Another Hustler

[Floridalandcare]

Posted a thread 2 days ago saying I purchased a Hustler Z , I was so impressed with the machine (we did 32 accounts and were done by 4:00pm) I had to get another ,bought a SuperZ today and cant wait until tommorrow. These machines are by far the best machines on the market(here in florida) .

[rkbrown]

Congrats on the Hustlers. I hope you get many trouble free and productive years out of them.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

So you bought another Super Z to mow 32 thousand square feet?:rolleyes:

32 accounts it utterly meaningless to us.

Also what were you using prior to that, to show your comparesent?

What Super Z's did you get, they do come in different sizes?

[mowngrow]

demoed a 72" super z last week, man that is a awesome machine. it handled great, thinking about getting in 2003 for a 200 acre contract.

congrats on the new purchases!!!

[P&J Lawncare]

Congrats on your purchase, I have a 61 super z and it has definately made my work easier and more profittable. I will be going to all hustler equipment next spring (dropping scag). I have no doubt that my super z will pay for itself ( 20 hours saved in payroll per week) by the end of the season.

[vipermanz]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER

32 accounts it utterly meaningless to us.



i think he did 32 in a day:confused:

[captdevo]

who and where is your dealer in Tampa?

what kind of prices does he have?

i know what you mean about the Hustler machines, they have made some great impressions with me also!!

good luck!

[Floridalandcare]

Your right that was 32 in a day, come on now you cant even be in business hardly with 32 accounts , We were averging 22 to 26 a day per crew ,depending on the weather. On crew uses a 60" Flatlander 36"Exmark for back yards , the other crew also uses a 60" Flatlander and a 48" Exmark that has to be tilted to get into back yards . The Hustler cut cutting time by about a 1/3 .I cant wait to see what the Super Z will do . 25hp Kawasaki engine , cuts at 12mph (nobody can cut that fast you tear the grass up ) Trany oil cooler and the mulch kit . Traveling speed is 15mph . Will post after monday ,we do an appartment complex that takes about 2.5 hrs to cut and then ill tell you how the super Z cuts that much St Augistine.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

come on now you cant even be in business hardly with 32 accounts We were averging 22 to 26 a day per crew

So? I can do 250 acounts in 1 day if they are 500 sq/ft each. My point was what are you mowing size wise?
I cant wait to see what the Super Z will do . 25hp Kawasaki engine , cuts at 12mph (nobody can cut that fast you tear the grass up )

Contradicting isn't it. Als not true I mow at 12 plus mph and do not. Operator error will tear the grass not the mower.
The Hustler cut cutting time by about a 1/3
Was it because it comes with sharp blades and this is the first these lawns have seen sharp blades in a very long time?

You replaces a mower with the same size and close in speed and expect us to beleave you cut 1/3 of you day shorter in time. I don't belive it!!!


I am not bashing Hustler. Just courious to these numbers.

[captdevo]

how's the super z doing????

cut your time in the apt. complex?


btw...what's a trany oil cooler? do you mean hydro cooler?

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by Floridalandcare
Will post after monday ,we do an appartment complex that takes about 2.5 hrs to cut and then ill tell you how the super Z cuts that much St Augistine.

Monday has gone and passed, where is the comparesent?

Still waiting for answers to my questions.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Did you buy 2 Super Z's or a Z and a Super Z?

I saw you've written Hustler Z's and Super Z's?

Which is it they are different mowers??????

On you "air" filters on you DC's you cleaned them every 25 hours?

[bob]

I won't give you a hard time. Congratulations on the purchase of 2 great machines!

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by bob
I won't give you a hard time.

From some of his other post, I can see he is full of cha cha.

By not answering the questions asked is proving it.

I am even reluctant to think he does not have any Dixies either.

In his profile he runs 2 crews of 4 people. So I assume that is 2 guys mowing and 2 trimming and blowing or whatever.

Best part of it all he claimes he cuts large estates. What the heck do you take a 60" ZTR and a 36" or 48" WB on a LARGE estate with 4 guys in a crew. He must have extened cab or crew cab trucks, becuase it is illegal to have 4 passengers in a reg cab truck. Now remember he said for back yards with the smaller mowers.

Your avg. run of the mill estate would most likely have a gate big enough to drive a semi through. If it is for say a swimming pool area, what the other 3 guys sit around with playing canasta while the other guy is still mowing.

IT just makes no sense.

3 guys should easily be able to mow say 25 acre lawns a day with some amount of travel time. More would be row houses.

Sorry man the claim is outragous. Cut our time by 1/3 Riiigghhtt!!!

The first part I asked what he is camparing to, did not answer, then gave more BS.:sleeping:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Floridalandcare /from Hustler forum
Those prices are alot more than what I paid for mine


You claim you bought both your mowers at MSRP.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?threadid=34216

Z 60" 23hp Kawa.I walked out the door with it with a suspension seat for 7682.36 thats including sales tax and their b.s admin fee.

Capt Devo, Sorry I didnt get back with you sooner,I didnt really know how to navigate through Lawnsite.com.But the dealer I deal with is ------------They sell at the MSRP but they are real new to this area and is the only Hustler dealer in the area .

Come on now stop pulling our chain, I didn't want to do this in their foeum so I brought it here since you don't want to answer.

You claim you bought a mower well under $2000 less than MSRP incuding TAX and the admin fee.

Hustler Z 23hp, 60" sus seat msrp $8845

What you tax is about 7.5%?

So your saying you dealer is selling mowers at very little over what he is buying them for?

I want to see pic's!!!! both Dixies and both Hustlers, all 9 guys incuding you wearing company uniforms, sporting that days newspaper, Trucks, trailers, etc............All in one photo.

Sorry dude but a new dealer is not going to sell mowers that cheap, and if they do they wont stay in biz very long. They gott a lot of bills and they have to pay rent, intrest. etc....

Now did you get the dealers name off that program off Showtime some years back?

[LAWNGODFATHER]

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?threadid=33915

Read to comfirm posts

Lets see here;

Hustler Mini Z 23hp Kaw 7195.00, with mulching kit, set up and delivered. I spoke to Dave over the phone and he gave me a slightly higher price.

msrp is $7795

Hummm that would mean Super Dave gave you tax, BS admin fee, suspension seat, and 8 more inches all for $487.36 more than the mini z.

A $500 seat, tax, BS admin fee, 8" more all for only $487.36?

Ooops I forgot bigger tires, rims, more steel to make mower with, more welds, more paint. more stickers, bigger blades, maybe bigger fuel tanks, all for $487.36 more.

But this guy says he was slightly higher on his prices.

[Shady Brook]

LG

I demo'd a Hustler a couple mo's ago, and was told by the dealer that he had a regular Z 23 I believe, no suspension seat for $6400! I was not real familiar with the mower, and talked to him a few days later when I had more sense, and it was gone. Apparently he had a leftover special model, or perhaps he was on crack... Not sure but that is what he told me.

Jay

[naturecoast]

I bought a super mini z from H&M mower in leesburg Fl for $6300 after tax came to $6741, 23 kaw 44", ordered on a monday delivered on a wednesday ,2003 model. I got the snall deck to fit thru into tight spots on my farm .I have 6 ac of gass to mow with 50+ trees.I sharpen the blades before each mow.Very uneven many obsticals takes 2 1/2 hrs compared to 10hrs with a snapper 14/33

[cos]

I think that cutting your productivity by 1/3 over a flatlander is just a little exagerated or misquoted. Buying 2 more z's when you already own 2 is really over extending yourself when you have two crews of 4 employees. Maybe the poster got a little excited about his purchase. LOL

[bjw]

Quoted this morning. North Ft. Myers brand new (.02 hours) unit with cannister air filter... Hustler z - 23 hp Kaw, 60" deck no suspension seat, delivered For $ 6995.00 Plus 6% sales tax

New Super z 25hp Kaw. (new filter) with 60" deck, susp. seat, 15mph. $ 7995.00 plus tax.

Only Hustler Dealer close to me at this point.

[marley]

LGF, work with me on this one. Maybe he is to busy to reply to you, especialy after he read some of your posts. What would he have to gain by lying to everyone on this site. When you say he is "full of cha cha" and "I'm not buying it"you are basically calling him a liar. I bet he read your posts on this and said to him self-not worth my time-

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
From some of his other post, I can see he is full of cha cha.

By not answering the questions asked is proving it.:


Put away your physics book, he can't answer the question, he just knows it works better. OOP's.................Some other guy used that line............Hmmmmmmmmm. It was "YOU"..... Mr. God Father. You've got a short memory.

[John Gamba]

I'm With Mike One This One :confused: How can You save One Third Over the same type Mower's:confused:
John

[Flex-Deck]

Golly - I really hate to say this after all the bashing I have been taking, BUT the truth of the matter is - Mount a Flex-Deck on you 60" ZTR and you will save 1/3 or more:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Is it true, does Floridalandcare have Flex-Decks on those Hustlers?

Come on Switchless keep up, that would be logic not physics.

marley; it can be fun when you can clearly see some one is full of the bull dung! BTW also I am calling him a liar not basiclly.

[darryl gesner]

LGF - Jeez, lighten up. I think you're way over the edge on this thread. I think posts like yours to Florida detract from this excellent site and make only make one look like a jerk. You've gotta have better things to do than bash another member with posts like this?

Darryl

[LAWNGODFATHER]

So does that differ from the 80+ e-mails I have gotten since my post last night? All agreeing.

Also why do people have to come here and post the bull dung like this thread?

BTW I brought it to this thread only, my reserchers found numerous threads he has posted lies in.

However I believe this is a 12-15 year old kid and is not the person he claims to be.

[darryl gesner]

Your researchers? :rolleyes: I have no opinon to post here publically on Florida, but I think it detracts from this site to engage in this sort of public interrogation. Why bother yourself obsessing over this kind of stuff? What a waste of bandwidth.

[Grasshog]

I can feel the love here.

I WANT A RESEARCH. WHERE CAN I GET ONE?

[Scag48]

Is it possible he is out mowing with his new Hustlers he has not had time to come on LS? Just a thought.

[darryl gesner]

Well, I've done a little research of my own, and I don't think LGF is who he says he is. I tried his web site link and got a message that said "invalid web address." Well, he claims to be 31 years old and have an Exmark WB. How in the world can a 31 year old be an invalid, and how can an invalid operate a WB mower? This just doesn't add up.

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER

Come on Switchless keep up, that would be logic not physics.

LGF,
The following is "your exact quote" to a previous question I asked you:

>> YOU DON'T READ VERY GOOD "You keep asking a question no one can answer."
IS THAT BLUNT ENOUGH?
Take those physics books back to the library before you hurt your self. That's what engine it came with dummy. Look at what is available as options on Exmarks site if you don't believe me.

Damn are you that dence?<<<


Now,
Here is my quote to you:

>>Put away your physics book, he can't answer the question, he just knows it works better. OOP's.................Some other guy used that line............Hmmmmmmmmm. It was "YOU"..... Mr. God Father. You've got a short memory.<<<

So, "who" has the short memory again???? Also, I quess the rules are, "you" can refuse to answer a question and call the person "Dence", OOP's, I mean "Dense". But when someone else does the same to you, they are BS'ing. Oh, and let's keep up....
Pete

[MacLawnCo]

LOL, thats too much :p

Scag48,
If florida cut his time 33% with one hustler Z, think how much extra time he has with that and a Super Z. He ought to only have to work about 33% of what he used to. With that much time, he ought to be able to answer us.

[HOMER]

WOW!

I've been away too long.

I think ya'll need a little time off----------cooler weather is on the way.

[StayStihl]

Ya'll ever thought about Stress classes, maybe even Tai Chi? Yea? me either... LMAO! this is too much.. We get a lesson on proper grammar, "BS" tactics, and The whole "Venting" process all rolled up in one post, not to mention technical aspects of a mower's capabilities. Man, ya gotta love this stuff!

Take care or something..

[yardman1]

This reminds me of the old posts that GARRY used to post.:dizzy:

[darryl gesner]

LGF - I guess I must be right since you won't answer my questions! :D

[Floridalandcare]

LGF, You must be as dumb as you look in the picture with the cigarettes sticking out of your mouth ,you look real proffesional(NOT) Ive already made you and Captdevo look like Dumbass's in questiong the prices of the machines Ive purchased.
I do not like you and I dont think anyone else does either regardless of what they tell you .And please tell me you use more thatn a 48 .
To the Moderator Im sorry I had to post this but Im sick of his bs.

[captdevo]

obviously he touched a nerve......

what is your beef with me? i asked you a couple questions on pricing and you come out with this!!!!

maybe there is truth to LGF's remarks!!

look back at some of your own threads...mighty contradicting....

btw....i'll be in Tampa for halloween, maybe we can do lunch.

(319) 372-MOWR

give me a call if we can meet up, it'll be my treat!

[Floridalandcare]

Originally posted by captdevo
obviously he touched a nerve......

what is your beef with me? i asked you a couple questions on pricing and you come out with this!!!!

maybe there is truth to LGF's remarks!!

look back at some of your own threads...mighty contradicting....

btw....i'll be in Tampa for halloween, maybe we can do lunch.

(319) 372-MOWR

give me a call if we can meet up, it'll be my treat!
Like I said I dont have any beef with you at all ,We were talking in Private Emails and you had to bring the Grand mother into it ,Well im sorry I involved you .I would love to have lunch with you I will contact you tommorrow ,And maybe we can put this whole thread away once and forall . And Ill take care of lunch It would be worth it for me . And plus you dont know Tampa

[captdevo]

crabby bills is just fine for me....barbq crab claws......:D

[Floridalandcare]

I have one (no lie 500yrds from my house )they just put it in .Ill call tommorrow with details.

[Floridalandcare]

Come on LGF ,I want you to have some kind of come back , I know youve seen this post . My researchers told me so ( yeah right) 48' GOOD ONE

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Now that I didn't get booted from good old American Off Line, I can post.

You are pretty un-comprehending, who's 52" mower does Flex-Deck post pitures of?

We will keep the researchers private.

BTW that would be one big mower at 48' <----FEET

Go back and reread your posts in this thread, 1/3 huh. 32 accounts in 1 day.

What are we comparing to? 1000 sq/ft lawns.

Get a Flex-Deck then there will be some beleif to what you have posted.

Other than no photo's shown and there are numerous of most of my equipment, there is no need to justify myself.

Sorry dude common sence took over, you haven't been consistant yet.

Also my spelling might suck, but I am sorry I was born with intelligance.

[Flex-Deck]

Wow: - Things do get heated up on this site!

Floridalawncare - I do not see how the same width deck of the same physical aspirations, (in your case a 60" deck on a midmount ZTR) can possibly cut 1/3 mowing time over the competitors - There are many good companies making many good midmount ZTR's with a 60" deck.

If you are comparing the mower you demoed to a 46" competitors deck, I could see where possibly it would be true.

You may have liked the ride better, or you may have liked the controls better, but I would bet that you could take the 10 top brands with identical 60" decks with a person on each that likes that machine, and you will all mow the same.

That of course does not take into account HP. You mentioned a 26HP engine - (A 26HP engine can only do so much with a 60" swath) depends upon how much you are mowing off - 1 foot? or 3 inches?

It is LGF's 52" eXmark WB that the Flex-Deck is on, and it does some things that you just have to be there to appreciate - I am not going to force this deal down your throat, but it does save a lot of trimming time and mowing time - BUT - We add 18" of width - Which brings us back to HP - HE has 22 HP running 70" -- When mowing off 3" of grass in a finish mowing operation that is enough - When mowing 1 foot tall grass, you had better lap out so you are only using about 45" of the mower.

Thanks, Bradhttp://52X

[John Gamba]

Brad
Where's Mike's Picture:blob4: :blob4: The One with The Cigaret hanging Out Of his mouth.
John:cool:

[Flex-Deck]

John Gamba - LOL - Lets see - That pic was of me with my head cut off - Here is one of LGF with his cut off - Seems to prove that neither one of us has any brains, or maybe we all have brains and use them in different ways :cool: :) http://36X

[P&J Lawncare]

Flex-deck you can't be serious when you say that the top ten mowers with 60 inch decks all would mow in the same time frame. My super z is definately 1/3 faster on my accounts than my turf tigers and I would bet you anything that if you put each of the top 10 mowers on 20 acres and started them at the same time there would be a big difference in time between the 10 top brands. Flex-deck how much do you want to bet, how about a flex-deck against my $1200 better yet my $1400 (that way you can install it for me).

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by P&amp;J Lawncare
. My super z is definitely 1/3 faster on my accounts than my turf tigers and I would bet you anything that if you put each of the top 10 mowers on 20 acres and started them at the same time there would be a big difference in time between the 10 top brands.

For some reason certain people can't comprehend mowers are not created equal, even with the same deck size. Obviously though, the attempt to say "if" they had the same deck, motor, wheels, and etc. they would cut the same, is also ridiculous since at that point, they "would" be the same machine.
Riders to riders, is no different from comparing WB's to WB's, and when comparing WB's to each other, even the newbie’s realize there's a big difference among them.
Finally, the original post which started this excuse for "another" flexdeck ad, made the suggestion that the owner was able to save "ABOUT" 1/3 the time. AND, "about" has many implications and is based on "personal perception", not cold hard facts.
I don't mean bump the Flexdeck guy, but if every other manufacturer did what is done with the FD there'd be no room for normal posting. Come on Brad, I know you mean well, but it's really time to take a breather. After all, isn't that the reason for a FD website.
Thanks,
Pete

[John Gamba]

P&j
Are You talking about a Older tiger Or One with the advantage deck. And if you talking about the New tiger How is your Super Z That Much faster!.
Brad thank you. I Now can go mowing:blob3: :blob3:

[Shady Brook]

Tiger vs. Super Z is a no contest. Tiger's max speed is 10 while the Super is 15 which makes it 50% faster to begin with. Once you engage the blades on a Tiger driven by a drive shaft you loose even more speed. I had a suped up walkbehind that probably mowed around 7, and the Tiger was barely, and I mean barely faster when cutting. From my demo's with the Hustler Z's, they cut cleaner at a higher speed then the Tiger. Many other variables come into play which may make a differnce in how you determine if one mower is 1/3 faster or not. From my experience, if you were mowing huge areas, where you could fly and the grass was showing normal growth, I bet the Super would cut more then 1/3 off your time. That is my opinion.

Jay

[darryl gesner]

LGF - Sorry you missed the humor in my last post. Would you like me to explain it to you?

There is something wrong with your web site. It don't work.

[Just Turned Pro]

I can't believe that I just read all of this bickering....

[Dan1944]

Yep believe it , you and I both did.

Dan the lawn care man

Quote
RK (dateline LA) "Can't we all just get along"

[P&J Lawncare]

John
I have the older deck style but I have used the new advantage deck and it doesn't change the mower that much, plus the speed of the new scags are the same as my older turf tigers. I know that it is hard to believe but the super z is that much better than the turf tiger. You should arrange for a demo and see for yourself because I was skeptic myself until I demo'd a super z for a day (I saved me a couple of man hours the first day).

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by Just Turned Pro
I can't believe that I just read all of this bickering....

Bickering.... Please define that word....:D I'm just having more fun than playing "Freecell"........ Bickering is something I do with my wife. Though all the BS there is actually some helpful information. However, those that understand things have an easy time... those that think they know, don't understand and add more falsehoods to the question..... those wish they knew just ask more questions...... those that do know can't be bothered by trying to help those that think they know....... those that understand "and" know, Bicker.... Oh what a fun time;) ;) ;)

[John Gamba]

Thank You P&j
I'm not a tiger fan. i do own Lazers with the 26FI Kohlers. They Are A Big difference To the older gravelys that i Used before.
How do You think They (Super Z) Compares to the Lazers?
John

[mowerconsultant]

John,
When can I come out and show you the differences from your Lazer to my Super ?
I will be glad to drop a unit for a day with you while I am working in your area.
I am tied up for a couple of weeks but after that I can schedule some time in for a demo for you.
I would really like for you to use the unit for a entire day and compare it to a entire days work with your Exmark, and let us know yur thoughts and opinion.
I do not have a Kohler EFI (yet....he he he) but I will bring out a 25 Kawi 60" Super Z, the same unit that I brought out for P&J Lawncare for a entire days worth of work.

I will offer this demo to anyone here in my territory, and I can arrange a demo for anyone else also, through another rep.

Later
Pj

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by darryl gesner
LGF - Sorry you missed the humor in my last post. Would you like me to explain it to you?

There is something wrong with your web site. It don't work. I don't want it to work, unless you want to pay the hosting fee's for me?

The original thread was he cut 1/3 of his time from Dixie Chopper Flatlanders (13mph +/-) and went to a Hustler Z (10 +/-) and a Super Z (15 +/-) He went with one that is SLOWER, and one that is a bit faster. Mathamaticly he is now slower.

Now you think about this?

Also he was done by 4pm, where is all the info to campare against, that was what was asked along time ago.

As it stands, this is probably a 15 year old kid, he even claims he cleans or replaces his air filters on his DC's every 25 hours. Right there should show he doesn't have them, they have Donaldson air cleaners. 25 hours is way to extreme to clean air filters on DC's and that he don't live in a "dust bowl" like he says I do. 25 hours is also way to extreme to change your oil on DC's. Hell it hasn't even changed colors yet.

I am not bashing on Hustler, I don't see nnumbers that add up, he has been unconsistant in most of his posts.

[John Gamba]

Thank you Pj
I'm Going to take you Up on that In the spring. grass is Not growing Very well Now. I do like The 26FI Very Much. i heard that You Might have The 26 Or The 28 FI For 03. That's the one's i would conceder.
Oh How Big Is the clutch On the super?
PJ I Just Was thinking I Do have a Lawn That i had a Hard time with today. It is a Mixture Of Cool season And Warm Season Grasses. I Can get Some Speed On This Lawn To see how It cut's and a Little Hill To try It on. The Lazer Climes Very Well.
If you Can Get a hold Of Jimmy At Bachler In East Winsor. Maybe He Will have One For me Next Thursday. The lawn Does grow And It just got Fert And a Inch Of rain. Then i can See Before spring.
Tell Jimmy I Will pay for hours on the mower. It shoul Only be about an Hour.
Thank you very much
John Gamba Lawnone ct.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by Floridalandcare
I do not like you

To the Moderator Im sorry I had to post this but Im sick of his bs.

Aww I am hurt, you don't like me anymore cause I BUSTED you in your lies?:angel:

[mowerconsultant]

No need to pay for hours on a demo unit.
I will call Jim Monday am and see what he has for demo units.
I would like to demo a unit for you personally, so I can meet you in person.
E-mail me to set something up
hustler@twcny.rr.com

Later
Pj

[John Gamba]

Pj
I'm going To send You a Picture Or two Of the Lawn. Iam Busy This Week. If i am Able to Get the mower I Will only have Or need it for about Two hours. the Lawn Is In bloomfield Ct just Down The road From jimmy's. If Posible I Could see you Thursday morning. It's Important to Do the mowing This thursday . We Are Running out Of Time.
John

[Flex-Deck]

P -J and switchless - I guess I do not know what a turf tiger is compared to a super Z - I assume they are both 60" decks - I also assume they are fairly close in HP. Like in the 25 HP range.

I will also assume that you mow ground as rough as I and most of the people on this site mow

I have seen a number of posts that have commented that 15mph is only worthwhile when driving down the blacktop road to get back to your trailer.

I will also assume that we are going to be mowing more than 1" off the top of the grass.

I will also assume quality of cut is considered -

With that in mind, I have the yard and the mower available - show up and lets go - Thanks, Brad

[Flex-Deck]

P&J - do you one better - I will take my 22 HP JD 455 with a 60" Main deck double bladed with gators on top and Dixies on the bottom, and the Flex-Deck single bladed with a gator which I will admitt is a 78" swath, and take you on with any of your ZTR 60's - don't care if you have 25 HP. - Where do you live?

[marley]

You will get smoked.

[mowerconsultant]

P&J Lawncare lives in Oregon Ohio, it is a suburb outside of Toledo Ohio.
Brad let me know when your gonna be there I will meet you there too, if it is during the week of course.
We can demo on his biggest account, where I demonstrated the 60" Super Z that he later bought.
I would like to see this competition your setting up.

Later
Pj

[mowerconsultant]

Heck,
I will pickup Pete (Switchless) and his wb's and bring him with me....(if he wants of course)

[Flex-Deck]

All these claims about how fast grass can be mowed basically boils down to HP - If one is happy with his particular brand, be it a Z, front mount, or anything else and thinks it is doing the big 1/3 faster, then he is a happy camper, and is happy with his product.

There are a lot of good products out there, and any of you that are happy with what you have - go for it.

I would just ask that when you start making statements about some tremendous advantages a mower may have - that the statements come from comparisons of equal machines, not only in width, but also HP. Have a feeling sometimes a New 60" gets compared to an old underpowered 52" etc. Usually there is no mention of the previous machine used.

Thanks, Brad

PS - P&J - Since the ZTR's have been toted as to having such an advantage - and since I am putting up the deck, you come to my back yard. - That would be SE Iowa, just North of Burlington.

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by mowerconsultant
Heck,
I will pickup Pete (Switchless) and his wb's and bring him with me....(if he wants of course)
Now you're talking..... Hey, can we mow everything backwards, too??? :p

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Hold the fort...................:alien:

Pete/Switchless brings his WB I want in, hell I will bet my WB w/FD against his.

Do I get to modify mine to match what he has done with his, mine is bone stock but with a FD, and nelson air cleaner?

You up for this Petey?????????????:blob1:

Lets see you post it, that will make it binding in court........!

[KirbysLawn]

Wow. Hard to understand how you guys have time to debate all this right now.:dizzy:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by KirbysLawn
Wow. Hard to understand how you guys have time to debate all this right now.:dizzy: Employees' are wonderful.

[Administrator]

I had 3 full time employees and at any given point I bet I was twice as busy. (even if I was not mowing) Always seemed something needed attention.

Just a reminder folks....

I see a lot of thead/discussion flaming going on. This is not appreciated and needs to STOP!

"Flame: 1. vi. To post an email message intended to insult and provoke. 2. vi. To speak incessantly and/or rabidly on some relatively uninteresting subject or with a patently ridiculous attitude. 3. vt. Either of senses 1 or 2, directed with hostility at a particular person or people. 4. n. An instance of flaming, as when a discussion degenerates into useless controversy."

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Does this mean switchless is off the hook for the show down?

[marley]

I have belonged to this site for a few months now and have gotten boat loads of useful info on it, as I think most of us still do. I also have read countless threads that turn into a -my mower is better than yours- debate. Perhaps with your influence you could get the manufactures to hold mower showdowns in a controled envirorment. As far as I know nobody is doing that. The talkin' bout my gear colum is the closest thing we have to that. those are great to read but hardly a comparison. Equaly matched brand new equipment, proffesional operaters, equal conditions. Post the results (hard data) along with the opions of the operaters. Car and truck mags have been doing this for years. Maybe someday the outdooor power equipment world will do it to.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by marley
I have belonged to this site for a few months now and have gotten boat loads of useful info on it, as I think most of us still do. I also have read countless threads that turn into a -my mower is better than yours- debate. Perhaps with your influence you could get the manufactures to hold mower showdowns in a controled envirorment. As far as I know nobody is doing that. The talkin' bout my gear colum is the closest thing we have to that. those are great to read but hardly a comparison. Equaly matched brand new equipment, proffesional operaters, equal conditions. Post the results (hard data) along with the opions of the operaters. Car and truck mags have been doing this for years. Maybe someday the outdooor power equipment world will do it to.

Wont happen!!!

Turf Mag has tried and tried, they just wont put up!!!

So far Gravely has showed interest, but not many others.

[Administrator]

I just think people need to worry more about their companies than which mower is the fastest... bottom line, demo each unit your particular dealer offers and purchase the one that best suits your needs.

Car and truck mags are hobby magazines.... guys pouring their funds into big TOYS.

[marley]

Thanks for the info. You guys really got me thinking about mower shoot outs. Maybe someday if were lucky they will happen. We should jam all the major manufactures with e-mails about how we want it to happen If it ever did become a reality, guys like us would be the winners. I think they would really have to raise the bar even farther to compete with each other. It would become a space race and we would win because of their better quality and higher performance.....maybe someday...............

[marley]

Believe me. Sitting at home with a broken collar bone I have had plenty of time to think about my company. And this site has helped me greatly. Speed would be only one of the many parts of the evaluation of the equipment.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

I agree 100% with you marley. Problem is most of the MFG don't want to be shown up, or loose. A controlled inviroment doesn't always mean that would be a good testing ground.

Also most of the mowers out there are not created equil, some look identical, but are so different. Some are the same size but can do things others can't. Some cut grass species better than others. Some go faster, some look cooler. Some cut better at different heights. Some use different componated.

So many veriables.

Chuck, toys are fun!! Does this mean many of us have TOYS? (mowers)

The man or worman who dies with the most toys wins.

[KirbysLawn]

Well I have a Super Z , with the new filter system I can pop a wheelie and go 15 mph. So what good does that do me? None. My lawn is too thick to mow at even 10 mph.

[marley]

"cars and trucks are hobby mags".........some are. I am talking about the ones that feature bone stock brand new stuff. Right now the motocross mags are comparing alll the new '03 bikes in shoot outs. These are bone stock machines.

[P&J Lawncare]

Flex-deck you said that all the top 10 brands with 60 inch decks were the same time wise but if you want to bring your john deere with a flex-deck (you better mount one on each side so you have a chance) then lets go for it. I never commented on this thread previously because I didn't think that a regular z could cut down your time by 1/3 compared to the dixie chopper but once flex-deck said that basically all mowers are the same time wise I thought that it was important to challenge that statement. I know for a fact that their are mowers in the market that are much better than others and for someone, especially someone who is part of this site (manufactorers forum) to say that all mowers are basically the same as long as they have the same size deck and horse power makes no sense to me. To answer the question about how does the super z compare to the exmark, I believe that they are both great mowers and I would take either one in a heart beat but for me the super z was the choice because I have large commercial accounts (one is over 200 acres) and the super z was the better mower due to it's speed over the exmark everything else was about equal but if I did just residentials then it would of been a tougher decision because my exmark dealer is 5 minutes away and the hustler dealer is 45 minutes away. I will probably regret this but for once I totally agree with LGF about his statement that every mower has their pluses and minuses. The only way that you could ever have a true competition is if some of us (lawnsite members) got to together with our mowers to test them against each other. I have the perfect site to do this if anyone is truly interested. The site has a cemetary with over 200 headstones on it and none of them are level with each other, the site also has fields that are over 50 acres and the site also has sections that are full of buildings and landscaping so that we could throughly test every aspect of our mowers.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

That's what my entire argument is over, the thread starter claimed he replaces similar mowers, and cut 1/3 of his time off.

Well one slower and one faster, but you get the point.

[bridges]

This thread should of been closed a long time ago. Now we have three or four threads like this. Fun reading thou