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PLS-Tx
10-28-2010, 12:50 AM
This is not to discuss advantages/disadvantages of box trucks, if you want to do that do it in the other thread please.

We plan to get a box truck for our mowing route so I would like to try and learn more about them.

What do you think is a good size box? Most of them I see around here are 12', our enclosed is 20' and is too small sometimes. :confused:

What is a good brand?

Where are good places to find good used box trucks?

I think I want a gas truck but would we be better off with diesel truck?

Anything else I should think about?

Thanks

Fresh_Cut
10-28-2010, 02:45 AM
Ok, here is my advice.

Get a 14' or better with a dovetail ramp. The dovetail will be an additional 4' so even a 14' will become an 18'. You can use those extra 4 feet for things like debris hauling at the end of the day, a 30 gallon trash can for those properties on main roads that have a lot of trash, to sit your blowers (since they are usually the last to get used at a property), anything you can think of putting there that you wouldn't mind being exposed to wind, prying eyes, and possibly rain.

The ramp would also make a 16' box into a 20'er. Think about it. That's a lot to consider when backing up.

I used to be a die-hard GM man, then I met a colleague that's also in the biz and he likes GM looks but swears by FORD's reliability (of their trucks only). It is true, Ford trucks are made different than their cars. Completely different ball of wax. So that had something to do with opening my mind to looking at FORDs.

When I was looking for trucks I looked at about 3 or 4. GMC savannah 3500, Ford E350, Isuzu NPR, chevy 3500 (with van body front).

The chevy had a dovetail, but was running hot when I met the guy at the gas station to check it out. He had been just sitting in it with the engine and a/c running. :confused: Doesn't explain why it was running hot, but it did make me weary of it. Also, it had a good amount of miles, maybe 150k, on the same engine that I had in my pickup truck that I had just wrecked. I knew it was about time for certain things to go bad on it, namely the intake gasket starts to leak internally, etc.

The Isuzu NPR diesel was just more than I had at the time, I had totaled my pickup and was waiting on insurance check and the guy selling it was about to be deployed and was trying to sell fast. It had a dovetail.

The GMC was being sold by a small dealer, the kind that doesn't have a lot. He just buys and sells via newspaper/internet ads. It had no dovetail or liftgate. It was solid but more than I had at the time and had high miles on the exact kind of gas engine that I in my pickup truck. I knew what it was in store for if it hadn't been taken care of.

The Ford, I was able to talk the guy down on. I didn't know it at the time, but he didn't take good care of it at all and he only had the truck for 11 months. The owner previous to him had done some good stuff to it. I could tell that the engine had some work done on it and had new parts. It had 206k on it when I bought it but some of the stuff under the hood looked new. Like <10k new. The radiator had been replaced, hoses, heads looked clean with no underhood soot or grime. So I bought it.

In hindsight, I should have gotten a diesel. The mileage is a world of difference. Yeah, people say that diesel fuel costs more, but you get more for the money you spend. The maintenance is different and they generally last anywhere from 300k-500k. If you find one that's even been taken care of moderately and has less than 200k, it's got plenty life left in it.
I really like the Isuzu NPR's
I found all the ones I looked at on craigslist and autotrader. There are some good deals out there if you know what you want.

If you're handy with putting things together and have the time and tools to do it you may want to look into buying an Isuzu NPR cab & chassis and buying a box w/ dovetail separately. I've seen just a dovetail for sail on craigslist for $1k. It was just sitting on the ground like someone had taken it off of a boxtruck because they didn't want it. And I've seen a 16' box with a dovetail for sale on craigslist for $1k, it, too, was just sitting on the ground. They had just taken the whole box including dovetail off the chassis.

Fresh_Cut
10-28-2010, 02:50 AM
Otherwise, just look for a cheap diesel that already has a dovetail.

I've found that when buying stuff used, its cheaper to buy it all in one piece as opposed to buying a $5,500 truck and paying $1800 to have a dovetail installed.

I'd rather just look for a $5,000 truck that already has a dovetail.

PLS-Tx
10-28-2010, 10:02 PM
I saw this box truck today, not sure of the length but I sure do like that side door.

It had a Power stroke.

I may go with a dove tail ramp but what I really want is one like the SLT, I will see if I can find a pic of one.

If I do go dove tail I can't see putting anything on the ramp on a regular basis. I would not want to move something out of the way at every stop.

fastlane
10-31-2010, 11:14 PM
I use a stepvan. 16' behind the partition with a sliding door. 6'8'' inside with a 7' wide roll up rear door. 60''z- 48''wb 21'' pm + all the hand helds and tools. Easy to park. Portable garage, bathroom, and everything is locked up. 10.000 gross so you don't need med card. Driven less than 100 miles a week so fuel is not a factor

PLS-Tx
10-31-2010, 11:38 PM
I use a stepvan. 16' behind the partition with a sliding door. 6'8'' inside with a 7' wide roll up rear door. 60''z- 48''wb 21'' pm + all the hand helds and tools. Easy to park. Portable garage, bathroom, and everything is locked up. 10.000 gross so you don't need med card. Driven less than 100 miles a week so fuel is not a factor

Is it gas, any pics?

gasracer
11-01-2010, 01:58 PM
I have been looking at buying a box truck also. I want the stepdown side door like the one in the pic on the passenger side.There is also one called the "vanscaper" it is a box truck with a dovetail made in the floor of the box and the only thing outside is the ramps. Another option is finding one of the companies that make a 2' dovetail with 7' ramps. The SLT stuff is way out of price range. They want over $20,000 just for a box and supply the chassis. The big hydro. ranp they sale is about $10,000.

PLS-Tx
11-01-2010, 06:03 PM
I have been looking at buying a box truck also. I want the stepdown side door like the one in the pic on the passenger side.There is also one called the "vanscaper" it is a box truck with a dovetail made in the floor of the box and the only thing outside is the ramps. Another option is finding one of the companies that make a 2' dovetail with 7' ramps. The SLT stuff is way out of price range. They want over $20,000 just for a box and supply the chassis. The big hydro. ranp they sale is about $10,000.

I agree on the SLT being way too pricey. I would love to have one I just can't see spending that kind of money for one.

I would like to find one that has a side door and a ramp where all I would need to do is put racks and shelves and it would be ready to go.

olde_blue
11-01-2010, 09:02 PM
I use a stepvan. 16' behind the partition with a sliding door. 6'8'' inside with a 7' wide roll up rear door. 60''z- 48''wb 21'' pm + all the hand helds and tools. Easy to park. Portable garage, bathroom, and everything is locked up. 10.000 gross so you don't need med card. Driven less than 100 miles a week so fuel is not a factor

I was wondering, with a step van, how do you get the mowers over the wheel wells (step vans usually have wheel wells which intrude on the cargo area).

I was thinking about step vans because you can get them with Cummings 4BT's and manual transmissions, not to mention the no-rust aluminum body.

fastlane
11-01-2010, 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by fastlane
I use a stepvan. 16' behind the partition with a sliding door. 6'8'' inside with a 7' wide roll up rear door. 60''z- 48''wb 21'' pm + all the hand helds and tools. Easy to park. Portable garage, bathroom, and everything is locked up. 10.000 gross so you don't need med card. Driven less than 100 miles a week so fuel is not a factor

Is it gas, any pics?
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It's gas. 9 mpg No pics. looks like a white FedX truck.

PLS-Tx
11-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by fastlane
I use a stepvan. 16' behind the partition with a sliding door. 6'8'' inside with a 7' wide roll up rear door. 60''z- 48''wb 21'' pm + all the hand helds and tools. Easy to park. Portable garage, bathroom, and everything is locked up. 10.000 gross so you don't need med card. Driven less than 100 miles a week so fuel is not a factor

Is it gas, any pics?
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It's gas. 9 mpg No pics. looks like a white FedX truck.

9mpg is what I get with my Cummins pullin my 20' enclosed trailer.

The 60" ztr fits between the wheel wells?

threeleafllc
11-03-2010, 06:56 PM
my guys love the box truck..Its super easy to train the driver on and it hardly ever gets damaged like our crews with trucks and trailers.
hers a picture of ours

gasracer
11-03-2010, 07:19 PM
9mpg is what I get with my Cummins pullin my 20' enclosed trailer.

The 60" ztr fits between the wheel wells?

Floor in the Isuzu style trucks are made above the tires. I would want a side door on the passenger side.

joey7599
11-03-2010, 07:46 PM
does anyone put mowers in there box trucks

gasracer
11-03-2010, 08:00 PM
does anyone put mowers in there box trucks
That is the point of the dovetail and ramps.

PLS-Tx
11-04-2010, 01:39 AM
my guys love the box truck..Its super easy to train the driver on and it hardly ever gets damaged like our crews with trucks and trailers.
hers a picture of ours

That is a VERY nice box truck!!!!! That is what I want.

What size is the box?
Did it come with the dove tail or you added it?
Did you buy it new or used?
Can you fit 2 ztr's in it?
Is it gas or diesel?
What kind of mpg are getting with it?

Thanks

PLS-Tx
11-04-2010, 01:41 AM
Floor in the Isuzu style trucks are made above the tires. I would want a side door on the passenger side.

I was refering to the step van.

Fresh_Cut
11-04-2010, 01:55 AM
you still up?

Fresh_Cut
11-04-2010, 01:59 AM
That is a VERY nice box truck!!!!! That is what I want.

What size is the box?
Did it come with the dove tail or you added it?
Did you buy it new or used?
Can you fit 2 ztr's in it?
Is it gas or diesel?
What kind of mpg are getting with it?

Thanks

I can answer a few of those myself because I know a little from looking at 'em for sale...

his is a diesel..if you look under the driver's side windshield wiper it has a decal that says "TURBO Intercooled".

It appears to be at least 14' from looking at it and, speaking as an owner of a 14'er, yes, you can fit 2 zero turns on it. I will add that you have to be mindful of your floor space. I recommend utilizing the wall space as best as possible when you get one. Not just for trimmers & edgers, but for blowers, sprayers, etc. as well

Fresh_Cut
11-04-2010, 02:00 AM
That is a VERY nice box truck!!!!! That is what I want.

What size is the box?
Did it come with the dove tail or you added it?
Did you buy it new or used?
Can you fit 2 ztr's in it?
Is it gas or diesel?
What kind of mpg are getting with it?

Thanks

This is what I really wanna know!

gasracer
11-04-2010, 08:08 AM
That is a VERY nice box truck!!!!! That is what I want.

What size is the box?
Did it come with the dove tail or you added it?
Did you buy it new or used?
Can you fit 2 ztr's in it?
Is it gas or diesel?
What kind of mpg are getting with it?

Thanks
The gas ones have a Chevy 350 V-8 and the diesel ones have a turbo 4 cylinder or the extended cabs have a turbo straight 6 cylinder. There are dealers all over that get fleet turn in's that still have a lot of life left in them.Find a shop that builds Landscape beds or have a dovetail installed on a box truck(roll up door style) for about $1,600.
Most are about 8' wide so you can fit a large mower and a smaller one side by side.

threeleafllc
11-04-2010, 08:18 PM
its a 16ft box
We bought the truck used and had the ramp put on
we fit 2 toro grandstands and a toro ztr
the rider wont fit with the bagger when the 2 others are in there thats our only down fall i really need an 18ft for our commercial rig thats still running a trailer
im not sure on mpg i would have to check that trucks fleet card when i get to the office in the morn
i just drove by the dealership today and they have 2 sitting out there

T-Made
11-04-2010, 08:34 PM
I bought two trucks from Aaron's Rental. They send their trucks to Commerce, Ga . I bought one with 60k miles and one with 48k -- both are isuzu diesels 14 ft. box and I added a 4 ft. dovetail ramp. I lock it up when we eat lunch and at night. Equipment stays dry and I can fit everything I need in their including ext. ladder and eight footer.

johnclave
11-08-2010, 11:44 PM
hi i saw this box truck its 17 foot diesel truck "FORD F350 Chassis " hope this will help you some months back i bought FORD LNT9000 and its good ford is a good brand to choose.:)

PLS-Tx
11-09-2010, 06:41 AM
Thanks for all the info, I really starting to think about getting a box truck this winter.

If I do I may sell my Dodge 2500 and 8.5x20 enclosed trailer then buy a cheaper 1/2 ton truck.

I wish I would have bought one when I bought the enclosed trailer about 5 years ago.

I have found two so far, one is an 07 Isuzu cab over with 30k miles, gas with a dovetail, it's $26,900. Not sure what size box, I would need to call.

The other is a 04 GMC 6.0 gas, 110k miles, 16' box with dovetail, it's $11,200.

gasracer
11-09-2010, 08:10 AM
Just a rule to remember buying one of these trucks is mileage expectancy
Gas motor 150,000
4 cylinder diesel 300,000
6 cylinder diesel 400,000 plus
All the GMC versions are re branded Isuzu's with the same motors.

I know I wouldn't drive one more than 5,000 miles a year a used one would last me a lifetime. I would like to find one with ramps only in the back or the 2ft dovetail to keep the length as short as I could.

gasracer
11-09-2010, 08:21 AM
Here is a local truck I like.

Fresh_Cut
11-09-2010, 12:13 PM
Thanks for all the info, I really starting to think about getting a box truck this winter.

If I do I may sell my Dodge 2500 and 8.5x20 enclosed trailer then buy a cheaper 1/2 ton truck.

I wish I would have bought one when I bought the enclosed trailer about 5 years ago.

I have found two so far, one is an 07 Isuzu cab over with 30k miles, gas with a dovetail, it's $26,900. Not sure what size box, I would need to call.

The other is a 04 GMC 6.0 gas, 110k miles, 16' box with dovetail, it's $11,200.

Why both gas? What you got against diesel?

You will get better fuel mileage, better maintenance, and more miles out of a diesel.

PLS-Tx
11-09-2010, 01:00 PM
Why both gas? What you got against diesel?

You will get better fuel mileage, better maintenance, and more miles out of a diesel.

My Dodge 2500 is diesel, maintenance cost seem to be more.

Not sure what you mean by better maintenance.

gasracer
11-09-2010, 02:54 PM
I have driven the Isuzu diesel trucks and the small 4 cylinder with a turbo needs a few more ponies under the hood when you get them loaded. I think some of them are rated between 175 and 190 hp. The big 6 is 275. The gas models have Chevy V-8, 350 and 400 in them.
My local shop had one with the 6.0(383) gas motor int it. I test drove it for 30 minutes and was very impressed.

PLS-Tx
11-09-2010, 03:19 PM
I spoke with a dealer today, he said the gas trucks get 7-11mph and diesel trucks get 9-15mpg.

He also said some guys get 300k with the gas 6.0.

What do you guys think?

gasracer
11-09-2010, 03:45 PM
I spoke with a dealer today, he said the gas trucks get 7-11mph and diesel trucks get 9-15mpg.

He also said some guys get 300k with the gas 6.0.

What do you guys think?

I disagree with him but like everything else you take good care of it it will last you a long time.

Fresh_Cut
11-09-2010, 06:50 PM
I'm for diesel all the way. I'm eager to see what the fuel mileage will be when I buy one.

I already have a gas box truck, Ford E350 w/ 5.4L and it has horrible fuel mileage.

I'd love to have a truck that gets 14-15 mpg when loaded with all my light equipment.

PLS-Tx
11-09-2010, 10:41 PM
Well, he was a salesman. :laugh::laugh:

I would love to get 14-15mpg also, sure would beat the 9mpg I'm getting now with my Dodge 6.7 pulling an enclosed trailer.

PLS-Tx
11-10-2010, 11:56 AM
I disagree with him but like everything else you take good care of it it will last you a long time.

Thanks for the links on the other thread. Here is one I found on one of those links. I like everything about it except the price.

http://www.usedtruckstogo.com/component/tlsautos/?task=detail&id=30469

gasracer
11-10-2010, 12:28 PM
Thanks for the links on the other thread. Here is one I found on one of those links. I like everything about it except the price.

http://www.usedtruckstogo.com/component/tlsautos/?task=detail&id=30469


Check this place.
http://ameri-trucksales.com/component/option,com_autostand/Itemid,180/

I have talked to them on the phone and they will custom build whatever you want and ship it to you.

PLS-Tx
11-13-2010, 12:16 AM
I really like this one, I think someone may have posted a pic of one somewhat like it.

Seems like it would be better than having a dovetail hanging 2 or 4' off the back.

http://www.supremecorp.com/supreme.php?page=product&body=landscaping&product=30

gasracer
11-13-2010, 08:19 AM
I really like this one, I think someone may have posted a pic of one somewhat like it.

Seems like it would be better than having a dovetail hanging 2 or 4' off the back.

http://www.supremecorp.com/supreme.php?page=product&body=landscaping&product=30

I really like those but they are hard to find used. A local lawn shop has one that they use for a service truck.

PLS-Tx
11-20-2010, 12:53 PM
I really like those but they are hard to find used. A local lawn shop has one that they use for a service truck.

These guys will make one for about 5-6k, I think, that's just the box. I don't see any pics on their site but I called and they said they can build one with the dovetail in the box.

http://www.conyerscorp.com/dovetail.htm

I found this truck for $11k, 04 GMC, gas, 110k miles, 16' box with 4' dovetail and ramp.

http://www.truck-n-trailer.com/inventory/bigpicture.asp?ID=2374651

Looks like a good deal to me, what do you guys think? Anyone know anything about this place?

gasracer
11-20-2010, 02:00 PM
Here is a local company that also makes them.
http://www.wil-ro.com/content/landscpae_truc/van_body_doveta.asp

MrRob
11-20-2010, 04:03 PM
is there another option similar to the super lawn trucks hydraulic design? I think the dovetail on the back of a box truck looks bad.

PLS-Tx
11-21-2010, 12:55 AM
These guys will make one for about 5-6k, I think, that's just the box. I don't see any pics on their site but I called and they said they can build one with the dovetail in the box.

http://www.conyerscorp.com/dovetail.htm

I found this truck for $11k, 04 GMC, gas, 110k miles, 16' box with 4' dovetail and ramp.

http://www.truck-n-trailer.com/inventory/bigpicture.asp?ID=2374651

Looks like a good deal to me, what do you guys think? Anyone know anything about this place?

Can someone give me some input on the GMC for 11K in the second link, is this a good deal?

cclllc
11-21-2010, 05:43 PM
I'd like to see some setups looking inside the box.I'm thinking of getting a box truck very soon myself.

TimNNJ
02-19-2011, 05:22 PM
Hey I just bought myself a isuzu with a 15' box on it...it has the hydro lift on it...I don't think I can fab it up to get my 60zt up ...I talked to a local fab guy and he said it would cost about 4k to have a dovetail built on it...sounds a but high

gasracer
02-19-2011, 05:35 PM
Do a internet search for companies that make Landscape beds..I know one is Wil-Row.Most also sale just dovetails. You can get a whole open landscape bed for around $5,000.

tasser
02-19-2011, 11:10 PM
take a look at the vanscaper made by suprme corp has dove tail built in ramp will seal the door up with out have to pull door down has a side door also only thing make sure and get a bed long enought to care everything u need