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dishboy
02-10-2011, 11:47 AM
http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010-v-6-work-truck-shootout.html

poolboy
02-11-2011, 02:38 AM
Interesting, how Ford's 3.7L put up such better HP/Torque #'s over the other 3.7 and 4.3. Also, the website is horribly put together.

dishboy
02-11-2011, 07:55 AM
Interesting, how Ford's 3.7L put up such better HP/Torque #'s over the other 3.7 and 4.3. Also, the website is horribly put together.

I drove one yesterday and it really gets with the program and makes a nice handling truck with a light motor up front . This engine is light years ahead what my old 4.2 was.

MLAWCARE
02-11-2011, 04:25 PM
I have the 4.2 really looking at the eco boost for my next truck. I would still take the 4.2 over chevy's small V8 it was in the rental truck I had I think the ford 4.2 has more power.

Deori
02-11-2011, 08:09 PM
Hey great article, thanks for sharing! I've got an old 4.2 V6 myself so it was enjoyable for me to see a V6 shootout :) Of course, it wasn't much of a challenge considering that Ford has a brand new engine and trans combo stacked up against Dodge & GM's old stuff, but it still made for a great read.

It's crazy to see the rate at which these engines are advancing. Their BASE V6 engine putting out 300HP, averaging 21 mpgs unloaded, and mated to a 6-speed automatic trans, hell yeah! Dodge and GM are right on their heels I'm sure but Ford beat 'em to the punch with their new engine lineup. Now let's just hope they don't have any of the crappy issues that Ford's last line had (spark plugs and bad gaskets come to mind).

Steven B
02-15-2011, 05:00 PM
The new ford sure does look nice.
The GM 4.3 hasn't changed much over the past couple years & they need to change that. My 02 s10 has 190hp, but they're built good & reliable.

lawnboy dan
02-15-2011, 05:50 PM
no tundra? i have a rare v6 tundra reg cab and its the best work truck one could ask for

DavidNJ
02-15-2011, 06:05 PM
The Ford is in a different class of engine and price.

First, a 4v DOHC vs. some archaic pushrod V6s? Naturally balanced 60° cylinder bank angle vs. forced 90° angles with offset cranks? Note, it has over 1 point higher compression and produces 50% more power. The only knock is whether Ford altered the tuning enough for truck use.

Second, the Ford costs 15-20% more than the others. Doesn't that count? If price was no issue why not convert Rolls Royces to truck use? Or may a Bugatti? 1000 hp could be useful. :) The key is to deliver a product for a price.

dishboy
02-15-2011, 06:51 PM
The Ford is in a different class of engine and price.

First, a 4v DOHC vs. some archaic pushrod V6s? Naturally balanced 60° cylinder bank angle vs. forced 90° angles with offset cranks? Note, it has over 1 point higher compression and produces 50% more power. The only knock is whether Ford altered the tuning enough for truck use.

Second, the Ford costs 15-20% more than the others. Doesn't that count? If price was no issue why not convert Rolls Royces to truck use? Or may a Bugatti? 1000 hp could be useful. :) The key is to deliver a product for a price.

Initial cost is only one consideration when considering a truck. Fuel savings on the Ford alone is worth over $500.00 a year if using EPA numbers as a guide and then we can talk about Consumer Reports projected reliability on the two brands and Ford win hands down. Plus the Dodge is Fugly.

weed wacker 2
02-15-2011, 08:11 PM
Give the ecoboost another year or so to work out any bugs.

DavidNJ
02-15-2011, 09:14 PM
Give the ecoboost another year or so to work out any bugs.

This isn't the Ecoboost. This is the conventional V6 that sits under the hood of the Mustang and is roughly similar to the 300+hp 3.5-4.0L engines in several foreign brands. However, in those brands it is in sports cars and large passenger sedans, not trucks.

It would take a lot of gas to get $4000 back. You are at the price point where the Ford V6 competes against other brands V8s.

weed wacker 2
02-15-2011, 09:59 PM
This isn't the Ecoboost. This is the conventional V6 that sits under the hood of the Mustang and is roughly similar to the 300+hp 3.5-4.0L engines in several foreign brands. However, in those brands it is in sports cars and large passenger sedans, not trucks.

It would take a lot of gas to get $4000 back. You are at the price point where the Ford V6 competes against other brands V8s.

Ok Im on yhe same page with you. Ive never had a v6 in anything. Ive heard good things about the older ford inline 6 though.

DavidNJ
02-15-2011, 11:24 PM
Just for some math, lets say one truck gets 15mpg and another gets 20mpg, gas is $4/gal. That would occur when the truck hits 60k miles. In stop and go driving is the difference really that great? If not, the miles would have to be higher.

While Ford has the most advanced engines, the coil spring rear suspension gives Dodge the edge in chassis. Note: that was supposed to be a joint Chrysler/Nissan pickup before the Fiat takeover.

Knight511
02-16-2011, 03:09 AM
I don't think the Ford V6 will shine quite as much once compared to the new Dodge Penta star... combine the new Dodge V6 with the better suspension, it sounds like a winner to me.

I could only hope GM will follow suit and put the old ass V6 they insist on using to bed sometime in the NEAR future.

dishboy
02-16-2011, 08:03 AM
This isn't the Ecoboost. This is the conventional V6 that sits under the hood of the Mustang and is roughly similar to the 300+hp 3.5-4.0L engines in several foreign brands. However, in those brands it is in sports cars and large passenger sedans, not trucks.

It would take a lot of gas to get $4000 back. You are at the price point where the Ford V6 competes against other brands V8s.

If you build a 2011 ram with a trailer hitch you get 21785.00, if you build a 2011 F100 with a tow package you get 23765.00. Does not sound like a $4000.00 difference to me. Having not driven a Dodge I can not speak to the coil rear suspension, but the Ford supercab rides as well as the 2010 Ford Sport Track which has independent rear coil suspension. Since we are talking about a work truck, it is my opinion that a leaf is a better design for towing especially we adding weight to the bed. I am pretty sure coils lack any progressiveness that a leaf system affords. Ford also wins in initial quality(JD Powell) and safety with the ram receiving a marginal side impact rating. Personally my life is worth 2K.

Landrus2
02-16-2011, 08:07 AM
If they were diesel that would rock

dishboy
02-16-2011, 08:15 AM
If they were diesel that would rock

Except you will never pay for the upgrade in the weight class being discussed.

DavidNJ
02-16-2011, 08:33 AM
If you build a 2011 ram with a trailer hitch you get 21785.00, if you build a 2011 F100 with a tow package you get 23765.00. Does not sound like a $4000.00 difference to me. Having not driven a Dodge I can not speak to the coil rear suspension, but the Ford supercab rides as well as the 2010 Ford Sport Track which has independent rear coil suspension. Since we are talking about a work truck, it is my opinion that a leaf is a better design for towing especially we adding weight to the bed. I am pretty sure coils lack any progressiveness that a leaf system affords. Ford also wins in initial quality(JD Powell) and safety with the ram receiving a marginal side impact rating. Personally my life is worth 2K.

That would be $2000, still pretty significant. If you try to make sure each has the same features, the difference may grow.

The Ford is a fine truck. Like others, I'm not fond of the Dodge styling; the stylists on the current model lost sight of the original concept that evoked an 18-wheeler. To me, the current model evokes the older Dodge Rams which were only bought on fleet sales when virtually given away.

DavidNJ
02-16-2011, 12:39 PM
http://www.insideline.com/dodge/ram-pickup-1500/2009/2009-full-size-pickup-truck-comparison-test-and-video.html#article_pagination_top_0

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q1/dodge_ram_vs._ford_f-150_and_chevy_silverado-comparison_tests

http://www.insideline.com/ford/f-150/2011/2011-ford-f-150-ecoboost-v6-supercrew-first-drive.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q3/2011_ford_f-150_ecoboost_v6-first_drive_review

dishboy
02-16-2011, 02:30 PM
http://www.insideline.com/dodge/ram-pickup-1500/2009/2009-full-size-pickup-truck-comparison-test-and-video.html#article_pagination_top_0

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q1/dodge_ram_vs._ford_f-150_and_chevy_silverado-comparison_tests

http://www.insideline.com/ford/f-150/2011/2011-ford-f-150-ecoboost-v6-supercrew-first-drive.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q3/2011_ford_f-150_ecoboost_v6-first_drive_reviewI like these better;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar9rqb9ltnE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G6z0fRZH7k&feature=player_embedded

dishboy
02-16-2011, 03:01 PM
I like these better;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar9rqb9ltnE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G6z0fRZH7k&feature=player_embedded

one more;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompgitTh1Hk

hosejockey2002
02-17-2011, 11:34 PM
no tundra? i have a rare v6 tundra reg cab and its the best work truck one could ask for

In the article it was mentioned that they were supposed to test a Tundra but it was severely damaged during transport and they could not get a replacement truck. I think the Tundra would have fared very well in this shootout.

SNAPPER MAN
02-17-2011, 11:55 PM
A truck not mentioned is the Nissan frontier. I was looking at them today and am really considering trading my silverado for one. They are bulletproof trucks.
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DavidNJ
02-18-2011, 12:28 AM
The Frontier is a smaller truck; the full size model is the Titan which was supposed to share a platform with the Dodge before the Fiat acquisition. The Titan only comes with a V8 and as a 'King' Cab or Crew Cab. Neither with a full length bed. However, I drive an SUV relative of the Titan, and it is a nice package. The Titan though would be a bit dated and close to end-of-life as a new model.

The Tundra finished second in the 2009 Car and Driver test. It would be in the hunt.

dishboy
02-18-2011, 09:55 AM
A truck not mentioned is the Nissan frontier. I was looking at them today and am really considering trading my silverado for one. They are bulletproof trucks.
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We just unloaded our Frontier, my F 250 4X4 rides better and the Frontier fuel mileage is mediocre.