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rcreech
11-06-2010, 07:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

MarcSmith
11-06-2010, 07:20 AM
mod move to political area

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 09:10 AM
I guess now that has passed we can see whats in it. We are screwed.

phasthound
11-06-2010, 09:22 AM
I am tired of hearing extremest viewpoints from either side.

We need to work together to solve anything.

Ric
11-06-2010, 12:59 PM
RCreech

You don't know how happy I am to hear Doctors will have their income limited by Obamacare. I mean after all why should my Daughter make all kinds of money now that she has only spend 20 years of her life getting the education to be a specialist. BTW at Daddies Expense


I guess now that has passed we can see whats in it. We are screwed.

thomsoutdoor

Seems they left out the Hail Hitler salute at the end. However I would be interested in the End of Life treatment that the government mandates in this bill. Seem to open the door to Euthanizing our seniors. In fact limits set on individual and family treatment costs seem to indicate they won't cover any serious or major illness. Look at Canada where they let people with a major illness die.

The Tea Party spoke on Tuesday and the Wicked Witch of the West might not be dead but her broom was broken into Grid Lock. Prohibition was reversed and so will Obamacare. In the mean time so many will not follow the law that there will be no way to enforce it completely.

JD2320
11-06-2010, 01:51 PM
I am tired of hearing extremest viewpoints from either side.

We need to work together to solve anything.

Agreed.

:usflag:

JD2320
11-06-2010, 01:55 PM
Seems they left out the Hail Hitler salute at the end. Seem to open the door to Euthanizing our seniors. In fact limits set on individual and family treatment costs seem to indicate they won't cover any serious or major illness. Look at Canada where they let people with a major illness die.

The Tea Party spoke on Tuesday and the Wicked Witch of the West might not be dead but her broom was broken into Grid Lock.

This is the extremist thinking, lying and crap that's ruining and polluting our country and system of Government. Not trying to provide health care to all citizens.

rcreech
11-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Can someone please share with me some positives of Govt healthcare?

I think we should all work together...that is a no brainer, but we can't!

It is really sad!

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 04:39 PM
I am tired of hearing extremest viewpoints from either side.

We need to work together to solve anything.

and how will you go about doing that?

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 04:47 PM
This is the extremist thinking, lying and crap that's ruining and polluting our country and system of Government. Not trying to provide health care to all citizens.

do you also include non citizens? also how much of "your" paycheck are you willing to set aside to pay for someone Else's health care? You do realize its not free health care don't you?

JD2320
11-06-2010, 04:51 PM
Can someone please share with me some positives of Govt healthcare?

I think we should all work together...that is a no brainer, but we can't!

It is really sad!

No pre existing conditions clause. Parents can keep their kids on their insurance till they are 26. You cant be dropped simply because you got sick.
There's a tax credit for small businesses that provide coverage for employees.

To name a few off the top of my head.

JD2320
11-06-2010, 04:56 PM
do you also include non citizens? also how much of "your" paycheck are you willing to set aside to pay for someone Else's health care? You do realize its not free health care don't you?

A large amount of my health premiums go to pay for people that don't have health coverage NOW. My insurance premiums went up four times last year and I never even looked at the card!
Nothings good is free.


Give me your alternatives? Just leave things the way they were?


Do you realize the USA ranks like 24th on the World Health Organizations list of countries that provide good health care and that before the new health plan we were the only industrialized nation on the planet that didn't have a national Health Care Program?


Do you realize some of the CEO's for big health care companies make 500,000 dollars a week?

grassman177
11-06-2010, 06:00 PM
good words JD2320, those are facts many against gov health care forget to mention. i dont think all the stipulations of this bill are good either, but many are. i hope that much of the bill is reversed, but the good points are kept likeyou have mentioned

rcreech
11-06-2010, 06:42 PM
No pre existing conditions clause. Parents can keep their kids on their insurance till they are 26. You cant be dropped simply because you got sick.
There's a tax credit for small businesses that provide coverage for employees.

To name a few off the top of my head.

Honestly...I know very little about Obamacare, as it is soooo complex but what I have "heard" isn't good. If those are some good points then I like them.

There is a lot more negatives then positives to me so far!

The illegal aliens part really gets me and so does not taking care of the elderly.

I NEVER want the gov't to tell me what to do and they are doing more and more all them time! I can run my own life without their help!

phasthound
11-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Can someone please share with me some positives of Govt healthcare?

I think we should all work together...that is a no brainer, but we can't!

It is really sad!

One way to work together is to post the actual words in the bill instead of some group's interpretation of the words.

Listen, I agree that Washington is broken. I don't agree with everything Obama is doing, nor did I disagree with everything Bush did. Both have been likened to Hitler and that is absurd. I do think government has botched things up and the American Way has been high-jacked by Big Business. The Media blows everything out of proportion to keep us watching so they can sell airtime. The only ones gaining from this are the top 1%. The rest of us get screwed while they recite, "Divide and Conquer" with a big smile on their faces and meg-bucks in their off shore bank accounts.

The underlying problem with our economy is that it is now built on the concept of making the fastest buck possible without taking a long term view. We avoided a bust for a longtime and that resulted in a fairly large bust. Both Bush & Obama came to the same conclusion that without government intervention, we were going over the edge and the economy would sink into a Depression instead of a long recession.

We are still in a mess of trouble and the Global economy has changed. If we as a people do not understand that we need to leave politics behind and begin to work together, our country will be left in the dust.

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 06:53 PM
A large amount of my health premiums go to pay for people that don't have health coverage NOW. My insurance premiums went up four times last year and I never even looked at the card!
Nothings good is free.


Give me your alternatives? Just leave things the way they were?


Do you realize the USA ranks like 24th on the World Health Organizations list of countries that provide good health care and that before the new health plan we were the only industrialized nation on the planet that didn't have a national Health Care Program?


Do you realize some of the CEO's for big health care companies make 500,000 dollars a week?


I hope you don't mind your premiums going even higher because there nothing in Obama care that will reduce cost. I would love to see an alternative but we won't see it because both parties are one in the same. If we could get the patient to the doctor without all the middle men and the lawyers the problem might be solved. Thats where the problems are. The lawyer politicians are bought and paid for by the insurance companies. Problem never solved. Your thinking that Obama care is better then nothing is scary because I see absolutely nothing that helps. When Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass this bill in order to know wants in it" should of been a CLUE ! not to mention most other reps didn't read it.

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 07:06 PM
good words JD2320, those are facts many against gov health care forget to mention. i dont think all the stipulations of this bill are good either, but many are. i hope that much of the bill is reversed, but the good points are kept likeyou have mentioned

good words? what good words? was it that his premiums went up? because they will continue to go up. Nothing in Obama care will stop that. If so can you point out what in the bill will stop them from going up?

or was it that US is ranked 24th. There is nothing in Obama care that will change that.

and his other comment about ceos, The money is still going to be made.

you even said your self that you hope that much of the bill is reversed.

JD2320
11-06-2010, 08:09 PM
good words JD2320, those are facts many against gov health care forget to mention. i dont think all the stipulations of this bill are good either, but many are. i hope that much of the bill is reversed, but the good points are kept likeyou have mentioned

Honestly...I know very little about Obamacare, as it is soooo complex but what I have "heard" isn't good. If those are some good points then I like them.

There is a lot more negatives then positives to me so far!

The illegal aliens part really gets me and so does not taking care of the elderly.

I NEVER want the gov't to tell me what to do and they are doing more and more all them time! I can run my own life without their help!

It's not a perfect bill and maybe needs some tweaking for sure but the republicans were against everything and started with the death panel lies and crap, and then stalled and then when asked for better ideas they had none and now are crying foul.

I think it was rushed through.....

Problem is now that the republicans want to repeal the whole thing. They say repeal and replace but I don't really believe that's the case.

rcreech
11-06-2010, 08:38 PM
I don't think it should be Democrat vs Republican....

I think it needs to be what is best for our families, business and Country.

I am tired of handouts!!!!! If you are not working you shouldn't get anything!

I also know that Insurance Companies, Doctors and many other are getting rich on this whole deal and I would love to see it stopped, but Govt healthcare isn't the fix IMO!

JD2320
11-06-2010, 08:47 PM
I don't think it should be Democrat vs Republican....

I think it needs to be what is best for our families, business and Country.

I am tired of handouts!!!!! If you are not working you shouldn't get anything!

I also know that Insurance Companies, Doctors and many other are getting rich on this whole deal and I would love to see it stopped, but Govt healthcare isn't the fix IMO!

Problem is that if people don't have insurance they go to the emergency, have to be treated and we all pay through the nose. I don't begrudge the CEO's getting rich or making good money but when they have to raise my rate, when I don't use the insurance and the CEO makes 500,000 a week it pezzes me off.

Here's some of their recent income:

Co. & CEO With 2007 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna Ronald A. Williams: $23,045,834
* Cigna H. Edward Hanway: $25,839,777
* Coventry Dale B. Wolf : $14,869,823
* Health Net Jay M. Gellert: $3,686,230
* Humana Michael McCallister: $10,312,557
* U.Health Grp Stephen J. Hemsley: $13,164,529
* WellPoint Angela Braly (2007): $9,094,271
L. Glasscock (2006): $23,886,169

Ins. Co. & CEO With 2008 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
* Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
* Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
* Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
* Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
* U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
* Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212


The CEO of Aetna which I have makes 481,000 dollars.....A Week!


PS if I had a name like Glasscock I'd change it in a hurry!

grassman177
11-06-2010, 08:58 PM
No pre existing conditions clause. Parents can keep their kids on their insurance till they are 26. You cant be dropped simply because you got sick.
There's a tax credit for small businesses that provide coverage for employees.

To name a few off the top of my head.

this is the words i refered to

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 09:17 PM
this is the words i refered to

any of those words reduce the cost of health care ? Nope

thomsoutdoor
11-06-2010, 09:19 PM
Problem is that if people don't have insurance they go to the emergency, have to be treated and we all pay through the nose. I don't begrudge the CEO's getting rich or making good money but when they have to raise my rate, when I don't use the insurance and the CEO makes 500,000 a week it pezzes me off.

Here's some of their recent income:

Co. & CEO With 2007 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna Ronald A. Williams: $23,045,834
* Cigna H. Edward Hanway: $25,839,777
* Coventry Dale B. Wolf : $14,869,823
* Health Net Jay M. Gellert: $3,686,230
* Humana Michael McCallister: $10,312,557
* U.Health Grp Stephen J. Hemsley: $13,164,529
* WellPoint Angela Braly (2007): $9,094,271
L. Glasscock (2006): $23,886,169

Ins. Co. & CEO With 2008 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
* Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
* Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
* Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
* Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
* U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
* Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212


The CEO of Aetna which I have makes 481,000 dollars.....A Week!


PS if I had a name like Glasscock I'd change it in a hurry!

Is there something in Obama care that prevents this?

rcreech
11-06-2010, 09:59 PM
Here is the other thing! What are the CEO's making at Ford and GM?????

Is the gov't going to take over auto mfg so those guys can't make millions?

What about professional athletes (which really pisses me off)...are they going to stop them from making millions???

I don't care how much people make for a living...just leave me, my family and my business alone.

I don't need any gov't help or assistance!!!!!!

phasthound
11-06-2010, 10:07 PM
Here is the other thing! What are the CEO's making at Ford and GM?????

Is the gov't going to take over auto mfg so those guys can't make millions?



Rod,
Get your facts straight, Ford did not get a bailout or was taken over by the governemt.

RABBITMAN11
11-06-2010, 10:17 PM
Rod,
Get your facts straight, Ford did not get a bailout or was taken over by the governemt.

Here is a Fact! Medicare, SS both a mess. Why do we actually think that government has the ability to run another program. Because they do a great job filling your mouth with their honey. Seriously people are flat out brain washed if you believe this crap! I thought this was the land of opportunity!

rcreech
11-06-2010, 10:23 PM
Rod,
Get your facts straight, Ford did not get a bailout or was taken over by the governemt.

Huh???

I know Ford didn't take a buyout and not sure where u got that
I am confused!

Funny enough though I have drive Chev as my family has my whole life.
After the Govt got involved I purchased my first F-350 last March and love it.
Ford makes a great product...just wish they support the Gay movement.
I also like to see that they are being very profitable.
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JD2320
11-06-2010, 10:27 PM
Is there something in Obama care that prevents this?

Obamacare....lol Good one. I've never heard it called that before. :rolleyes:

The point is and was that my rates keep going up while these guys and gals make more in a week than most here will in ten years.

It's greed.

JD2320
11-06-2010, 10:29 PM
Huh???

I know Ford didn't take a buyout and not sure where u got that
I am confused!

Funny enough though I have drive Chev as my family has my whole life.
After the Govt got involved I purchased my first F-350 last March and love it.
Ford makes a great product...just wish they support the Gay movement.
I also like to see that they are being very profitable.
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Me too. I bought 500 shares of Ford at 4.50 a share. GM has nearly paid back all of the money they were given and are going to offer shares again soon too.

grassman177
11-06-2010, 11:30 PM
ford is all we have ever driven. love fords. i actually supposedly have shares in ford safe somewhere from about 4 years ago or so. hmmmmm, curious.

Grandview
11-07-2010, 07:19 AM
I am tired of hearing extremest viewpoints from either side.

We need to work together to solve anything.

I do not agree. The solution is to let the free market provide the services we demand. Thinking politicians can come up with a workable plan is crazy.

mikesturf
11-07-2010, 07:21 AM
Problem is that if people don't have insurance they go to the emergency, have to be treated and we all pay through the nose. I don't begrudge the CEO's getting rich or making good money but when they have to raise my rate, when I don't use the insurance and the CEO makes 500,000 a week it pezzes me off.

Here's some of their recent income:

Co. & CEO With 2007 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna Ronald A. Williams: $23,045,834
* Cigna H. Edward Hanway: $25,839,777
* Coventry Dale B. Wolf : $14,869,823
* Health Net Jay M. Gellert: $3,686,230
* Humana Michael McCallister: $10,312,557
* U.Health Grp Stephen J. Hemsley: $13,164,529
* WellPoint Angela Braly (2007): $9,094,271
L. Glasscock (2006): $23,886,169

Ins. Co. & CEO With 2008 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
* Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
* Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
* Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
* Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
* U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
* Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212


The CEO of Aetna which I have makes 481,000 dollars.....A Week!


PS if I had a name like Glasscock I'd change it in a hurry!

I guess you are in the wrong line of work, you should have been a CEO for an insurance company. Why don't you show the salaries for the lawyers that sue doctors and hospitals, thus requiring the doctors to run way, way too many expensive tests just so they cover their butts.

thomsoutdoor
11-07-2010, 07:33 AM
I guess you are in the wrong line of work, you should have been a CEO for an insurance company. Why don't you show the salaries for the lawyers that sue doctors and hospitals, thus requiring the doctors to run way, way too many expensive tests just so they cover their butts.

Thats a good point. We don't hear about those salaries.

phasthound
11-07-2010, 07:53 AM
Huh???

I know Ford didn't take a buyout and not sure where u got that
I am confused!
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I quess I was the one confused. I missunderstood what you were saying. Sorry.

Buck_wheat
11-07-2010, 07:56 AM
I am tired of hearing extremest viewpoints from either side.

We need to work together to solve anything.

We've been so far to the left, even a moderately reserved tip to the right would be rated extreme by liberals. In any event, any body that doesn't agree with the lefts theology is branded a right wing extremist, closed minded homophobes, etc.

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it; all the great empires of civilization have spent and taxed themselves into financial ruin and oblivion, Rome is just one example, look what has happened to the great industrial nations in Europe, England, France, etc. The consequence of the great social experiment is financial instability, economic stagnation, abject poverty, violence (France, Greece) and the decline of social and moral values.

The "managed healthcare" in Germany following the collapse of the Weimar Republic following WW I, led to managed "end of life" programs which were expedited for the terminally sick, mentally re_tarded, disabled and other individuals judged by the government not to have the qualities to be "productive" in the German economy. This was done by euthanizing them... ultimately leading to "ethnic cleansing" & the Holocaust because euthanizing humans had become acceptable to the population.

Yes, it CAN happen here if we don't draw the line. Tens of millions of babies have already been ripped out of their mothers wombs for the sake of somebody not having exercised some restraint or personal responsibility in choosing a method of birth control.

Nancy Pelosi, when asked if a baby is alive when it leaves the womb, is it human? She refused to answer and so third term abortions & the killings of living children continue, many at taxpayers expense. If left unchecked, the killing of human life will upstream to the sick, disabled and elderly... maybe even YOUR parents or YOU, should you contract liver or kidney cancer from some the chemicals you have been spraying. You won't have a CHOICE because the Dr's administrating the lethal injection work for the government and no longer subscribe to a Hypocratic Oath... "Do your patient no harm".

There are other economic considerations to be concerned with also, nearly 2 trillion In extra dollars magically appearing in the float. I would suggest you study the causes and results of hyper inflation in Germany, Italy, South America, Philippines, etc. Not to mention the government dictating virtually every facet of your life and your work.

I'll keep my guns, ammo & my money, you can keep the change.

phasthound
11-07-2010, 07:56 AM
I do not agree. The solution is to let the free market provide the services we demand. Thinking politicians can come up with a workable plan is crazy.

You think Wall Street has the answer?
I can agree with your last statement.

rcreech
11-07-2010, 07:58 AM
I quess I was the one confused. I missunderstood what you were saying. Sorry.

What I was saying is what the guys above are.
Is the Govt going to control pro athletes, Dr's and everyone that is successful?
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Grandview
11-07-2010, 08:01 AM
You think Wall Street has the answer?
I can agree with your last statement.

I did not say Wall Street has the answer. I said the free competitive market system. It will provide the best service at the lowest cost. Always does, always will. An economic law that is never broken.

Buck_wheat
11-07-2010, 08:05 AM
Originally Posted by JD2320

Do you realize the USA ranks like 24th on the World Health Organizations list of countries that provide good health care and that before the new health plan we were the only industrialized nation on the planet that didn't have a national Health Care Program?

JD;

Hard to believe that the US rates 24th in the quality of healthcare since much of the world, including the fabulous Canadians and the French flock to the US because of it's cutting edge medical technology and superior healthcare services.

thomsoutdoor
11-07-2010, 08:35 AM
To help understand Obama's health care plan.

ted putnam
11-07-2010, 09:20 AM
To help understand Obama's health care plan.

I was a little confused at first but now that you posted that, it's all become "crystal clear".:laugh:

phasthound
11-07-2010, 10:39 AM
I did not say Wall Street has the answer. I said the free competitive market system. It will provide the best service at the lowest cost. Always does, always will. An economic law that is never broken.

Where and when has this happened?

rcreech
11-07-2010, 10:45 AM
Where and when has this happened?

Competition!

May not happen in Healthcare YET!!!!!...but happens in almost every other business!

Why are guys mowing an acre now for $30 when they were charging $50 for that same acre 5 years ago when their costs were lower!

The key to America is competition and it doesn't always have to be financial or who is the cheapest. It is who has the best product for the dollar (as we all know as value).

The Gov't wants up to all go to a cookie cutter approach!

They want to take from us that work and give it to all the lazy pieces of crap!

I won't stand for it!!!!!!!

Yes something needs to be done as far as health care...but it shouldn't involve the govt!

CHARLES CUE
11-07-2010, 05:46 PM
All these types of ads are twisted and turned around to show what ever the sponsor whats you to see or here. Every one should have health care but not with the government in control. They are not there to control every part of our life but thats where it's heading.

Charles Cue

cgaengineer
11-07-2010, 07:58 PM
Here is the other thing! What are the CEO's making at Ford and GM?????

Is the gov't going to take over auto mfg so those guys can't make millions?

What about professional athletes (which really pisses me off)...are they going to stop them from making millions???

I don't care how much people make for a living...just leave me, my family and my business alone.

I don't need any gov't help or assistance!!!!!!

Agree. A government that can give you everything, can also take it away.

cgaengineer
11-07-2010, 08:03 PM
Stop frivolous lawsuits and medical costs will go down also stop allowing illegals into this country and costs of everything including medical will go down.

cgaengineer
11-07-2010, 08:07 PM
To help understand Obama's health care plan.

So after looking at this chart, can you tell me who I would call to schedule a doctors appointment because I have been coughing for about a week and would like to be seen tomorrow? Could I be seen tomorrow or will I have to wait a month? If the cough doesn't go away after seeing the doctor can I see a specialist?

thomsoutdoor
11-07-2010, 09:06 PM
So after looking at this chart, can you tell me who I would call to schedule a doctors appointment because I have been coughing for about a week and would like to be seen tomorrow? Could I be seen tomorrow or will I have to wait a month? If the cough doesn't go away after seeing the doctor can I see a specialist?

According to the chart I think you have to submit a financial discloser form first. Don't forget to press 2 for english.

CHARLES CUE
11-07-2010, 09:10 PM
[QUOTE=thomsoutdoor;3783371 Don't forget to press 2 for english.[/QUOTE]

Boy don't that just PISS you off!


Charles Cue

ted putnam
11-07-2010, 10:09 PM
English...2nd Language!
Our country is going to SH!T.

Pistol
11-07-2010, 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by thomsoutdoor
Is there something in Obama care that prevents this?

Obamacare....lol Good one. I've never heard it called that before.

The point is and was that my rates keep going up while these guys and gals make more in a week than most here will in ten years.

It's greed.


JD - How much would you take as CEO?

Pistol
11-07-2010, 10:18 PM
9 years ago we had a 55 yo nanny from Canada - her husband was transferred from Canada to NC with his company. While here, he was diagnosed as needing bypass surgery. Got it done in 1 week. Our nanny said that in Canada he would have been put on a waiting list for 6 months+. Is that what we want? Nope - Last Tuesday was a good day for Americans!!!

Harley-D
11-08-2010, 08:56 AM
Mid term elections showed all americans want continued change. It's not like everyone decided to become republican. I would vote republican, and have, if it was the right issues being supported.

Side note* You find all the hypocondriacs, theives, liars, etc., because its those people that are/have ruined our health care. The extremely over wieght, the people that eat whatever every day and never consider their health, they have all driven up the costs for the rest of us. But...free country, eat what you want, how you want.

Can i sue for a any crazy reason i want? Ofcourse, free country. I'll pay for my lawyer, who's paying for the hospital's lawyer, all of us. Makes me a horrible person but who is trying to stop me?

Let's say i have a legit reason for suing, is that wrong? Maybe the doctor did screw up...dropped in a junior mint before closing me up. LOL I deserve restitution don't I?

How can we determine the right person from the wrong one? The good from the bad?

By the way Ron, Gov't tells you what to do everyday for your own safety and the safety of the ones around you.

I really believe Bush was an idiot but he had ideals and stuck by them. I believe Obama seems like a puppet, great speaker but there's something else happening behind the curtain we aren't seeing. Regardless, the president is such a small part of what needs fixing in Washington.

Harley-D
11-08-2010, 02:22 PM
Anyone else believe we should drug test the unemployed and welfare recipients?

Buck_wheat
11-08-2010, 02:54 PM
Anyone else believe we should drug test the unemployed and welfare recipients?

you betcha... if they pass, let em do work, like pick up trash or the other stuff municipalities never seem to get around to doing... if they don't pass, no $$$.

rcpeoples
11-11-2010, 06:28 PM
People kill me saying they don't want to pay for other peoples health care. HELLO ! As long as you have been paying taxes you have been paying for health care for people who can't afford it. Tell the millions of Americans that lost their jobs and have been paying into government programs for years they can't go to the doctor now. And stop complaining all the time about illegals. They do work a lot of you wouldn't. And if you did you would want so much pay employers couldn't afford to stay in business. So stop with the Obamacare, because you never know what situation you or your family may be in one day.
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lawnlandscape
11-12-2010, 07:16 PM
Do you realize the USA ranks like 24th on the World Health Organizations list of countries that provide good health care and that before the new health plan we were the only industrialized nation on the planet that didn't have a national Health Care Program?

Do YOU also realise that the US government ALREADY spent DOUBLE per person per year then any other country BEFORE the health care bill was passed?