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J.R. Services
11-07-2010, 02:17 AM
A friend of mines cousin runs a produce business and has an extra truck that he wants to sell. Its a 1992 International 4700, 4x2, 5spd spicer tranny, 25,500k gvr, 24ft morgan box body, new tires, good clutch, good brakes, lift gate and 234k miles for $5,000.00.

I was thinking of buying it and doing some hauling with the box body until it paid itself off and then either selling the box body and lift gate or use it for storage and then shortening the frame and putting a dump bed on it.

Does anybody know what the box might be worth, and what kind of money I'm looking at to shorten the frame and put a dump on it, and how much worse insurance is compared to a pick up truck? Any other input about the truck is also apprieciated. Thanks

Mowingman
11-07-2010, 08:52 AM
Which engine is in it. Is it the DT466, or something else?

4 seasons lawn&land
11-07-2010, 09:52 AM
sounds like a money pit to me but my dad has a produce wholesale biz too. Its really easy on trucks.

J.R. Services
11-07-2010, 09:05 PM
It has the dt466, and my friend was pretty much the only one who drove it and he's really easy on stuff.

Mowingman
11-07-2010, 09:14 PM
go for it. That engine is almost indestructable. Should be a good truck.

J.R. Services
11-07-2010, 10:41 PM
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scagrider22
11-07-2010, 10:58 PM
It looks like a good truck but it would be cheaper to find one that already has a dump bed.

Duffster
11-07-2010, 11:17 PM
It looks like a good truck but it would be cheaper to find one that already has a dump bed.

But then you are buying a used dumptruck.

scagrider22
11-07-2010, 11:30 PM
But then you are buying a used dumptruck.

Well if you add up all the money that would be spent on that truck you could get a late model dump with low miles and it would last much longer and hold its value longer. That box isnt really worth anything so he will have to pay to have it removed, then pay to have the frame shortened and braced. Shorten and balance drive shaft, brake lines and wiring. Buy and install a new hoist and dump bed. Paint dump bed, and im sure im forgetting alot. By the time he pays for the truck and all the parts and labor he could easily be over $20,000 for a truck that is worth $8,000. I recommend getting by with your pickup until you can afford a reliable dump. But if you really want to take on the project your buddies truck is a good start, just keep in mind you wont get much return on the truck if you sell it.

lyube
11-07-2010, 11:54 PM
Probably going to cost well over 10k once you get a dump bed and shortened.

Cheaper to buy a truck thats a dump already.

zabmasonry
11-08-2010, 06:49 PM
have you thought about mowing out of it?

Duffster
11-08-2010, 06:58 PM
Well if you add up all the money that would be spent on that truck you could get a late model dump with low miles and it would last much longer and hold its value longer. That box isnt really worth anything so he will have to pay to have it removed, then pay to have the frame shortened and braced. Shorten and balance drive shaft, brake lines and wiring. Buy and install a new hoist and dump bed. Paint dump bed, and im sure im forgetting alot. By the time he pays for the truck and all the parts and labor he could easily be over $20,000 for a truck that is worth $8,000. I recommend getting by with your pickup until you can afford a reliable dump. But if you really want to take on the project your buddies truck is a good start, just keep in mind you wont get much return on the truck if you sell it.

Having the box removed, frame and drive shaft shortened won't really cost much. Most of the cost will be the wet kit and new bed which will always be valuable. I guess I just prefer to build a truck.

J.R. Services
11-08-2010, 10:22 PM
Having the box removed, frame and drive shaft shortened won't really cost much. Most of the cost will be the wet kit and new bed which will always be valuable. I guess I just prefer to build a truck.

I can remove the bed, and i know people to shorten the frame and driveshaft, like you said the most expensive part is going to be buying the dump stuff which i can always sell if the truck ever dies

Gravel Rat
11-08-2010, 11:37 PM
That truck is way too light for a dump unless you put 19.5 wheels on it.

Just from looking at it the front axle is only a 8000lb unit and the rear is probably 17,500 which gives you 25,500gvw.

To tell you the truth a F-550 with a 19,000lb gvw will have the same payload capacity.

The truck isn't worth buying it is too light duty to be a dump the truck isn't a derated truck it is a under 26,000lb gross truck. Usually people take a 30-33,000lb truck and drop the gvw but this truck isn't so.

Duffster
11-09-2010, 07:51 AM
That truck is way too light for a dump unless you put 19.5 wheels on it.

Just from looking at it the front axle is only a 8000lb unit and the rear is probably 17,500 which gives you 25,500gvw.

To tell you the truth a F-550 with a 19,000lb gvw will have the same payload capacity.

The truck isn't worth buying it is too light duty to be a dump the truck isn't a derated truck it is a under 26,000lb gross truck. Usually people take a 30-33,000lb truck and drop the gvw but this truck isn't so.

Why would putting 19.5's on help and how do you figure it is only a 8k axle?

Gravel Rat
11-09-2010, 07:16 PM
Why would putting 19.5's on help and how do you figure it is only a 8k axle?

If you put some 245/70R19.5 tires and wheels on the truck you will shed some weight around 270lbs in tires. The smaller diameter reduces the stress on the rear axle,

For all the work involved modifying that truck it is cheaper to buy a 30-33,000lb gvw truck.

ochosdaddy
11-13-2010, 02:00 AM
Landscape companies here favor the 4700s. Worked for a guy years ago that bought a used one and had a $20,000 dump bed installed. The truck is the cheap part, the bed isn't. I agree, find a good used dump already on a truck.

knox gsl
11-13-2010, 02:13 AM
Check for a bed at a truck salvage yard, I seen one here on CL a few days ago for $800 Gravel Rat is right about the under 26K truck, look for a used single axle road tractor. The frames are rated for 33K and are usually built to pull a GCVW of 80K, so that you get a larger transmission, rear end and engine. Another advantage to the road tractor is that you wouldn't need to modify the frame.