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4 seasons lawn&land
09-04-2010, 03:59 PM
I need a full size single rear wheel gas truck to handle a decent amout of work without being to big & heavy to drive on lawns, maneuver into tight spots, small drives....

Thats why I have a Silverado with a dump insert which is awesome on convienience and maneuverability but I cant keep this Piece Of $hit box looking decent. Its 3 yrs old and so dented up its amazing.

I lifted a log over the side and couldnt make it over, drug down the side of the box on the way down. Shouldve scuffed the paint maybe! But it totaly pushed the body in like a soda can. This among a half dozen little dents

Crap is SO thin that I think if I could just get to the inside of the dents I could push them back out with my thumb.

I have to put up with this garbage or buy a figgen dump truck? I guess I could get one of the single wheel dump bodies that alot of local companies make but I really like the look of a pick up..... without dents! I just want a pick-up but you cant use them for work.

I even have a dent OUT instead of being dented in! Figure that one out!
OK don bich'n

nepatsfan
09-04-2010, 04:13 PM
Buy a dump. a dump is dual rear wheels so it has less direct pressure on the ground with one tire. Make the leap. you can carry more weight and the hoist is a lot better. get one with a blue oval too.

AI Inc
09-04-2010, 04:43 PM
get one with a blue oval too.

In other words, a real truck.

nepatsfan
09-04-2010, 04:55 PM
In other words, a real truck.

come on...I wasn't gonna say it like that. But yeah..get a real truck..:laugh:. Just kidding....but a regular dump is much better than the ez dumper in my opinion. I have had both and I have thrown ez dumpers in my personal pickups after buying new pickups..only because I already had it and if you trade them you dont get sh*t. I would not buy a pick up to set up as a dump though. Its good to have dedicated trucks for work and your pickup for estimates and general driving around. It doesn't get beat and when you are done you make it a work truck and buy a new one. Rotate the oldest one out or add another.

4 seasons lawn&land
09-04-2010, 05:11 PM
The dual wheel ground presure thing is a good point but theres alot of additional weight there too and if you have a dually its usually a diesel and diesels are damn heavy. I dont think the lawns would like the front tires pressure much. Of course you can get a gasser but.... eh... dual wheels and gasser sounds.... not great?

Not to mention the added size of a "real truck" sacrafice that maneuverability that is so handy to me. Note- I barely pull off a 3/4 to pick up on lawns without pissing people off.

The most frustrating part is having something SO CLOSE to what I need yet so far away. All I need is 1999 grade sheet metal on a new truck.

nepatsfan
09-04-2010, 05:31 PM
The dual wheel ground presure thing is a good point but theres alot of additional weight there too and if you have a dually its usually a diesel and diesels are damn heavy. I dont think the lawns would like the front tires pressure much. Of course you can get a gasser but.... eh... dual wheels and gasser sounds.... not great?

Not to mention the added size of a "real truck" sacrafice that maneuverability that is so handy to me. Note- I barely pull off a 3/4 to pick up on lawns without pissing people off.

The most frustrating part is having something SO CLOSE to what I need yet so far away. All I need is 1999 grade sheet metal on a new truck.

why would you be pulling on peoples lawns. If my truck is going across their lawn its more than likely for major work. I have done it before and just used a spring rake on the grass. Its not that much difference in weight. My 350 dumps are 9k pounds empty...diesel 4wd. I bet your pick up is at least 6k pounds ....then add the ez dumper another thousand is 7k pounds. If your pick up weighs 7k pounds now you are only a thousand off plus the difference in the dual wheels vs. single. Just something to think about. I would think about how much more material you can put in a dump and the benefits with towing and stuff. There are advantages to both.

4 seasons lawn&land
09-04-2010, 05:53 PM
its somewhat rural. Lawns are good size. Many clean-ups and all clearouts require a truck in place. Then some top soil/mulch to certain areas vs alot of whhel barrow work can be a life saver.

Spring cleanups can make for some soft spots that time of yr.

But maybe the 2000lb dif wouldnt be too bad offset by the duals. Something to consider.

Mickhippy
09-04-2010, 08:29 PM
Get an aluminium tray. Sides fold down, can be removed and replaced if damaged. I know theres someone in the US that has them, I ve seen the website. Just cant think who they are!

4 seasons lawn&land
09-04-2010, 09:43 PM
not sure what u mean. have a pic?

P.Services
09-04-2010, 09:51 PM
hes talking about the beds the homedepot uses on their rental trucks. A flat bed with little fold down sides.

And onto the second point KEEP OFF THE LAWN YOU KNUCKLE HEAD!! ive never once drove a truck on a lawn (well one time when he was on vacation)

4 seasons lawn&land
09-04-2010, 09:56 PM
haha. I know what you mean. Its a location thing. Driving on the lawn is daily. We are not dealing with the little suburb type places.

Mickhippy
09-04-2010, 10:35 PM
heres my ute.

4 seasons lawn&land
09-04-2010, 10:37 PM
I like that. Did u can the stock bed for the same reason?

Mickhippy
09-04-2010, 10:50 PM
They are just better than pick up type beds. Dont have to worry about scratches, dents etc. All sides fold down for easy access etc. Sides are removable/replaceable if damaged.
They are by far the most popular type of bed for work vehicles here. Other good thing is they are totally flat, dont have to worry about wheel arches.

Gravel Rat
09-04-2010, 11:12 PM
All new vehicals have thin sheet metal, Ford trucks seem to be thicker than the others. Any good welding shop can build you a aluminum flatdeck and it can be custom made to what you want. You wouldn't want a steel bed on a 3/4 ton you have too much weight.

You other option is a totally dedicated lawn truck something like a cabover then you have a good turning radius the truck gets decent fuel mileage.

GravelyNut
09-06-2010, 08:33 PM
The dual wheel ground presure thing is a good point but theres alot of additional weight there too and if you have a dually its usually a diesel and diesels are damn heavy. I dont think the lawns would like the front tires pressure much. Of course you can get a gasser but.... eh... dual wheels and gasser sounds.... not great?

Not to mention the added size of a "real truck" sacrafice that maneuverability that is so handy to me. Note- I barely pull off a 3/4 to pick up on lawns without pissing people off.

The most frustrating part is having something SO CLOSE to what I need yet so far away. All I need is 1999 grade sheet metal on a new truck.
There used to be good gas powered duallys. But Chevy dropped the 8.1. Also if you change a bed on a 3500 here you have to go to Commercial insurance on the vehicle. But as you are using it for business you ought to have it anyways.

WHIPPLE5.7
09-10-2010, 09:30 AM
Alot of new trucks are pretty crappy for what you get for sure. I have a 1996 2500 Silverado I love because it works hard without trouble. Even though I won't part with it I like to have something else around since I often need more than one truck anyway. First was a newer GMC and it had the same problem as you describe, even lean up against the box and it looks like a bear can got stepped on. It had almost no lowend power but lots on top, that pissed me off because I tow and need torque instead of 5,000 RPM power. Next I tried a Cummins dually, Dodge gets big thumbs down for this thing. It would be more comfortable to have a dog pull down the street while sitting in Red Ryder wagon. Fuel consumption was unreal on this truck far worse than any gas truck I've ever seen. Finally had enough and found another truck same body style as my '96. Its '99 2500 HD with a 454, loaded, ex-cab, 40K miles and only cost me $8,500. I couldn't be happier. Nice ride, lots of power, 15 mpg, and low purchase price for a like new condition truck.

DA Quality Lawn & YS
09-11-2010, 12:18 AM
I would have to add that 1/2 ton PU's these days are made for city slickers, not workers like you and I. That is why half tons are SO impractical with those high box sides (good grief, they are like 6' in the air, how are you supposed to throw anything over the side when the box is so high in the air??), among other things.

I wish someone would build a pickup for the working man again.

pitrack
09-13-2010, 10:59 PM
What if you got like a gator or something of the sort with a little dump box on the back if you HAVE to drive on the yard?