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abrightday
01-27-2011, 03:14 PM
We just started a new account today and my son, who works for me, came running back and said, : Hey there's a guy out front with a clipboard standing by the truck! He wants to talk to you. Well it was a state DAC's inspector, wanted to see our ID cards,and lawn signs,, asked what we were spraying, wanted to see our spill kit, the whole bit. First time I was ever stopped in the field in all my 30 years of work. No problems,, :walking: passed with flying colors. Be aware they are out there, and if your not licensed fines are heavy. Glad to see them. Actually he said there were a few of them going through the area stopping all pest and landscape trucks., asking for round-up licenses also,,, be aware guys,,if your not legal, :nono: get legal or quit what your doing,,he said the state needs revenue and they are going to be out in force this year.
By the way this was in Volusia county, Debary, Florida
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Ric
01-27-2011, 03:33 PM
Abrightday

Unfortunate the DAC inspector needed some paper work and your truck has Pesticides written all over it from the equipment on down to your Name. Typical of Government Wage slaves they pick the low hanging fruit instead of chasing after the Ton of Illegal applicator that drove past you being inspected.

Landscape Poet
01-27-2011, 09:27 PM
We just started a new account today and my son, who works for me, came running back and said, : Hey there's a guy out front with a clipboard standing by the truck! He wants to talk to you. Well it was a state DAC's inspector, wanted to see our ID cards,and lawn signs,, asked what we were spraying, wanted to see our spill kit, the whole bit. First time I was ever stopped in the field in all my 30 years of work. No problems,, :walking: passed with flying colors. Be aware they are out there, and if your not licensed fines are heavy. Glad to see them. Actually he said there were a few of them going through the area stopping all pest and landscape trucks., asking for round-up licenses also,,, be aware guys,,if your not legal, :nono: get legal or quit what your doing,,he said the state needs revenue and they are going to be out in force this year.
By the way this was in Volusia county, Debary, Florida
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Good to hear you passed without getting a fine.
I have never heard of them asking for a license for Round Up. I carry my little wallet size license with me just in case but just as I know you guys face people in your part of the field without license, I know of dozens of guys who carry round up that have never gotten licensed to carry it. It would be nice to see them actually ask people for it.

If the state really wanted to stop illegal applications from happening how come they just do not make retailers of pesticides and herbicides have to enter a license number? Wouldn't that be a fairly simple process? You stop in at your local lesco and before they could sell they have to verify your license?

knox gsl
01-27-2011, 11:14 PM
My local Lesco will sell to anyone and if you have a commercial account they will sell at a discount wthout a permit to use. On the upside we have good enforcement in this area, so all I spray is my place.

Frank's Lawn Care
02-01-2011, 03:56 PM
We just started a new account today and my son, who works for me, came running back and said, : Hey there's a guy out front with a clipboard standing by the truck! He wants to talk to you. Well it was a state DAC's inspector, wanted to see our ID cards,and lawn signs,, asked what we were spraying, wanted to see our spill kit, the whole bit. First time I was ever stopped in the field in all my 30 years of work. No problems,, :walking: passed with flying colors. Be aware they are out there, and if your not licensed fines are heavy. Glad to see them. Actually he said there were a few of them going through the area stopping all pest and landscape trucks., asking for round-up licenses also,,, be aware guys,,if your not legal, :nono: get legal or quit what your doing,,he said the state needs revenue and they are going to be out in force this year.
By the way this was in Volusia county, Debary, Florida
www.YourLandscapePro.com

I was stopped last yr,got a warning for round up. I didn't know about this. So i don't offer round anymore. Not worth fees or fines. Up to $5000 fine says on papers he gave. Now i'm a cut only service. Too old for the labor part of sod and all. And accounts are easy to get here. Can do 10+ aday.

MR-G
02-06-2011, 10:31 AM
they are out in st lucie county again as well.....wish they would be more consistant...it would help the guys who are legit....

SCAG POWER
02-06-2011, 11:20 AM
Yep they "The Round up Police" Were out last August. They stoped a buddy ofmine ............. Went over his stuff with a fine tooth comb. He had a good amount of stuff on his trailer. Told the guy it was for his yard........... Still got written up. My self do not carry any thing but a shovel and some other toys............... People ask me for it, I say Home depot has it read the directions....................

They will be out this season once again...............:clapping::hammerhead:

Ric
02-06-2011, 11:44 AM
Abrightday

Unfortunate the DAC inspector needed some paper work and your truck has Pesticides written all over it from the equipment on down to your Name. Typical of Government Wage slaves they pick the low hanging fruit instead of chasing after the Ton of Illegal applicator that drove past you being inspected.

Yo Guys

I don't have an issue with a little illegal Roundup spraying. But more than that sure Pisses Me Off after going back to college and then hiring a CPO so I could get a Certification/License to be legal. What pisses me even more is the attitude of the Fly By Night Yard Boy who thinks I am the Jerk for complaining about them stealing my work. I get even Madder when the State does nothing about Illegals and fines legals guys because simple crap.

Maybe we should Let Obama enact Muslim Law. You steal!! Cut Off your Right hand. Yes you are stealing from every legal applicator when you apply illegally.

Jason Rose
02-06-2011, 11:59 AM
Why is Round Up treated differently than other herbicides? If you have a general pesticide license do you still have to get a seperate license for RU? can you attain a license for RU only so you can apply it legally while not having a general pesticide license?

Sorry for the 20 questions, just curious as to what the theory of seperating something as relatively harmless (from a personal exposure and environmental standpoint) as Round Up.

Ric
02-06-2011, 12:12 PM
Why is Round Up treated differently than other herbicides? If you have a general pesticide license do you still have to get a seperate license for RU? can you attain a license for RU only so you can apply it legally while not having a general pesticide license?

Sorry for the 20 questions, just curious as to what the theory of seperating something as relatively harmless (from a personal exposure and environmental standpoint) as Round Up.

Jason

Glyphosate invented by Dr John Franz of the Monsanto Co in 1969 is the most financially successful Pesticide every developed. You can swim in it and it won't hurt you. Spray in water and the Half life is zero and an hour later the microbe have eaten any residue.

Glyphosate was originally a Mistake by Dr Franz who was working on a Growth Regulator for turf. Today's Roundup Label (normally Section 8) still has Growth regulation rates listed for turf and which varieties are tolerant.

But the Real reason Roundup is treated different is the DEMAND for a safe weed control.

I am not going into Glyphosate resistances or Roundup ready Crops for agriculture.

BTW I am sure if Kiril sees this post he will find something wrong with it. So I will apology ahead of time.

Patriot Services
02-06-2011, 12:14 PM
It isn't. People just use the terminology wrong. Your limited license covers any pesticide,herbicide, fungicide with a CAUTION label in the beds. NO TURF. Round up is just the most common product used. But like Ric will rightly tell you knowing the problem and treating it within the limits of your cert is the real trick and you won't learn that in the 8hr class.
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Jason Rose
02-06-2011, 12:16 PM
Jason

Glyphosate invented by Dr John Franz of the Monsanto Co in 1969 is the most financially successful Pesticide every developed. You can swim in it and it won't hurt you. Spray in water and the Half life is zero and an hour later the microbe have eaten any residue.

Glyphosate was originally a Mistake by Dr Franz who was working on a Growth Regulator for turf. Today's Roundup Label (normally Section 8) still has Growth regulation rates listed for turf and which varieties are tolerant.

But the Real reason Roundup is treated different is the DEMAND for a safe weed control.

I am not going into Glyphosate resistances or Roundup ready Crops for agriculture.

Thanks, I know the history on Gly, I just wasn't clear as to why they have a seperate license just for it. I understand about the overuse of the product and possible tolerance. I know this is a HUGE problem in agriculture now.

Jason Rose
02-06-2011, 12:19 PM
It isn't. People just use the terminology wrong. Your limited license covers any pesticide,herbicide, fungicide with a CAUTION label in the beds. NO TURF. Round up is just the most common product used. But like Ric will rightly tell you knowing the problem and treating it within the limits of your cert is the real trick and you won't learn that in the 8hr class.
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Ohhh, I gotcha. Like when you tell some people "pesticide" for the weeds in their lawn and the look at you like a deer in the headlights because most people associate the term "pesticide" as for insects. Not understanding that the term encompasses any product that controls or kills ANYTHING.

Iv'e read that Florida has some of the toughest pesticide laws... Plus all the fertilizer bans in place now.

Also I do apoligize I didn't notice till now that this thread is in the FLORIDA section. I come to LS and just hit the "new posts" button so every forum shows up...

Ric
02-06-2011, 12:24 PM
It isn't. People just use the terminology wrong. Your limited license covers any pesticide,herbicide, fungicide with a CAUTION label in the beds. NO TURF. Round up is just the most common product used. But like Ric will rightly tell you knowing the problem and treating it within the limits of your cert is the real trick and you won't learn that in the 8hr class.
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Patriot

The original Limited Commercial License (circa 1991??)here in Florida (Roundup Lic) did allow the spreading of Weed & Feed on Turf. Pressure from the Certified Operator assoc lobby against it. But only after a few burnt lawns the State changed the law.

tallrick
02-06-2011, 02:40 PM
What about all the people who use gasoline and pool chlorine as a herbicide? Not to mention all the people who poured used motor oil around utility poles...

Patriot Services
02-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Those are called polluters.
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abrightday
02-07-2011, 08:39 AM
It isn't. People just use the terminology wrong. Your limited license covers any pesticide,herbicide, fungicide with a CAUTION label in the beds. NO TURF. Round up is just the most common product used. But like Ric will rightly tell you knowing the problem and treating it within the limits of your cert is the real trick and you won't learn that in the 8hr class.
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You can spray horticultural oils on ornamentals, not pesticides:nono: with a round-up license and you may not spray anything on lawns except fertilizer but that too is changing.
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Patriot Services
02-07-2011, 09:24 AM
You can spray horticultural oils on ornamentals, not pesticides:nono: with a round-up license and you may not spray anything on lawns except fertilizer but that too is changing.
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Here we go again. The IFAS site clearly states PESTICIDES in beds and on SHRUBS. I clearly stated NO TURF in my post. The site also clearly states CAUTION labels in the above mentioned areas. I also have the BMP so yes I can apply straight fert to lawns. I have a great local Ric type applicator I sub out to. I agree to not spray/spread nuthin(except roundup)and he agrees not to cut/trim/prune nuthin. A mutually beneficial relationship. Now let's start the discussion "is spraying concrete cracks out of scope since it is neither a bed or turf."
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abrightday
02-07-2011, 09:47 AM
Here we go again. The IFAS site clearly states PESTICIDES in beds and on SHRUBS. I clearly stated NO TURF in my post. The site also clearly states CAUTION labels in the above mentioned areas. I also have the BMP so yes I can apply straight fert to lawns. I have a great local Ric type applicator I sub out to. I agree to not spray/spread nuthin(except roundup)and he agrees not to cut/trim/prune nuthin. A mutually beneficial relationship. Now let's start the discussion "is spraying concrete cracks out of scope since it is neither a bed or turf."
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I didn't say you were spraying on turf, I just stated that fact,, also I should have clarified, and stand corrected, you can only use pesticides with the signal word caution on label, no danger, or warning labels,, As for cracks in pavement, sidewalks and such yes, with a limited license you can spray them,, but not growing out of a building or in a structure.

Patriot Services
02-07-2011, 10:06 AM
If you have things growing out of your buildings you got problems. How many trucks in your outfit ABD? I saw an Able truck in Beacon Woods the other day.
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Ric
02-07-2011, 10:22 AM
Here we go again. The IFAS site clearly states PESTICIDES in beds and on SHRUBS. I clearly stated NO TURF in my post. The site also clearly states CAUTION labels in the above mentioned areas. I also have the BMP so yes I can apply straight fert to lawns. I have a great local Ric type applicator I sub out to. I agree to not spray/spread nuthin(except roundup)and he agrees not to cut/trim/prune nuthin. A mutually beneficial relationship. Now let's start the discussion "is spraying concrete cracks out of scope since it is neither a bed or turf."
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Patriot

You might be missing the Boat. While Ric is a P***k about illegal application. He doesn't knock a guy for using his Limited License and BMP to it's full potential.

There is nothing wrong with you making extra money by spreading Granular fert on a lawn and networking with some one like me to spray only Insecticide and herbicide on the lawn. Fact is I have a pick up truck set up to spray only insecticide. I also have a Isuzu lawn spray truck. If you have a Limited License to treat ornamental etc. WHY NOT USE IT??? Ornamentals are easy compared to lawns. Just apply generic Granular Merit a few time a year to control sucking insects and IMP them the rest of the year. When I treat a yard for insects only, I spray the shrubs as well as the lawn. Therefore I am also taking care of chewing insects your Merit won't control. Fungus can best be controlled with good air flow. Drop pocket pruining and other culture practices will prevent most fungus. But a good IMP eye will take up slack.

Patriot Services
02-07-2011, 11:01 AM
I am still learning to use this to its full benefit. My cohort is looking to retire soon so I will not have much choice. Any dollar I can keep from TG is a bonus to me.
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Ric
02-07-2011, 01:12 PM
I am still learning to use this to its full benefit. My cohort is looking to retire soon so I will not have much choice. Any dollar I can keep from TG is a bonus to me.
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Patriot

To bad you aren't in the Orlando area or LS Member ProMo is not in your area. ProMo is a new CPO and Licensee but not new to the game in any way. He would be a perfect guy to hook up with. ProMo Both Knows his stuff and has the good old boy attitude that is easy to work with. He was a Limited license guy for years and could help you in more ways than one. By the same time as a Brand Knew start up he could use the work.

Landscape Poet
03-17-2011, 11:06 PM
Yo Guys

I don't have an issue with a little illegal Roundup spraying. But more than that sure Pisses Me Off after going back to college and then hiring a CPO so I could get a Certification/License to be legal. What pisses me even more is the attitude of the Fly By Night Yard Boy who thinks I am the Jerk for complaining about them stealing my work. I get even Madder when the State does nothing about Illegals and fines legals guys because simple crap.

Maybe we should Let Obama enact Muslim Law. You steal!! Cut Off your Right hand. Yes you are stealing from every legal applicator when you apply illegally.

Was going through post the other night and read this again - been thinking about it off and on since.
So Ric - you, the man who preaches the law to everyone on this site - has no problem with people apply roundup illegally - because it does not effect you? Interesting! So applying RU illegally is ok, even though I paid and studied for my licence, but because it is not as "valuable" as your license, it does not matter if people apply illegally?
You of all people I would of thought would have a issue with anyone applying anything illegally. Although I hate to give your grumpy old a$$ credit for anything - it was you that made me aware through this site, that I was applying illegally when I first started out down here years ago, so it concerns me that you would have the same standards for the law - when it does not personally effect you.

Ric
03-18-2011, 02:16 AM
Mikey

There are too many other issues to worry about besides Roundup spraying. The state can't control the big issues let a lone the little crap. Yes I will preach not to do it but I wouldn't turn anyone in for it. That not to say I won't turn a real bad violator in.

Frank's Lawn Care
05-11-2011, 09:25 PM
one way to bypass this law,i was told by the officer. If your account buys it and says use on my lawn. it passes by a yardman rule. and it saves me money.

abrightday
05-12-2011, 07:19 AM
one way to bypass this law,i was told by the officer. If your account buys it and says use on my lawn. it passes by a yardman rule. and it saves me money.

The law also states that you must use their equipment, not yours.
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Landscape Poet
05-12-2011, 08:11 PM
The law also states that you must use their equipment, not yours.
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Also their are restrictions on the size of the equipment that is able to be used also I believe.

Kiril
05-17-2011, 11:32 PM
Some correct info on glyphosate and environmental fate.

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/glyphos.pdf