2C+2011+%28S N+311000001-311999999%29&dn=3359-993-381920-0002

2
http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=toro_consumer&mn=117-5310%2C+50in+Finishing+Kit%2C+Bagger+for+Zero-Turn-Radius+Riding+Mower&dn=3362-194-393407-0001

Can one of you 3 please specify the exact placement of the part according to the right diagram?
And, more important of all did it make a large difference when bagging?
(I've asked the dealer but he is just "working on it")

Here is a 3rd location where the baffle can go. I think this one is the right one. Other 2 might be for different mower decks.

Would appreciate any input before I buy the part.
Part: 112-3983-03

http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=toro_consumer&mn=74625%2C+TimeCutter+SS+4235+Riding+Mower%2C+2011+%28SN+311000001-311999999%29&dn=3366-475-405766-0006
Thanks!:clapping:

The Toro Company
06-24-2014, 05:54 PM
The 79324 doesn’t fit a Timecutter SS 4235. The 79324 fits 42” Timecutters built between 2007 and 2010. What may be confusing is that the 79324 kit is serialized therefore since we still make kits for older machines, the bagger kit can have a serial number that doesn’t match the serial number of the unit the kit goes on.

On the Timecutters that used 79324, the baffle you mention came in the bagger kit because it did NOT come on the Timecutter unit.

The bagger that goes on your machine, is a 79334. If you looked at a parts diagram for it you would not see the baffle called out because it comes on the unit. You are correct when you say that it is for YOUR machine. For the older Timecutters that used 79324 bagger it is NOT true: the baffle was part of the bagging kit.

One of the links you have is for a 50” bagging kit; again for an older and different machine (Titan); hence, the baffle was part of the kit since it was not factory installed on the machine like they are currently on your TimeCutter SS 4235.

If you have a TimeCutter SS 4235 you should look up the part diagram for that machine and to see which baffle is called out. Depending on the year it is either a 74624, 74625, or 74633. For the most accurate information, we recommend you look up parts on the Toro parts finder and not a third party site. When you look it up, you'll see it only mounts in one place on a 42” deck and yes, 112-3983-03 is the correct part.

Hopes this helps clear up any confusion.
Thanks,
The Toro Co

crusty_crab80
07-02-2014, 07:55 AM
The 79324 doesn’t fit a Timecutter SS 4235. The 79324 fits 42” Timecutters built between 2007 and 2010. What may be confusing is that the 79324 kit is serialized therefore since we still make kits for older machines, the bagger kit can have a serial number that doesn’t match the serial number of the unit the kit goes on.

On the Timecutters that used 79324, the baffle you mention came in the bagger kit because it did NOT come on the Timecutter unit.

The bagger that goes on your machine, is a 79334. If you looked at a parts diagram for it you would not see the baffle called out because it comes on the unit. You are correct when you say that it is for YOUR machine. For the older Timecutters that used 79324 bagger it is NOT true: the baffle was part of the bagging kit.

One of the links you have is for a 50” bagging kit; again for an older and different machine (Titan); hence, the baffle was part of the kit since it was not factory installed on the machine like they are currently on your TimeCutter SS 4235.

If you have a TimeCutter SS 4235 you should look up the part diagram for that machine and to see which baffle is called out. Depending on the year it is either a 74624, 74625, or 74633. For the most accurate information, we recommend you look up parts on the Toro parts finder and not a third party site. When you look it up, you'll see it only mounts in one place on a 42” deck and yes, 112-3983-03 is the correct part.

Hopes this helps clear up any confusion.
Thanks,
The Toro Co


Good deal...I like the detailed response. I will look into it in the next several days.

The mower is holding up alright for the money. I've had to add the pedal attachment (all others expect the floor mat and hand rests came with). I would recommend the pedal being a standard feature. Also, I am not fan of the electric parking break. Mower tends to slide, parking break takes a few seconds sometime maybe 5 to 10 seconds to engage. I would prefer a hand lever AND a brake pedal. Mow a steep wet hill and you'll think twice about a simple brake feature.

AND the blades it came with suck to say the least. I've had to go buy highlift mulching blades with wings (similar to gators) and finding the right one took fitting about 6 blades onto the mower and half a day, 5 trips to stores, one dozen phone calls. 2-3 hours online. 1 post on this site, and my toro dealer was not helpful
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These should be manufactured by TORO. You are loosing $$$.

Kawizx62003
07-02-2014, 09:20 AM
The problem is this: You are trying to use a machine designed for homeowner use in a situation that requires a higher quality mower. You need a mower with a commercial type deck, not a cheap homeowner deck. Simple as that. You just simply bought the wrong machine for your mowing conditions. you bought a cheaply designed and built "Home Depot special", when you should have spent the money to buy a well designed, well built, Toro commercial unit.


Agree. Also there goes the warranty if you had any (sounds like you are suing it commercially). Toro has an excellent reputation and THEY obviously are monitoring as they have responded twice to your thead.