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RABBITMAN11
10-20-2010, 06:10 PM
One of my guys has melted a blower extension, not once but twice. in the last few months. And today he backed into a pole with the box truck and bent the bumper. How do you guys deal with this? He also has been talking alot on his personal phone which im going to put a stop to that tonight. Suggestions please!!!!

Tim Smith
10-20-2010, 06:53 PM
Fire him before you have a major problem
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Amani
10-20-2010, 07:35 PM
You know the previous response sounds harsh but it might be the best. You could also try and make him feel the cost of replacement or repair of your equipment. This has actually worked for me.

Lefet
10-20-2010, 07:35 PM
How do you melt a blower extension? TWICE????

grassman177
10-20-2010, 08:01 PM
yeah, twice, it is called in aint his equipment that is how. agrivating to say the least.

we took this approach...... cant legally doc pay for things like that so we instead have a bonus system that gets points taken away for things like this, so you start with 100%, and could end up with 0%. bonuses are usually pretty darn nice.

in the end though if it is all the time, fire them or make them quit by making them hate work

RABBITMAN11
10-20-2010, 08:04 PM
How do you melt a blower extension? TWICE????

laid it across exhaust of slice seeder when putting it in truck. Second he laid it on the exhaust of a skid sprayer...

tlg
10-20-2010, 08:08 PM
As far as the equipment damage a written warning should be all you need to do . The truck incident needs a drug test on the employee Just to let him know your serious. As far as the phone calls. Let me be clear. IF HE'S TAKING AND MAKING CALLS ON YOUR TIME HE'S COSTING YOU MONEY. Just because he's got a phone dosen't mean he has to use it. When did getting and making phone calls at work become OK. I see so much of this now it drives me crazy. Tell him no calls, no texting, no anything. Employee's need to do their job. Let them plan their social life on their own time!

castlerockmo
10-20-2010, 08:12 PM
The cell phone thing I fought a guy for four years! Finally I had to can his arse. But him only talking 30 min a day was costing me 800 a year at bear minimum, over 4 years it would be more than 3200.00! I had enough of him.
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azjojo99
10-21-2010, 09:37 AM
laid it across exhaust of slice seeder when putting it in truck. Second he laid it on the exhaust of a skid sprayer...


Written warning, then when it happens again, fire him.

It seems like he is getting dangerously close to burning up your truck. What if he puts the blower against the exhaust of the skid sprayer, starts the sprayer and goes into a back yard and then wonders why it stopped spraying in a few minutes while taking on his cell phone? Would he hang up to call the fire department?

It is easy to find good employees, just fire the bad ones. It will all work out in the long run. If an employee of mine causes me mental or financial pain, its simple, they are gone.

Ric
10-21-2010, 10:11 AM
Fire him before you have a major problem
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Tim

I agree 100%. You got to stop and ask yourself what kind of fool comes to work as a Yard Boy?? What kind of job did he get fired from because he isn't the Brightest Penny in the roll?? It is bad enough with the Fools that have their own equipment let alone the broke Fools. I keep a lot of distance between myself and Fools.

Quick Story.

I did a customer a favor and hired his Brother-in-Law. Second day on the job he drops a Brand New Weed Eater in the Canal. His Story was. He want to take a rest and set the running Weed Eater on the top of the Seawall. Not only did I fire the Fool but I made the Customer buy a brand new Weed Eater. Life is too short to put up with Idiots. Oh and the Customer stayed a customer because knew the guy was a jerk and was embarrassed.

Catch the First sentence in my signature. It rings true of total lawn industry.

MarcSmith
10-21-2010, 10:28 AM
It is easy to find good employees, maybe in your little corner of the world...

ALL employees lie, cheat, steal, It just depends as to what degree you are willing to accept it...

They don't own the equipment, so they don't care about the equipment. I'd bet you guy was talking on the phone or texting when he hit the pole...

Honestly I've set the blower down and had the tube hit a muffler an melt... I've left a pair a felcos on the bumper and drove off. we all have done bone head stuff before...

If you talk to the guy about the recent string of incidents he may never have another problem...

I had one employee who's lost his cell phone and two ipods on campus over the last few years. and each time I catch him running around looking for it I reprimand him for being out of his area and not doing the work he was assigned.

He got all upsept and i told him if you had kept in your locker you would not have lost it. I made him clock out and then let him look for it...He wasn't too interested then...

Ric
10-21-2010, 11:41 AM
maybe in your little corner of the world...

ALL employees lie, cheat, steal, It just depends as to what degree you are willing to accept it...

They don't own the equipment, so they don't care about the equipment. I'd bet you guy was talking on the phone or texting when he hit the pole...

Honestly I've set the blower down and had the tube hit a muffler an melt... I've left a pair a felcos on the bumper and drove off. we all have done bone head stuff before...

If you talk to the guy about the recent string of incidents he may never have another problem...

I had one employee who's lost his cell phone and two ipods on campus over the last few years. and each time I catch him running around looking for it I reprimand him for being out of his area and not doing the work he was assigned.

He got all upsept and i told him if you had kept in your locker you would not have lost it. I made him clock out and then let him look for it...He wasn't too interested then...


Marc

You know we are on the same page. In your case, your University will give some Bennie's and livable wage to try and draw a better class of Fools. But then you still are having to dealing with Yard Boys. As a Small timer I found the Hispanic labor force to be some what honest as well as hard working. I offered a job to those who couldn't speak English and therefore couldn't get a better job. I had the don't ask don't tell policy as long as they had a Driver License and SS Number.

The reason the Illegals have taken over the service & construction industry is because they have the work ethic Americans don't have. Landscape only draws Kids, Crimmials and Fools who can't get or HOLD a real job.

MarcSmith
10-21-2010, 12:18 PM
ric 90%of my staff is hispanic...with 90% of them over 30..so I got the best the older guys and they are all legit which is nice...

new younger Hispanics that have been born here are too americanized and are only slightly better than their american counterparts...

You'd be surprised at the applications I get when people apply for jobs...my ten year old could write a better resume...I had a guy convicted of kidnapping apply for job...after serving 15 years...

Ric
10-21-2010, 01:07 PM
ric 90%of my staff is hispanic...with 90% of them over 30..so I got the best the older guys and they are all legit which is nice...

new younger Hispanics that have been born here are too americanized and are only slightly better than their american counterparts...

You'd be surprised at the applications I get when people apply for jobs...my ten year old could write a better resume...I had a guy convicted of kidnapping apply for job...after serving 15 years...

Marc

Been There Done That. Yes the American born or 2nd Generation is a different breed. Too Americanized.

Before I made the Hispanic connection or started hiring them, I went the Dumb White Boy route. My sons Friends on his H S wrestling Team weren't bad, but were still kids. I had times I had to hire them fresh out of the county jail. Most were Crack heads and didn't last after they stole me blind.

I only work part time now, But I am itching to get things going again. Employee are the only thing holding me back from opening up a full blown company. You know my plans, I have talking with you and several others about my plans to get your opinions. Networking and Subcontracting with good reliable people is my plan now. Let the sub make a little more money for dealing with Employees. If they are making money they are more willing to do things right. At this point of my life I am more interested in Designing Business models and Macro Managing them. Hopefully I am Networking with the right people.

ArTurf
10-21-2010, 02:54 PM
The comment I am about to make does not deal directly with what the OP brought up but I think it will be useful to all of us.
Somewhere around 90+% of vehicle accidents involve backing up. Eliminate backing and you will reduce accidents dramatically. Needless so say the money & time loss for an accident plus possible litigation.
I work for the Postal Service and we have a no back up policy. You can only back up in designated spots, period. If you back up and are in an accident you probably will be fired. You know this up front so no excuses. I use this policy in my lawn business as well as everyday life.
It is easier to do than you may think if you just use a little thought beforehand.

Buck_wheat
10-21-2010, 05:07 PM
Regardless of nationality, all my workers provide ID, SS#'s and fill out I-9 information, 1099, employee whatever, it's the law. Sub-contractors are presently excluded, but not for long under the Obamslama me in the butt health care legislation.

As far as equipment is concerned, every piece of portable equipment has a serial # (mine) Each worker is assigned specific equipment to complete his assigned task, they will use the same equipment every time (no excuse rule). They are told in the policy manual (also a requirement I believe) that they will be responsible for that equipment. Normal wear and tear is fine, but if they are stupid with it, they just bought it & I drive them to the bus stop & take the pro-rated cost for replacement or repair out of their check.

I read somewhere in here guys were on the phones while destroying equipment. NO WORKER ON MY JOB IS PERMITTED TO CARRY HIS PHONE OR MP3 PLAYER IPOD WHATEVER WHILE WORKING! All our equipment is dangerous as are the chemicals that we apply. If they are on the phone or listening to music, they are not paying attention. It's a recipe for disaster. They can check their phones when they have their break or lunch... no exceptions including me.

Almost nothing ticks me off more than when I pay a guy to fix, or work on my whatever and he's on the phone, texting, or buzzing to tunes. I suppose my customers must feel the same way too.

CHARLES CUE
10-21-2010, 08:20 PM
Marc

You know we are on the same page. In your case, your University will give some Bennie's and livable wage to try and draw a better class of Fools. But then you still are having to dealing with Yard Boys. As a Small timer I found the Hispanic labor force to be some what honest as well as hard working. I offered a job to those who couldn't speak English and therefore couldn't get a better job. I had the don't ask don't tell policy as long as they had a Driver License and SS Number.

The reason the Illegals have taken over the service & construction industry is because they have the work ethic Americans don't have. Landscape only draws Kids, Crimmials and Fools who can't get or HOLD a real job.

Ric i disagree with Illegals having a work ethic. May be it is different in Fl but i worked in DC for 12 years and worked with all kinds. And they are no better than any one else as far as working but they will work for LESS.

Charles Cue

Ric
10-21-2010, 11:15 PM
Ric i disagree with Illegals having a work ethic. May be it is different in Fl but i worked in DC for 12 years and worked with all kinds. And they are no better than any one else as far as working but they will work for LESS.

Charles Cue

Cue De Charles

Hispanico que dije, no Illegals.

grassman177
10-22-2010, 12:24 AM
Just goes to show how and what "americanized" actaully means. it has nothing to do with anything but how sad many a person is in this country.

anyone who does not like your rules can find a job elsewhere, and let me tell you, it is not easy finding a job right now and either plays in the mind of the person, or they dont care and neither should you about their bills. It is a very tough road as i can relate and have gone through so many different "types".

soloscaperman
10-22-2010, 12:47 AM
As far as equipment is concerned, every piece of portable equipment has a serial # (mine) Each worker is assigned specific equipment to complete his assigned task, they will use the same equipment every time (no excuse rule). They are told in the policy manual (also a requirement I believe) that they will be responsible for that equipment. Normal wear and tear is fine, but if they are stupid with it, they just bought it & I drive them to the bus stop & take the pro-rated cost for replacement or repair out of their check.


I like your thinking. Make a history sheet for your guy's equipment every month and the other guys is breaking once a year that tells you something. Make a bonus system that the ones with the least repairs has a larger bonus.

Lefet
10-22-2010, 08:36 AM
I guess the verdict is in. What are you waiting for personal injury?

gasracer
10-22-2010, 09:09 AM
I may get blasted for this but I refuse to use the "Hispanics" for work. The ones here don't have "legal" SS # and I don't want INS on my back. There are lots of people out of work that need money just pay bills. Some of the people I work for would even drop me if I did.

txgrassguy
10-22-2010, 09:14 AM
Personally, after the second melting of the blower extension the dude would have been catfish bait or flipping burgers but definitely not working around me any longer.

Throw in vehicle damage and we'd both be in the hospital - having my boot surgically removed from the depths of that idiot's rectal area.

I actually knocked out an employee once, overall a pretty bad scene. To make a long story short (to late) I noticed a problem with a brand new mower and when I questioned everyone about it, and not harshly, my hero gets all huffy and pushed me pretty hard in the chest. Apparently he didn't notice I had a shovel in my hands or didn't care but I whacked the living bejesus out of that dude and laid him out.
Kind of got everyone's attention though as things got pretty quiet after that for a few days.
Obviously I canned the dude right then as well but the interesting thing is I occasionally see him from time to time three years later. He tells me I was the best employer he ever had as I "straightened" him out.
Now, would this approach work for everyone?
Nope and I'm not going to say different but I felt better.

CHARLES CUE
10-22-2010, 09:35 PM
Cue De Charles

Hispanico que dije, no Illegals.

You just stated above don't ask don't tell and a ss card.

A ss card does not make them legal.

And no i don't speak Spanish. I had a hard time with English.

But i have been known to do a little pig Latin.

Charles Cue

soloscaperman
10-22-2010, 10:59 PM
The only thing I know is the Dirty Sanchez...... Just kidding

MarcSmith
10-23-2010, 07:06 AM
The only thing I know is the Dirty Sanchez...... Just kiddingwasn't he just fired @ CNN.....oh wait, no thats RICK sanchez....my bad..

Tim Smith
10-23-2010, 10:38 AM
I fire crews weekly
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ZMAX
10-23-2010, 10:50 AM
I fire crews weekly
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you must be a pleasure to work for :rolleyes:

Tim Smith
10-23-2010, 11:05 AM
I'm not there to be their buddy. Face it most landscapers are criminals, drug addicts, or worthless. Now every once and a while you find a good one. My pay rates are high I pay 100% of medical and offer a bouns system. I do not lay off in the winter all my employees go to salary. After all of this only 1 employee is worth a damn. With all of this in place I don't care if they screw off or up I fire the whole crew
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Ric
10-23-2010, 12:16 PM
I fire crews weekly
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Yo

I know Tim Well enough to verify he does fire FOOLS on a weekly basic. I also know a LS member who worked for him for about 3 years and is now his very friendly start up competitor. Tim hates Fools but is extremely helpful to those he feels are worthy.

Buck_wheat
10-23-2010, 03:55 PM
Did you know you can verify SS#'s on-line? Just because they are Hispanics doesn't mean they are illegal; www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnv.htm

I can see Tim has not had many good experiences with lawn crews... Wait till he has an experience with Oslamabama's health care initiative... right after OSHA comes and inspects his operations, he may re-consider his "employer / employee" relationship to one with a dubious 1099 status :rolleyes:.

They are forcing the small guys to into a corner... November is coming be sure to vote! :waving:

Tim Smith
10-23-2010, 04:10 PM
Tried 1099s I keep everything above board. OSHA has done their inspections so has wage and labor no fear of them. I dread the new health care when that comes my employees can thank well screw talking about him any more. If it comes to it I'll retire and move out of the country.
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Ric
10-23-2010, 07:26 PM
Tried 1099s I keep everything above board. OSHA has done their inspections so has wage and labor no fear of them. I dread the new health care when that comes my employees can thank well screw talking about him any more. If it comes to it I'll retire and move out of the country.
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Come on Tim

Comrade Berry will take care of you. Why with your background you should get a good position on the State Farm Commute.

Tim Smith
10-23-2010, 07:38 PM
LOL most in here have no idea of my back ground. I'll keep it that way it's why I changed my name again to many PMs. Employees will never change the ones who do become employers its that simple. I run them hard if they stay I take very good care of them if they suck they hit the road to many jobless people out there for me to take any crap. Ric you hear back from Bryan yet?
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Ric
10-23-2010, 08:16 PM
LOL most in here have no idea of my back ground. I'll keep it that way it's why I changed my name again to many PMs. Employees will never change the ones who do become employers its that simple. I run them hard if they stay I take very good care of them if they suck they hit the road to many jobless people out there for me to take any crap. Ric you hear back from Bryan yet?
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Tim

Yep Brian and I agreed to kill our deal and are still cool. In fact he just send me a Link to a Program I needed.

Buck_wheat
10-24-2010, 07:12 AM
Tried 1099s I keep everything above board. OSHA has done their inspections so has wage and labor no fear of them. I dread the new health care when that comes my employees can thank well screw talking about him any more. If it comes to it I'll retire and move out of the country.
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I hear you... no such thing as a 1099 on the clock...

I'm thinking of taking advantage of the socialist trend, go out of business, stop paying my mortgage and other bills and wait for my food stamps, welfare stimulus check and Obamacare... like all the other slackers.

Why is it that a lot of people who don't work drive a better car than I do?

gasracer
10-24-2010, 08:45 AM
They show up to get there Food stamps in a new Caddy....

humble1
10-24-2010, 07:50 PM
As far as the equipment damage a written warning should be all you need to do . The truck incident needs a drug test on the employee Just to let him know your serious. As far as the phone calls. Let me be clear. IF HE'S TAKING AND MAKING CALLS ON YOUR TIME HE'S COSTING YOU MONEY. Just because he's got a phone dosen't mean he has to use it. When did getting and making phone calls at work become OK. I see so much of this now it drives me crazy. Tell him no calls, no texting, no anything. Employee's need to do their job. Let them plan their social life on their own time!

amen to that, great post

humble1
10-24-2010, 07:58 PM
Marc

Been There Done That. Yes the American born or 2nd Generation is a different breed. Too Americanized.

Before I made the Hispanic connection or started hiring them, I went the Dumb White Boy route. My sons Friends on his H S wrestling Team weren't bad, but were still kids. I had times I had to hire them fresh out of the county jail. Most were Crack heads and didn't last after they stole me blind.

I only work part time now, But I am itching to get things going again. Employee are the only thing holding me back from opening up a full blown company. You know my plans, I have talking with you and several others about my plans to get your opinions. Networking and Subcontracting with good reliable people is my plan now. Let the sub make a little more money for dealing with Employees. If they are making money they are more willing to do things right. At this point of my life I am more interested in Designing Business models and Macro Managing them. Hopefully I am Networking with the right people.

The sub thing can work, I had the oppourtunity to speak with one of the countries largest snow removal contractors, he operates in over a dozen states. He uses district managers and area managers that run the states subs. He told me he personally makes over a million a year and doesn't even get out of bed when it snows. A lot of liability... I have great difficulty turning anything over to "just some guy" , one day of misapplications can put you out of buisness very fast.

humble1
10-25-2010, 08:49 PM
The sub thing can work, I had the oppourtunity to speak with one of the countries largest snow removal contractors, he operates in over a dozen states. He uses district managers and area managers that run the states subs. He told me he personally makes over a million a year and doesn't even get out of bed when it snows. A lot of liability... I have great difficulty turning anything over to "just some guy" , one day of misapplications can put you out of buisness very fast.

John Allen was the guy I met, brain fart the other night could not recall his name.

Frank Fescue
10-25-2010, 11:38 PM
if he breaks your equipment then break his neck, what are you bugging me for?

Buck_wheat
10-28-2010, 05:46 AM
if he breaks your equipment then break his neck, what are you bugging me for?

Workman's comp claims & OSHA violations. Breaking of necks is stricktly verboten!