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eaglescout1993
09-27-2010, 04:21 PM
I am looking at the Ferris IS2500Z w/ 20hp yanmar Diesel but am second guessing myself. Should i step up and get the 31hp Kawi. gas in the IS3100Z? I want 52in deck and the largest property I will mow is 10acers. To my knowlage, there is not a great price diffrence between the two mower but i need the speed of a z and small size of a 52 because of trees and landscaping.

let me know which one or recomend another.

i need to keep it below 8000 w/o bager.

pugs
09-27-2010, 05:50 PM
This post confuses me quite a bit. There is no 31HP Kawasaki option on a 2000 or 3100 or anywhere in the current Ferris lineup. There is no 52" deck on a 3100. And you will not get a 2500 for 8000 and if you do please let me know where since thats alot less than what my dealer cost is on them.

gene gls
09-27-2010, 07:45 PM
I am looking at the Ferris IS2500Z w/ 20hp yanmar Diesel but am second guessing myself. Should i step up and get the 31hp Kawi. gas in the IS3100Z? I want 52in deck and the largest property I will mow is 10acers. To my knowlage, there is not a great price diffrence between the two mower but i need the speed of a z and small size of a 52 because of trees and landscaping.

let me know which one or recomend another.

i need to keep it below 8000 w/o bager.

I wouldn't want to mow 10 acres with a 52" deck. You need 2 mowers.

RozarLawnCare
09-27-2010, 07:53 PM
You are stepping down to get a gas. The diesel will have more power (torque) and use alot less fuel.

BBOWL
09-27-2010, 08:02 PM
You are stepping down to get a gas. The diesel will have more power (torque) and use alot less fuel.

Correct. Diesels make more power on less fuel at lower rpm's. They usually last longer too.

eaglescout1993
09-27-2010, 10:10 PM
i may have sizes/power wrong i was in a hurry but the basic thing i want to know is... less power diesel or more power gas for 52in gas... i know 10 acres is a lot wiht 52 but i am not sure ill have the 16k to get 72in 5100... I refuse to get a lone for any equipment so id rather take a little longer and save the extra cash...

TLS
09-27-2010, 10:34 PM
I'm not sure, but is the 20hp Yanmar diesel that 2 cylinder thing? If it is.....pass on it.

The weight penalty on a diesel keeps them much heavier than a comparable gas.

A 20 hp diesel of any kind is no match for the power/torque of a 31 Kawi.

You should step up to a 60" class for more production and better future resale.
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eaglescout1993
09-27-2010, 11:26 PM
\I'm not sure, but is the 20hp Yanmar diesel that 2 cylinder thing? If it is.....pass on it.

The weight penalty on a diesel keeps them much heavier than a comparable gas.

A 20 hp diesel of any kind is no match for the power/torque of a 31 Kawi.

You should step up to a 60" class for more production and better future resale.
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ok should i expect a huge price difference between 52 diesel and 60 gas?

also its a straight 3cyl yanmar

rcslawncare
09-28-2010, 12:24 AM
Its well worth going 60", they can do most anything and its better to do it right the first time!!

eaglescout1993
09-28-2010, 11:09 AM
ok so
IS3100z 60" • 37-hp Kawasaki DFI V-Twin engine.
or
IS5100z 60" • 33.5-hp Caterpillar™ diesel engine.

Im looking for best value now and good cut, need to stick with ferris because of great dealer support around here. Over all im not to worried about the resale because i will probable run it till it dies then keep it for parts and buy a new one.

TLS
09-28-2010, 11:15 AM
I'd go with the Vanguards myself until Kawi can figure out their valvetrain issues.

Bagit
09-28-2010, 12:02 PM
ok so
IS3100z 60" • 37-hp Kawasaki DFI V-Twin engine.
or
IS5100z 60" • 33.5-hp Caterpillar™ diesel engine.

Im looking for best value now and good cut, need to stick with ferris because of great dealer support around here. Over all im not to worried about the resale because i will probable run it till it dies then keep it for parts and buy a new one.

I would go with a reg. gas mower. But I don't think you need a 37hp with a 60" deck, unless your going to do alot of bagging with it.

mag360
09-28-2010, 04:19 PM
ok so
IS3100z 60" • 37-hp Kawasaki DFI V-Twin engine.
or
IS5100z 60" • 33.5-hp Caterpillar™ diesel engine.

Im looking for best value now and good cut, need to stick with ferris because of great dealer support around here. Over all im not to worried about the resale because i will probable run it till it dies then keep it for parts and buy a new one.

Neither are anywhere close to $8000

4 seasons lawn&land
09-28-2010, 08:40 PM
gas motors are better for lawn mowers.

RozarLawnCare
09-28-2010, 10:01 PM
gas motors are better for lawn mowers.

I have been using a diesel (Kubota) for about 12 years now. It is alittle more up front, but far better. The fuel consumption is about 2/3 that of gas. No plugs, no carb, just keep the filters changed about every 50 hours.

eaglescout1993
09-28-2010, 11:04 PM
Neither are anywhere close to $8000

the 8000 was not for those tow mower, those are - around- 15000

eaglescout1993
09-28-2010, 11:05 PM
I have been using a diesel (Kubota) for about 12 years now. It is alittle more up front, but far better. The fuel consumption is about 2/3 that of gas. No plugs, no carb, just keep the filters changed about every 50 hours.

i plan on having what ever mower i end up getting for this long, in your opinion was it worth the higher upfront cost?

RozarLawnCare
09-29-2010, 08:26 PM
Yes, I have had zero problems with the engine, except for fuel filter changes. The engine will out last the transmission. It is going out now. I just bought today as a matter of fact a Woods 6215 with a Kubota diesel in it. I gave 4000 grand for it so we will see how good they are. I was trying to put up a picture but cannot. You can search woods 6215 in the completed listings and see it.

rwaters
09-29-2010, 09:21 PM
gas motors are better for lawn mowers.

I agree the mower will wear out before the diesel engine will, and the gas engine will keep its resell value better dollar for dollar then the diesel. The gas mower will also be cheaper to operate, as the diesel fuel is more expensive and harder to find.

I agree a diesel engine is better for a tractor and yes it will last a long time but will it pay for itself.

Another note an oil change and filter change for a diesel in my shop is higher then a service for a gas lawnmower including cleaning the carborator due to cost of oil, and filters

RozarLawnCare
09-29-2010, 09:38 PM
I buy off road diesel at 2.35 a gallon (no tax). The difference in the fuel consumption will pay for the fuel difference. Oil is the same as gas and filters are a little higher. Around my area and looking on Tractor house and Ebay, diesel machine hold their resale valve better then gas.

TLS
09-30-2010, 08:30 AM
I deduct all road tax in my taxes (gas & diesel). No need for off road diesel.

Generally a diesel ZTR is 1500+ lbs and sometimes $2K more in price. The engines far outlast the rest of the mower, and until they can build a mower to outlast a diesel, I'll stick with the big block gasser over a diesel.

eaglescout1993
10-02-2010, 10:31 PM
how about geting this setup, never used husqvarna,
tinyurl.com/23m8lnz

mowerman1984
12-16-2010, 08:15 PM
get a 2500 24/61 if you want a diesel. or a 3100 30/61 if you want gas. should be close in price. they are two totally different machines, so tell your dealer what you need and let them get you in the unit that best fits what you're looking to accomplish. they are doing away with the 2500 20/52 and making it a 24/52... not necessarely because they were underpowered, but because it makes ordering engines easier.

grassman177
12-16-2010, 09:31 PM
what are you going with? and whats up man?

make sure you get the new deck from ferris whatever you do, the older ones all sucked in midwest mowing.

we have three kubota ztrs and the diesel is amazing for large areas, but dont use this machine for medium sized lawns as it is too heavy and WILL effect grass quaity and rutting etc.

Dakotadog
12-17-2010, 03:15 PM
What ever you do do not buy the DFI engine. Kawi will say they have not had problems with them but they will drink more gas in a day then a hipo will drink in water and they have had issues with vapor locking real bad on almost all of them including other MFG's other then Ferris that use them. Do you your home work if you decide on the DFI!

SouthSide Cutter
12-17-2010, 03:47 PM
What ever you do do not buy the DFI engine. Kawi will say they have not had problems with them but they will drink more gas in a day then a hipo will drink in water and they have had issues with vapor locking real bad on almost all of them including other MFG's other then Ferris that use them. Do you your home work if you decide on the DFI!

I have the 29DFI and it sips gas and has 1005hrs and no problems.

Dakotadog
12-17-2010, 03:54 PM
Try the 37HP DFI it is a thirsty pig.