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greenchoppers
01-31-2011, 12:38 AM
Hello Members,

We are using .095 Diamond Edge trimmer line (the orange one). We are having problems with the string sticking inside the spools while sitting in our trailer.

We have tried spraying silicone lubricant on the heads with little success. It seems the string is kind of melting together. If you take the spool out of the head, sometimes we cannot physically pull the string off the spool so naturally it will not dispense freely.

This problem only happens on string sitting in the trimmers between yards etc. It does not happen with pre-filled spools sitting in the truck or while the string is still on the big spool.

We have an open trailer and the string is exposed to the elements. We have been told to keep the string inside but our dispenser is mounted on the trailer and I don't really want it inside the truck.

Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance.

ALC-GregH
01-31-2011, 08:56 AM
try greasing the trimmer head gears on it.

All_Toro_4ME
01-31-2011, 09:06 AM
I've had this problem before and the dealer told me to put less string in the head so it wont "weld" together. Sounds backwards I know, but it seems to have helped the issue.

LibertyFarmLandscaping
01-31-2011, 09:11 AM
You might try the Stihl x-line string. We use it in .95 and .105 on open trailers with no problems. The cost is kind of high but it lasts much longer than alot of other brands that we tried.

gasracer
01-31-2011, 11:40 AM
Keep your string inside something and out of the sun. Something like a soft sided cooler. If it gets some age on it you can soak the whole spool in water overnight. Like All Toro said don't fill the spool all the way up. The "welding together" sounds like either the sun or age issue.

Big C
01-31-2011, 01:24 PM
Spray the spool and string down with Fluid Film....it works great.

Patriot Services
01-31-2011, 01:35 PM
I don't see this as a string issue. I have never had a head or gear housing heat up to the point of melting the line. I think greg is right and your grease is gone causing overheated gears.
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Richard Martin
01-31-2011, 05:41 PM
One trimmer, 2 operators. The trimmer line only welds when one operator uses it. Why???

The operator that has a welding problem tends to wait until there is only about an inch of line sticking out of the head before he advances the line. The operator that keeps plenty of line out has no problems with welding.

It is true and I had a helper for a couple of days and he would run the line right down to the head before he would try to advance it. Of course by then there wasn't enough momentum in the line to pull it out of the head. Then he would just keep on using it and I guess the RPM got so high that the head got a little warm and welded the line in place. I had to disassemble the head about once every half hour and fix it for him.

Which guy are you?

The Captain
01-31-2011, 07:46 PM
Had the same problem after I hired a helper. Myself, I've used miles of the Echo Crossfire line on their bumpheads without a problem. After I saw what Richard experienced, and I explained the principles of centrifical force to the helper, we didn't have that problem again either. (Now he goes through line like I own stock in Echo.)

Lefet
01-31-2011, 08:09 PM
Never had that problem but if I do, I'm already 2 steps ahead of the game!

Patriot Services
01-31-2011, 08:50 PM
Ok, reread the post. Op states it happens on the trimmers that are on the trailer between yards. Does this mean everytime he racks a trimmer it is ground down to a nub?
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LCPullman
01-31-2011, 09:00 PM
I usually blame low quality line for problem. I run Desert Vortex line and don't have welding problems. The stock strong that comes in my Stihl weedwackers is terrible. The Echo crossfire was pretty good if you kept the reel of line in a bucket of water, otherwise it dried out and got really brittle.

Richard Martin
02-01-2011, 04:13 AM
Ok, reread the post. Op states it happens on the trimmers that are on the trailer between yards. Does this mean everytime he racks a trimmer it is ground down to a nub?

Nope. But who checks to make sure there's enough line or that the line hasn't welded before they put a trimmer away? People usually start a trimmer up and then check the line.

"Uh oh. It's welded again. How does that keep happening when the trimmer is in the rack?"

exmark user
02-01-2011, 07:27 AM
You could also be overthreading it or overlapping it .Keep the string going in a straight line around the spool no criss cross.

Georgia Lawn Works LLC
02-01-2011, 10:26 AM
How tight are you winding the line in the head? Usually that is the only time we have any issues. The string in the head is going to do the same thing no matter how long the string is sticking out on the head. But when there is more string sticking out the easier it will be for it to come out when the head is bumped.
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Jason Rose
02-01-2011, 11:16 AM
You could also be overthreading it or overlapping it .Keep the string going in a straight line around the spool no criss cross.

I have to agree. Most likely it's not the trimmer line, it's how it's being wound onto the spool in the first place.

I've used probably a dozen different brands of line over the years and very very rarely have had a 'welding' issue with any of them. Some wear too fast, some fray on the ends, some are shaped so they wobble up and down almost like the shape of the line is acting like the wing of an airplane and creating lift. I have spools of line in my garage that I've tried and found to not work for me. One brand of line works fine on one trimmer and doesn't on the next trimmer. It's crazy, I know...

Another thing that causes the line to weld is running the trimmer at WOT all the time. Yes, I know the mfg. and your dealer recommend that and say it's better for the engine, but I call BS on that whole theory. I've been running mine with only as much throttle as necessary to do the job for as long as I've been running trimmers and I've never had one overheat and seize up as they claim could happen.

Currently I've been using the Echo crossfire .095 line and have had good luck. Previously I was using shakespere extreme .080.

Worst line I've ever bought is the Stihl .095. Sadly I bought a 5 pound spool! That crap wore off faster than any line I've ever used in my life. I swear it would wear off just spinning in the air! So now I have a $65 spool of line that is just sitting. I refuse to use it as I don't enjoy reloading the spool every day! there was a few times I didn't even make it thru a full day! With most lines I've used I can go almost a full week on a spool!

Frank's Lawn Care
02-01-2011, 12:17 PM
Had the same problem after I hired a helper. Myself, I've used miles of the Echo Crossfire line on their bumpheads without a problem. After I saw what Richard experienced, and I explained the principles of centrifical force to the helper, we didn't have that problem again either. (Now he goes through line like I own stock in Echo.)

LOL The Fear!

ReddensLawnCare
02-06-2011, 02:29 PM
a week on a spool! How many yards do you do. During peak season I will do 9 or 10 per day and go through about 1.5 spools each day...am i the only one or does that sound about right. I try not to run my stuff WOT but i also do a lot around brick work and I edge, so that may be the differnce??

Frank's Lawn Care
02-06-2011, 03:30 PM
I use a echo speed loader head. Do around 8-10 yards a day, and get a couple days per spool. Must times i advance line by mistake. bumping the ground. I'm a solo. i buy the 3lb spools. think its.095?

Pennington Lawncare
02-06-2011, 04:08 PM
I think the round lines without the edges tend to weld together less. The Husqvarna silver colored line like can be found at Lowes lasts a long time and feeds fine in a Speed-Feed 450 head.

Jason Rose
02-06-2011, 04:22 PM
a week on a spool! How many yards do you do. During peak season I will do 9 or 10 per day and go through about 1.5 spools each day...am i the only one or does that sound about right. I try not to run my stuff WOT but i also do a lot around brick work and I edge, so that may be the differnce??

Me? About 80 to 85 a week... I edge with my trimmer a lot too. I can often do a whole lawn and bump the feed just once or twice. Range in size from 4k to 100k sq feet.
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yardguy28
02-06-2011, 04:35 PM
One trimmer, 2 operators. The trimmer line only welds when one operator uses it. Why???

The operator that has a welding problem tends to wait until there is only about an inch of line sticking out of the head before he advances the line. The operator that keeps plenty of line out has no problems with welding.

It is true and I had a helper for a couple of days and he would run the line right down to the head before he would try to advance it. Of course by then there wasn't enough momentum in the line to pull it out of the head. Then he would just keep on using it and I guess the RPM got so high that the head got a little warm and welded the line in place. I had to disassemble the head about once every half hour and fix it for him.

Which guy are you?

i'm the guy who waits until there is an inch of line stick out to advance it and has no problems with line welding together.......:waving:

orlawncaresvc
02-06-2011, 07:12 PM
What brand of string trimmer do you operate? We recommend you use speed feed heads. Those are made by shindaiwa, but there are other brands that are universal and fit other trimmers.. We had the same problem until we switched over to the speed feed. So easy and fast to load. Also recommend you start using gator line. The best line we have used by far. It is much more price wise but well worth it. It last so much longer to.
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greenchoppers
02-06-2011, 11:33 PM
What brand of string trimmer do you operate? We recommend you use speed feed heads. Those are made by shindaiwa, but there are other brands that are universal and fit other trimmers.. We had the same problem until we switched over to the speed feed. So easy and fast to load. Also recommend you start using gator line. The best line we have used by far. It is much more price wise but well worth it. It last so much longer to.
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We are using diamond edge string line. It is orange in color and we use .095 thickness.

Where do you buy gator line?

orlawncaresvc
02-07-2011, 01:04 AM
We get ours from our local dealer. You can check out www.oregonchain.com. They don't sell it directly from their website but they can guide you to a nearest dealer that may sell it in your area. Also you can try www.northerntool.com. Also www.baileys.com. We use the .95 round. And it last very long. We always purchase the 5lb spool.
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LibertyFarmLandscaping
02-07-2011, 06:17 AM
We are using diamond edge string line. It is orange in color and we use .095 thickness.

Where do you buy gator line?

Available through this forum sponsor:

http://www.mowpart.com/Trimmer-Line/c922/index.html

JayD
02-07-2011, 09:19 PM
Had the same problem after I hired a helper. Myself, I've used miles of the Echo Crossfire line on their bumpheads without a problem. After I saw what Richard experienced, and I explained the principles of centrifical force to the helper, we didn't have that problem again either. (Now he goes through line like I own stock in Echo.)

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
I do like what richard said, we too have that problem, and it drives me nuts. I will try that and see if it helps.

JayD
02-07-2011, 09:29 PM
We are using diamond edge string line. It is orange in color and we use .095 thickness.

Where do you buy gator line?

I just got a catalog today from Express mower ( www.expressmowerparts.com), they have that line in there, I was thinking of trying it myself.

greenchoppers
02-21-2011, 09:56 PM
We get ours from our local dealer. You can check out www.oregonchain.com. They don't sell it directly from their website but they can guide you to a nearest dealer that may sell it in your area. Also you can try www.northerntool.com. Also www.baileys.com. We use the .95 round. And it last very long. We always purchase the 5lb spool.
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Are you guys running Professional Gatorline or Magnum Gatorline? Square or round?

Grass Shark
02-21-2011, 10:22 PM
I had this problem all last season. We were running .095" Redmax round type string, then switched to echo .095" string with the edges.... it still melted together. Then we went to STIHL .105" and it would do it rarely. I never thought about poor greasing being partially the problem and they may have been it for my case. I think that Richard Martin brings up a good point about guys waiting to tap though. I have trimmer guys so this problem was not happening to me first hand running a machine, I was just repeatedly handed stuck heads.