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PremierLawnsOmaha
01-26-2011, 09:52 PM
How much would someone charge to mow 550,000 SQFt once a week mowed trimmed and blowed. It take about about 12 to 13 hours to mow with a 2 man crew.

Ive perviously mowed this before with one guy mowing and one guy trimming it took a day and a half to complete.

what would be a a resonable estimate to give.

JB1
01-26-2011, 09:58 PM
ah how about $240.38.

jackedf150
01-26-2011, 10:06 PM
Why not $238.40?
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JadestoneLawncare
01-26-2011, 10:10 PM
Im sorry but 240.38 sounds extremely cheap for a day and a half of work with 2 people. That covers your cost for paying your workers and thats about it you have all your gas to get you there and in your mowers and so on but my personal .02 is that 240.38 sound really cheap....

mowerbrad
01-26-2011, 10:14 PM
Im sorry but 240.38 sounds extremely cheap for a day and a half of work with 2 people. That covers your cost for paying your workers and thats about it you have all your gas to get you there and in your mowers and so on but my personal .02 is that 240.38 sound really cheap....

They were just joking....

JB1
01-26-2011, 10:17 PM
They were just joking....


I'm serious, I've been watching the "Price Is Right" today so I'm practicing bidding.

mowyo
01-26-2011, 10:18 PM
ah how about $240.38.

Dad burn lowballers up in heah !!!


Seriously premier, charge whatever you're happy with for 26 hrs. of work .

grassmasterswilson
01-26-2011, 10:26 PM
You said you had mowed it before and know how long it takes. You should have a feel for how much fuel and supplies you use on it. Just charge your hourly rate! Should be a pretty easy bid imo

mowerbrad
01-26-2011, 10:26 PM
I'm serious, I've been watching the "Price Is Right" today so I'm practicing bidding.

You obviously don't watch the price is right often enough, I'll beat you!....


ONE DOLLAR BOB!!!

JB1
01-26-2011, 10:30 PM
You obviously don't watch the price is right often enough, I'll beat you!....


ONE DOLLAR BOB!!!


apparently you don't it's, DREW.

mowerbrad
01-26-2011, 11:19 PM
apparently you don't it's, DREW.

I refuse to accept the fact that Drew Carey is hosting the show. In my little world, its still good ol' Bob. Plus, saying "Drew" at the end just doesn't roll off the tongue like "Bob".

Houston Wyatt
01-27-2011, 01:13 AM
If you say it takes 12 hours with 2 guys. Thats 26 man hours, so if your charging $60/hour (just taking what we charge), than simple math would give you around $1560/week.

LawnEnforcement25
01-27-2011, 01:18 AM
where the hell are yall getting 26 hours with 2 man crew at 12 hours a day. 12 x 2 = 24. or am i missing something?

Houston Wyatt
01-27-2011, 01:28 AM
where the hell are yall getting 26 hours with 2 man crew at 12 hours a day. 12 x 2 = 24. or am i missing something?

HAHA, damn.. its past my bedtime. Correction, 24 man hours lol, is $1440.

Richard Martin
01-27-2011, 04:57 AM
where the hell are yall getting 26 hours with 2 man crew at 12 hours a day. 12 x 2 = 24. or am i missing something?

Yeah, you're missing something. You must have missed the part where he said it took 12 to 13 hours for 2 guys to complete.

It take about about 12 to 13 hours to mow with a 2 man crew

$1,000 a cut.

turfcarelawns
01-27-2011, 10:24 AM
That seems like a long time to cut just under 13 acres. Around here I don't believe someone would pay that much for a lawn service unless it is a high up commercial lot.

TMlawncare
01-27-2011, 10:30 AM
That seems like a long time to cut just under 13 acres. Around here I don't believe someone would pay that much for a lawn service unless it is a high up commercial lot.

Depends on 13 acres you could easily spend 4hrs just trimming if not more, depends on how it landscaped.

gasracer
01-27-2011, 10:41 AM
Yeah, you're missing something. You must have missed the part where he said it took 12 to 13 hours for 2 guys to complete.

It take about about 12 to 13 hours to mow with a 2 man crew

$1,000 a cut.

$40.00 per man hour. That is reasonable.

turfcarelawns
01-27-2011, 11:00 AM
It does all depend on landscape or objects on the property. My bid would be anywhere from $650 to $800 if it were a high end commercial lot. That is if I was driving X amount of miles and only using 2 units to cut.

Sammy
01-27-2011, 11:18 AM
What type and what size mowers are you using ?

Might be time for some upgrades on your equipment.

grassmasterswilson
01-27-2011, 12:03 PM
also depends on whether the thread amount is the entire property including house, drives, etc or is that just the measurement on the turf.

In his thread signature he has a 36 in metro...which I think is a walkbehind. His crew was 1 guy mowing and 1 trimming. Around here you would get beat out by 2 man crews with 60 ztr's.

eastportstar
01-27-2011, 01:12 PM
12+ acres, definitely need large ztr (or at least 52" Wb w/sulky). reasonable estimate, gotta be $350 - $400 (2 guys, big ztr, probably 4-5 hours)), . that's a big lawn. is it more of a "field" ? maybe cut whole thing every other week and just around the house every week (to keep cost down).

TNGrassCutter
01-27-2011, 06:08 PM
I think he would be lost as a last year's Easter egg mowing 550,000 sq ft with a 36" WB.

Lux Lawn
01-27-2011, 06:32 PM
I agree $60 is alot for at least for my area. I would send a 3 man crew and get it done in an 8 hour day.

Southscapes03
01-27-2011, 07:32 PM
I just took over a 22 acre cemetery last july, and the previous people where dropping off 7 guys and staying 8-9 hrs. The first time I cut it with 3 guys in 5.5 hrs. I was on my 60" zd323 and 2 guys trimming and blowing. So it depends on your work ethic and help as to how long you it takes you and how much its worth. That jobs pays me $550/week for 52 weeks so around here thats about top pay. That was me even taking the time to strip the entire place, which the previous contractor liked to cut in circles....:hammerhead:. I would think that $1000 per cut is way too much, and maybe streamline your opperation and do it in a day and charge half that much.?

PremierLawnsOmaha
01-27-2011, 08:27 PM
trust me guys i would never mow anything that big with a 36 inch walkbehind im not crazy. I was thinking around $700 being it is a appt complex. And there is about 15 building to trim around and a couple fences.

Also put in an order for a new 60inch super Z but still waiting to take delivery.

freshcut419
01-27-2011, 08:33 PM
trust me guys i would never mow anything that big with a 36 inch walkbehind im not crazy. I was thinking around $700 being it is a appt complex. And there is about 15 building to trim around and a couple fences.

Also put in an order for a new 60inch super Z but still waiting to take delivery.

I hope you put in an order for a bigger trailer too

TNGrassCutter
01-27-2011, 09:05 PM
I just put in an order for a large sausage and pepperoni pizza.

XLS
01-27-2011, 09:45 PM
we would go at the job at 550,000sqft @$1.75 per K = $962.50 for a full service account with stripes and if i got it ok if not i would be just as happy.

Working Man
01-27-2011, 10:53 PM
Forget the 60in, go with a 72 liquid cooled. I got a used diesel last year and it's saved me tons of time. It doesn't bog down on grass and its way easier on the engine on those long hot days of constant running. I know they're expensive but they will pay for themselves very quickly on large properties. As for doing the work, a three man crew is way more productive. Why would you want to pay for the drive time out there and back twice. Not only that but all that trimming is hard on one guy. You're better off starting with two guys mowing and then having someone jump off and help out trimming and blowing and getting the job done in one day. Even if you use the walk behind you have to do smaller areas. As for bidding, we usually get about $30 a man hour but when you get on the larger properties that goes down. And when you find the right pattern and everyone knows their job you will be able to cut down the hours anyway. $650 - $700 a day seems to be the going rate here even though I can get $700 to $800 all day long doing resi's it still is easier on billing and collecting etc. And if you can squeeze in a little extra work for the day while you have the extra labor you can get your profit margin back up.

MySide
01-28-2011, 12:08 AM
why can't we get a straight answer from anyone?
First: if you did it before, how much did you charge?
Second: do you have a cost per hour of running your mower? I'm still very new at this and haven't established that.
Third: How much time weedeating / mowing?
Fourth: Easy mowing? Is it flat? hilly?
I bid a job where there was minimal weedeating, fairly easy straight forward mowing, only three small pine trees to mow around, about 4 acres. My bid was $150. I didn't get it because they went with a guy that could also do snow removal, but he said if he'd have separated it, I would have probably gotten the job. I don't know if he was just being nice, or what...
You've got three times the area, your time is alot more than I'd have spent on these 4 acres. My first wild guess would be $600, and I may get slammed with comments about that, but there's a starting point. One guy told me he figured about $22 per hour for a guy to be operating a mower. I haven't gotten that far to figure anything out like that yet. I'd really like to see some figures on mower operating costs, bidding processes -- knowing there are several variables-- and whatever else anyone would share.
good luck!

Tyner Lawn Service
01-28-2011, 12:28 AM
I can solve this mystery as I live in Omaha. Just give me the address and I'll go look at it. PM me if you like or email me. The way commercial prices go I hope it's not too cheap.

Tyner Lawn Service
01-28-2011, 12:30 AM
By the way do a spell check on your list below your name. There are two things wrong.:)

Eischeid
01-28-2011, 12:48 AM
I also live in Omaha and my going rate is $60/man hour with a 52 turf tiger and a 36 hydro wb. I get jobs done easy and quickly with 2 people. We first start mowing the guy gets done with his share then trims the rest and we get done around the same time. Its more efficient and noones ever sitting around.
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orlawncaresvc
01-28-2011, 01:00 AM
How much would someone charge to mow 550,000 SQFt once a week mowed trimmed and blowed. It take about about 12 to 13 hours to mow with a 2 man crew.

Ive perviously mowed this before with one guy mowing and one guy trimming it took a day and a half to complete.

what would be a a resonable estimate to give.

Is the territory flat? Does it have hills? any drops. Now you are talking about mowing over 12 acres, right? 550,000 is over 12 acres. This really seems like a lot for only a 2 guy operation. You must have a huge mower? 60 in or 72? We do a mowing job every summer on a 7acre property that is owned by Chevron. We are contracted by a consulting company to do the job. This area is a big hill which also has some smaller hills. The incline on the hill is far to steep for our zero turn mower. So we use a lawn tractor which actually does very well. It takes my crew and I which is 4 of us 12-14 hours. We start off with two guys mowing what can be mowed with the mowers while the other two trim with string trimmers. After the two mowing are done mowing they join in on the trimming. The job gets done in one day. Our price is around $2,200. Now if you want to get down and technical with these numbers, thats almost $40 a man hour. These guys on here are telling you $240? is that for the whole job? Now a lot of you guys are probably gonna say that is way to much, or only because it's a high end of high paying commercial contract. But this is honesty if that's what you were looking for?

PremierLawnsOmaha
01-28-2011, 02:36 AM
3/4 flat and 1/4 hills and i was mowing it with a buddy and he wont tell me what he charged.

Mow time is about 12 hours
trim time with blowing about 12 hours

krackerjack9
01-28-2011, 06:02 AM
13 acres take about 3 to 4hrs with a 12ft batwing, Rhino has a TS mower that a 35hp tractor can power up. Keep the blades sharp and you can get 8 to 10 acre jobs all week long. I only charge $40.00 a hr. I dont due any thing else. I got 4 customers that were paying in the area $800.00 every 2 weeks for mowing and edging,blowing ect. Now it only cost them on average $380.00 a month plus what ever the triming blowing guys are charging maybe $120.00 at a time. Figured I saved them a good $5000 a year.

Working Man
01-28-2011, 08:48 AM
the reason you can't get a straight answer is because every property is different. We have one day we do a 15 acre property along with an 18 acre cemetery and another 9 acre cemetery, 3 mowers, 3 weed whippers. That's a lot of grass to cut in one day. We only get about 1200 for that day but that's government work and there is a lot more higher paying jobs that come with that contract. Then I have a 30 Acre property that is mostly field mowing that takes two mowers and two trimmers and keeps us busy for about 8 hours. In order to get the job I had to come down to $650 but we have another property across the street for $250 and it only takes 2 hours. Then I have another field that's 14 acres with no trimming, rough mowing, only takes about 4mh's and we get like $910.... That's part of why we do the property with the cemetery's so cheap. When it comes down to it you take what you can get as long as you can make a profit. As you do more larger properties you will start to know by looking at things what you can charge and still make a decent profit. You asked about cost of a mower. One of the best tricks to use is to add up all costs and divide by hours of service. You don't have to be exact, just ballpark. A mower costs about $9K add in about $3K for oil changes and repairs, etc. $12,000 / 2000 hours = $6 per hour. (You can get more hours out of a mower but that's usually around the point you start having problems.) Then you have to factor in gas. A mower can go about 10 hours with both tanks full. So that's a gallon per hour. Figure about $3.50 for when gas goes up. Add in a worker about $15/hour with taxes. $6+3.5+15= $24.50/hour. Then you need to know your fixed costs. This should give you a very good ballpark because if you get over 2000 hours or if you sell the mower that's extra profit that wasn't figured into your bidding. I hope that helps,

grassmasterswilson
01-28-2011, 09:04 AM
As you can see prices are everywhere depending on where you live. I'm in the process of bidding a 10+ acre 19 duplex complex with about 7.75 acres of turf. Just depends how bad you want a job.

Meet with the president and see exactly what they want. If they want extras you can always bid the mowing cheaper and the pruning/mulch/apps a little higher.

Eischeid
01-28-2011, 10:51 AM
If it takes you twelve hours to mow and twelve hours to trim and blow twelve acres you are not going ot get that job on an hourly rate. You also have some efficiency problems going on or you dont have big enough equipment for that job. The only way you'll be able to bid on it is by the acre of mowing which will end up losing you money in the long run. IMO you either get a bigger mower or don't bid the job.

grassmasterswilson
01-28-2011, 11:40 AM
I couldn't imagine what 12 hours of trimming looked like!

neckbone
01-28-2011, 02:47 PM
We do a property that has 535000 sq ft. We get $1243.00 per cut it takes 81/2 hrs to mow, weed eat, edge and blow. I use 2- 52" Exmarks ZRT two of us mow and one person weed eat and edge.

Tim's Lawn Care LLC.
01-28-2011, 03:11 PM
I'll do it, at $45.00 per 15,000 sq.ft. divided into 550,000 sq. ft. = $1665.00 per cut. I'll even do that other stuff you said.

Tyner Lawn Service
01-29-2011, 10:03 AM
The way prices go around here for commercial work I'll bet someone will do it for $600. You can make a good living cutting grass here but I'm always amazed at what some places go for.

4 seasons lawn&land
01-29-2011, 12:39 PM
I hope you put in an order for a bigger trailer too



Id say that would be pretty close to your cost to mow it. You might make a few bucks. Double that and you'll only be a bit low.

EDIT I quoted the wrong post. This was meant for the OP who was thinking about $700

Lurch01
01-30-2011, 09:22 AM
Why not $238.40?
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DAMN youi had me for a minute, I thought you were serious with that price.

bock
02-25-2011, 02:48 AM
You should be at like around $1100.00 a mow. $700.00 is giving it away. I have been running into this problem a lot this year with people not knowing how to use a calculator and a measuring wheel.

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 11:00 AM
$25 just bid $25 for the whole d*** thing. no one can tell you any better.if your friend wont tell you what he charged i can only guess that this is b.s. or you are trying to steal the account. how would anyone on here know what your expenses are or what it would take for you to make $. im embarrased we are both from omaha

Landscraper1
02-25-2011, 11:20 AM
How much would someone charge to mow 550,000 SQFt once a week mowed trimmed and blowed. It take about about 12 to 13 hours to mow with a 2 man crew.

Ive perviously mowed this before with one guy mowing and one guy trimming it took a day and a half to complete.

what would be a a resonable estimate to give.

I would charge around $1200 per cut

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 11:33 AM
I would charge around $1200 per cut

pulling numbers out of thin air is fun, look i can do it too. $25 for whole thing

Landscraper1
02-25-2011, 11:50 AM
pulling numbers out of thin air is fun, look i can do it too. $25 for whole thing

If you have a hourly rate you use to price, then it's easy to come up with a number. I wouldn't be grossing over a mil a year by puliing #'s out of the air. Do the math. My rate is $45 an hour.

12hrs X $45 = $540 X 2men = $1080
13hrs X $45 = $585 X 2men = $1170

Add a little for travel time and your done. #'s would change if your rate differs.

Good Luck

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 12:05 PM
If you have a hourly rate you use to price, then it's easy to come up with a number. I wouldn't be grossing over a mil a year by puliing #'s out of the air. Do the math. My rate is $45 an hour.

12hrs X $45 = $540 X 2men = $1080
13hrs X $45 = $585 X 2men = $1170

Add a little for travel time and your done. #'s would change if your rate differs.

Good Luck

you dont know anything about this guys expenses or what it will cost him to do the work. you are not doing him any favors by spewing out $45 a man hour. that may work for you (i doubt it) but there is not enough info. he might win the bid, but he may be able to make more $ per hour doing other jobs. i could not make it billing $45 per man hour. a million a year huh, my b.s. detector just went off.

Landscraper1
02-25-2011, 12:25 PM
you dont know anything about this guys expenses or what it will cost him to do the work. you are not doing him any favors by spewing out $45 a man hour. that may work for you (i doubt it) but there is not enough info. he might win the bid, but he may be able to make more $ per hour doing other jobs. i could not make it billing $45 per man hour. a million a year huh, my b.s. detector just went off.

I am trying to answer his question instead of putting him and everyone else down. I took his estimate of the time frame and priced it according to my rate. Of course I don't know his expenses, duh. Anyone who is in any service industry should have a rate to go by.

I'm sorry, if you have a hard time understanding. Let's just go with that $25 quote.:hammerhead:

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 12:49 PM
I am trying to answer his question instead of putting him and everyone else down. I took his estimate of the time frame and priced it according to my rate. Of course I don't know his expenses, duh. Anyone who is in any service industry should have a rate to go by.

I'm sorry, if you have a hard time understanding. Let's just go with that $25 quote.:hammerhead:

no offence but if you dont know his expenses then giving him prices wont help.i dont mean to put him down but i am not sure that he know what his expenses are.

GrassesGuy
02-25-2011, 01:02 PM
A $750 dude.

J.R. Services
02-25-2011, 05:36 PM
It all depends on the job, customer and what equipment you have. If it takes you 24 man hours with 48-54" equipment, somebody with a 72" or even batwing mower is going to be in and out in, I don't know, 12 man hours. And these man hour rates I don't think really apply because I might do a 1/4ac lot in 20 minutes by my self and get $45, that doesn't mean I'm making $135/hr, because in that $45 for one client, you have to drive there, unload, load, bill seperately, deal with the person, whereas if you have a 12acre client you have a whole days work in one stop, and one client. Don't get me wrong the $45/hr is good for 1-3acres lot

greenbaylawns
02-25-2011, 05:54 PM
Its still snowing and cold here in the Omaha area. My fellow husker fans are a bit on the edge. I apologize.

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 05:58 PM
It all depends on the job, customer and what equipment you have. If it takes you 24 man hours with 48-54" equipment, somebody with a 72" or even batwing mower is going to be in and out in, I don't know, 12 man hours. And these man hour rates I don't think really apply because I might do a 1/4ac lot in 20 minutes by my self and get $45, that doesn't mean I'm making $135/hr, because in that $45 for one client, you have to drive there, unload, load, bill seperately, deal with the person, whereas if you have a 12acre client you have a whole days work in one stop, and one client. Don't get me wrong the $45/hr is good for 1-3acres lot

it also depends on alot of other stuff that no one seems interested in but lets look at the $45 hr . how many $30 lawn could you and a helper mow in a hour.does that 45 an hr still look good.

greenbaylawns
02-25-2011, 06:05 PM
a good helper 2.5..5 or 6 next door to each other.

J.R. Services
02-25-2011, 06:08 PM
it also depends on alot of other stuff that no one seems interested in but lets look at the $45 hr . how many $30 lawn could you and a helper mow in a hour.does that 45 an hr still look good.

all depends on location, i have 4 $30-$45s on the same block, done in and out with $150, but then theres some spread out where by the time you get there unload, load, youve got 30-45min into a job that only pays $30-45 and 15min to mow

Landrus2
02-25-2011, 06:10 PM
Iím having fun with this one :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Landscraper1
02-25-2011, 06:11 PM
It all depends on the job, customer and what equipment you have. If it takes you 24 man hours with 48-54" equipment, somebody with a 72" or even batwing mower is going to be in and out in, I don't know, 12 man hours. And these man hour rates I don't think really apply because I might do a 1/4ac lot in 20 minutes by my self and get $45, that doesn't mean I'm making $135/hr, because in that $45 for one client, you have to drive there, unload, load, bill seperately, deal with the person, whereas if you have a 12acre client you have a whole days work in one stop, and one client. Don't get me wrong the $45/hr is good for 1-3acres lot

Good analogy. Your absolutely right. It does depend on many variables but, you first have to start with a rate. Then depending on the size of job, distance from the shop, distance from last customer, and many other factors you add on to the price where needed.

I mostly maintain large properties and after figuring out a price, I do add in a profit margin, depending on the size of the account. The larger the property the smaller the margin. I also add in, if needed, what I call "the pain in the a*s factor". Usually condominium communities fit in to this expense with their "garden committees".

As far the equipment goes, that should be factored into your hourly rate. At this point I can survive on a min of $45 an hr. rate plus markup. If fuel prices keep going up that rate will definitely have to change.

greenbaylawns
02-25-2011, 06:12 PM
all depends on location, i have 4 $30-$45s on the same block, done in and out with $150, but then theres some spread out where by the time you get there unload, load, youve got 30-45min into a job that only pays $30-45 and 15min to mow

I hate that..But we gota take what we get sometimes

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 06:23 PM
a good helper 2.5..5 or 6 next door to each other.

if this is the case why would you want to spend all day working for $45 an hour before expenses when there is alot more money to be made per hour on other mowing work? just asking

Landscraper1
02-25-2011, 06:24 PM
it also depends on alot of other stuff that no one seems interested in but lets look at the $45 hr . how many $30 lawn could you and a helper mow in a hour.does that 45 an hr still look good.

If you and your helper cut 3 $30 lawns in one hour that's $45 an hour.

2 men X $45hr = $90

$90 / $30 lawns = 3

Do you and your helper cut more than 3 lawns in an hour. Cutting, trimming and blowing?
Like I just stated, their are other things to consider when pricing. As far as rates go, costs change according to your location. At $45 in my area, I'm considered expensive.:laugh:

greenbaylawns
02-25-2011, 06:26 PM
if this is the case why would you want to spend all day working for $45 an hour before expenses when there is alot more money to be made per hour on other mowing work? just asking

I wouldn't I'd take the 20 to 30 yards a day everyday..No brainer Plus I'd get bored in the same spot all day.

torotorotoro
02-25-2011, 06:37 PM
If you and your helper cut 3 $30 lawns in one hour that's $45 an hour.

2 men X $45hr = $90

$90 / $30 lawns = 3

Do you and your helper cut more than 3 lawns in an hour. Cutting, trimming and blowing?
Like I just stated, their are other things to consider when pricing. As far as rates go, costs change according to your location. At $45 in my area, I'm considered expensive.:laugh:

i never stated how many lawns i mow an hour,nor how many 1 to 2 person crews i run . i would be very disapointed if per person all day one of my employees only produced $45 per hour. after i pay out $12 per hour for a guy then pay gas and all the other expenses.that just does not leave enough $ for me. how do lowballers make it.

GrassesGuy
02-26-2011, 10:48 AM
Lowballers don't pay taxes because they are illegal and they pay there brother 5 bucks an hour to help them. They also use yard machine lawn mowers inside vans to save on gas. Then they send half of the profits to there momma in Mexico while milking our system of democracy for free healthcare and law enforcement who would rather eat donuts and sit on there fat asses driving around pulling over Americans for speeding and expired tags because they can't pay there taxes and are in a hurry to get to there night time job to pay for food on the table so they don't have to get food stamps. Wow the great American society of Obama liberal socialists who continue to rape this once hard working country that was full of good people who helped each other out and died for the freedomss of future Americans. This country is going to **** fast. To all the hard working LCO's I appreciate the hard work. Maybe if we all unite and rise up we can instill a strong work ethic for future generations and get rid of all the illigal, and fat worthless pukes who eat at mcdonalds everyday and play video games while mom mows the lawn.

torotorotoro
02-26-2011, 01:13 PM
i eat at mcdonalds almost every day.i also see alot of mexicans working in lawn service but you cant blame them for the lowballer problem in omaha.if i lose a lawn over price it is always to a white kid just starting out. i dont know any mexican who ownes the lawn service he works for.regency lawns(who mows for senator ben neilsen )all illegals , owned by a white guy.lanoa nurserys all hispanic i dont know if they are all illegle but many dont speak english.it is places like these where they work here.they are not usually the owners. true they dont pay taxes but even on 24 st it will be hard to find an illegle who would be willing to work for under $10 an hour.dont beleive me go down and offer them $ 5 a hour to work.you wont get any takers and you might get beat up.

GrassesGuy
02-26-2011, 01:40 PM
A toro I'm sorry you can't stop eating fast food it will eventually kill you partner. As far as Mexican labor goes whether they own or work for Muhulls or Billy Bob is besides the point. The fact that illegals don't pay taxes, send there money home to good ol MEXICO, and crooked Lawn Companies steal bids from reputable companies it hurts the local economy and takes money out of my pocket. As far as venturing into South O and getting beat up that's quit funny. . I'm 6' 3" and weigh 250 solid muscle. I played rugby at SIUC and doubt a little 120 pound Mexican will attempt to fight me, let alone doing anything to me unless he's got a piece. I drive down 24th street twice a month and laugh at how stupid some of these idiots are for working for nothing. I don't like illigals or liberals, they are a boone on society. Furthermore I don't like paying high taxes on my house and equipment. My sister in law is from Brazil and she imigrated legitametly to this country and obyed the law and is a productive citizen who makes 6 figures working for Monsanto as an Executive Assistant in Accounting, and guess what she pays taxes. Hey if you wanna work in this country I have no problem with that if you have skills and are a hard worker and do it LEGALLY.

torotorotoro
02-26-2011, 02:14 PM
A toro I'm sorry you can't stop eating fast food it will eventually kill you partner. As far as Mexican labor goes whether they own or work for Muhulls or Billy Bob is besides the point. The fact that illegals don't pay taxes, send there money home to good ol MEXICO, and crooked Lawn Companies steal bids from reputable companies it hurts the local economy and takes money out of my pocket. As far as venturing into South O and getting beat up that's quit funny. . I'm 6' 3" and weigh 250 solid muscle. I played rugby at SIUC and doubt a little 120 pound Mexican will attempt to fight me, let alone doing anything to me unless he's got a piece. I drive down 24th street twice a month and laugh at how stupid some of these idiots are for working for nothing. I don't like illigals or liberals, they are a boone on society. Furthermore I don't like paying high taxes on my house and equipment. My sister in law is from Brazil and she imigrated legitametly to this country and obyed the law and is a productive citizen who makes 6 figures working for Monsanto as an Executive Assistant in Accounting, and guess what she pays taxes. Hey if you wanna work in this country I have no problem with that if you have skills and are a hard worker and do it LEGALLY.

i cant disagree with any thing in this post. im just saying employees dont set the prices, and mexicans are not as cheap as you think.the big savings for the emploer is when he pays $10 an hour under the table.he does not send in the taxes. there are many illegals working that the employer withholds all taxes and social security and sends them in to gov. with phoney or stolen social security numbers. no extra savings there. thats the lanoa nurserys .way

GrassesGuy
02-26-2011, 02:26 PM
Agreed. Well suposedly this thing called everify is suppose to help the problem but who knows if it will ever become law with all the loser politicians on both sides of the aisle.

torotorotoro
02-26-2011, 02:39 PM
Agreed. Well suposedly this thing called everify is suppose to help the problem but who knows if it will ever become law with all the loser politicians on both sides of the aisle.

even if it does become law no one will have the guts to enforce it .everone is scared to be called racist

GrassesGuy
02-26-2011, 02:47 PM
Ya no s%it right.

lukemelo216
02-26-2011, 03:36 PM
Few years ago i was mowing a 8acre school. Took me an another guy on a 52"ztr and a 60" ztr about 2 hours to mow. So thats 4 hours. Then there was a lot of trimming, 4 baseball fields with fencing, lots of light posts, and various items in the middle of no where. Trimming was about 1.5 hours a piece so total job was around 7 hours.

Mind you this was a large open field so we only had to turn after about a 400 foot run. If you have a lot of turning your productivity will go down slightly, but there isnt any reason why you shouldnt be able to knock out 13 acres in about 6 or 7 man hours. Trimming is another story since I dont know how much there is. But a good trimming crew can knock out a lot in a little time. Id probably fall somewhere between 800-900 on that property, and would make about $250 on it. Knock that out and maybe 1 or 2 other small comercials in a day.

torotorotoro
02-26-2011, 04:07 PM
all depends on location, i have 4 $30-$45s on the same block, done in and out with $150, but then theres some spread out where by the time you get there unload, load, youve got 30-45min into a job that only pays $30-45 and 15min to mow

this being the case you should spend more time building your buisness in areas that you already have work in.and get rid of the ones you have to drive 30 min. to by raising there prices until they either quit or they pay enough to cover your drive time. i dont take new jobs outside of neighborhoods that i already go. wasting an entire day to to only get $45 per man hour.when i know there is way more $$$$ to be made is stupid.telling someone to do this is no help.

torotorotoro
02-26-2011, 04:08 PM
Few years ago i was mowing a 8acre school. Took me an another guy on a 52"ztr and a 60" ztr about 2 hours to mow. So thats 4 hours. Then there was a lot of trimming, 4 baseball fields with fencing, lots of light posts, and various items in the middle of no where. Trimming was about 1.5 hours a piece so total job was around 7 hours.

Mind you this was a large open field so we only had to turn after about a 400 foot run. If you have a lot of turning your productivity will go down slightly, but there isnt any reason why you shouldnt be able to knock out 13 acres in about 6 or 7 man hours. Trimming is another story since I dont know how much there is. But a good trimming crew can knock out a lot in a little time. Id probably fall somewhere between 800-900 on that property, and would make about $250 on it. Knock that out and maybe 1 or 2 other small comercials in a day.

but the going rate is only $25.

c3wlandscaping
03-05-2011, 01:44 AM
Lowballers don't pay taxes because they are illegal and they pay there brother 5 bucks an hour to help them. They also use yard machine lawn mowers inside vans to save on gas. Then they send half of the profits to there momma in Mexico while milking our system of democracy for free healthcare and law enforcement who would rather eat donuts and sit on there fat asses driving around pulling over Americans for speeding and expired tags because they can't pay there taxes and are in a hurry to get to there night time job to pay for food on the table so they don't have to get food stamps. Wow the great American society of Obama liberal socialists who continue to rape this once hard working country that was full of good people who helped each other out and died for the freedomss of future Americans. This country is going to **** fast. To all the hard working LCO's I appreciate the hard work. Maybe if we all unite and rise up we can instill a strong work ethic for future generations and get rid of all the illigal, and fat worthless pukes who eat at mcdonalds everyday and play video games while mom mows the lawn.



sorry it is and old thread but hell yes i agree:usflag::clapping:

c3wlandscaping
03-05-2011, 01:50 AM
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