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South Florida Lawns
02-12-2011, 03:32 PM
So when we do installs we can keep it all in house. Only thing is we need 3yrs of experience. Who's hiring lol.

tallrick
02-12-2011, 06:25 PM
So when we do installs we can keep it all in house. Only thing is we need 3yrs of experience. Who's hiring lol.

These licenses are only there to limit the competition. Of course they make them next to impossible to get. Maybe a group of us needs to lobby the county commissioners to change the requirements. That's the Wall street way!

Ric
02-12-2011, 06:52 PM
These licenses are only there to limit the competition. Of course they make them next to impossible to get. Maybe a group of us needs to lobby the county commissioners to change the requirements. That's the Wall street way!

Tallrick

ONE MORE TIME PEOPLE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT THIS TIME. IF YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND IT THIS TIME. Then LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE I DON"T MAKE THE LAWS I ONLY TRY AND LIVE WITHIN THEM.



The 3 year Requirement to sit for the test is there to be sure the Irrigation Contractor knows his stuff. The same as the Pesticide test. I have tried to explain over and over again it is not the Theory of Irrigation or Plumbing that makes it hard. It is the Thousand different Manufactures that make the same fixture. As a Licensed Irrigation contractor you are expected to be able to repair an other contractors work. Also there is a Plumbing Code that must be followed if the system is to pass inspection.

Greg78
02-12-2011, 07:20 PM
Truth Be told I bought a Irrigation company and had the previous owner signed me off as a employee for 3 years so I could sit for the test..

Just do it this way........ :hammerhead:

Ric
02-12-2011, 07:28 PM
Just do it this way........ :hammerhead:

Greg

You need a sharp knife to cut the mustard, not a butter knife.

Kiril
02-12-2011, 11:28 PM
Funny thing is .... despite the "hard" requirements, irrigation in FL is the joke of the land. :laugh:

tallrick
02-13-2011, 09:52 AM
Tallrick

ONE MORE TIME PEOPLE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT THIS TIME. IF YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND IT THIS TIME. Then LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE I DON"T MAKE THE LAWS I ONLY TRY AND LIVE WITHIN THEM.



The 3 year Requirement to sit for the test is there to be sure the Irrigation Contractor knows his stuff. The same as the Pesticide test. I have tried to explain over and over again it is not the Theory of Irrigation or Plumbing that makes it hard. It is the Thousand different Manufactures that make the same fixture. As a Licensed Irrigation contractor you are expected to be able to repair an other contractors work. Also there is a Plumbing Code that must be followed if the system is to pass inspection.

No. If a person can learn irrigation on his own and pass the tests, why is that not sufficient? Perhaps the tests are too easy so that less than the best can pass it? It does not take 3 years to learn irrigation, perhaps 3 months is too long as well. Personally I believe that licensing should be optional, and the customer can choose whether to hire a qualified contractor or get a cheap hack job. Most irrigation here is independent of the potable water supply anyway. It is not hard to repair a sprinkler system, or install one that can last for decades and perform well.

Patriot Services
02-13-2011, 02:23 PM
Would you want to live in a house built by unlicensed/untested contractors? Every day I see streets getting watered, popups in flower beds and sticking 6" above the turf. We can't afford to waste water and you won't learn design and install in 3 months. Trades are taught in a step fashion, apprentice, journeyman and master. You can't read a book and become a skilled tradesman.
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zturncutter
02-13-2011, 02:37 PM
" Personally I believe that licensing should be optional, and the customer can choose whether to hire a qualified contractor or get a cheap hack job. "

If licensing was not mandatory how would the homeowner know the diferrence between a hack job and a quality job ?

zturncutter
02-13-2011, 02:47 PM
"It does not take 3 years to learn irrigation, perhaps 3 months is too long as well. "

WHAAAT, :laugh:. I was installing systems in the late 70's for two different licensed contractors as well as spending a year with a plumbing contractor in the early 80's when I got out of this business for a while. I learn something new all the time, 3 months does not make anyone a competent installer or repair tech.

tallrick
02-13-2011, 03:06 PM
Well let's see, I built my own home, do all my own mechanical work, and installed a sprinkler system at the age of 16 that still works fine. Irrigation is not complex and even a teenager can learn how to do it. When that same sprinkler system runs the sidewalks and street remain dry, and no dead spots appear in the lawn. My dad and I even pounded in the well ourselves with a tripod made from 2 x 4's and a stack of weights on a bar! Most of the contractors I see have low-paid, low skill labor doing the work anyway. You do not need years of training to run a trencher, glue pipes and screw in heads. Simple math and common sense along with a piece of paper is all that is necessary to lay out a good system. Are you guys using multivariable calculus to calculate flow? Are you even using bernoulli's equation to calculate pressure drops? I think not. Licensing is just to limit competition, plain and simple. If the quality of work really mattered you would not see homes with plumbing problems, roof problems or being damaged by storms or termites.

Ric
02-13-2011, 03:11 PM
" Personally I believe that licensing should be optional, and the customer can choose whether to hire a qualified contractor or get a cheap hack job. "

If licensing was not mandatory how would the homeowner know the diferrence between a hack job and a quality job ?

Z turn

Doesn't the customer have that type of Opposition now?? They can go with the word of mouth guy that has the reputation, or they can go with the guy advertising in the Penny Saver. It really doesn't matter to most customers if you have a fancy License. It is the quality of work and in some cases the feeling they are getting the job cheaper because there is no license.

Funny story here. Had a guy approach me while I was Spraying Ants. Told me right off he would pay cash and didn't need an invoice and wouldn't tell my boss. I charge him 150% of my normal price and he is happy because he thinks I am cheating my boss. Someday he will find out I am the Boss and he "F" himself trying to get over.

Ric
02-13-2011, 03:21 PM
No. If a person can learn irrigation on his own and pass the tests, why is that not sufficient? Perhaps the tests are too easy so that less than the best can pass it? It does not take 3 years to learn irrigation, perhaps 3 months is too long as well. Personally I believe that licensing should be optional, and the customer can choose whether to hire a qualified contractor or get a cheap hack job. Most irrigation here is independent of the potable water supply anyway. It is not hard to repair a sprinkler system, or install one that can last for decades and perform well.

Tallrick & South Florida Lawns

Guys The Law is the Law and you or I can't change it. So STOP CRYING about the law and get off your dead center and find some way to use the system to your advantage. HELLO I DID.

I just Hired a guy part time and gave him a Spray card. I had to provide 40 hours of training before issuing that applicators Card under the law. 38 of those training hours were directly related to Chapter 482 and how it applies to each situations. The system is a bear until you get on the band wagon and use it to your advantage not the systems advantage.

zturncutter
02-13-2011, 03:29 PM
I can see the points both of you are making. I guess I just keep hoping that some day quality would ALWAYS pay better than crap, maybe a pipe dream I guess. I know when I am talking to customers about head to head coverage and separating landscape and turf zones they just look at me with that glassy eyed stare and then say - yea but what's your best price ;)

tallrick
02-13-2011, 03:32 PM
To use the system forget about working and enter politics. Why work for a living when you can steal with impunity? As for me I will continue to my own work. All I am trying to do is prove that a license does not guarantee quality. I have always been disappointed when I allow licensed contractors to do work for me.

Ric
02-13-2011, 03:50 PM
I can see the points both of you are making. I guess I just keep hoping that some day quality would ALWAYS pay better than crap, maybe a pipe dream I guess. I know when I am talking to customers about head to head coverage and separating landscape and turf zones they just look at me with that glassy eyed stare and then say - yea but what's your best price ;)

Z Turn

So you have seen Dan B, Billy S and R&K Plateau to Plateau 3 zone installs with no glue south of the solenoids. Yes fine examples of $ 1100.00 city water hook up. BTW the Brass Back Flow preventer is close to $ 300.00 and Dan B is known to actually purchased one several years ago. He uses it on every inspection. Erin At Code Enforcement is a...... well let us just say it is easier to pull a permit on line.

Just remember the Housing Contractor attitude here in Florida and most of the USA. Plastic Pipes behind the walls and Gold Faucets in front of the wall. Hey if it under ground or behind the walls Screw it use the cheapest crap there is.

lottturf
03-11-2011, 07:42 PM
i want get a license in oklahoma city, been lawn business for four years ,what do i need to do . i was an irrigation tech at a golf course in new mexico
worked with toro and rainbird, and buckner system.

Patriot Services
03-11-2011, 07:53 PM
i want get a license in oklahoma city, been lawn business for four years ,what do i need to do . i was an irrigation tech at a golf course in new mexico
worked with toro and rainbird, and buckner system.

You are in the Florida Forum. I doubt anybody here can give the correct info. Go to Irrigation forum and start a thread. I am sure a fellow Sooner will chime in help. If its anything like Florida it can vary from city and county to being a state contractor license.
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nameistaken
03-12-2011, 11:50 AM
Funny thing is .... despite the "hard" requirements, irrigation in FL is the joke of the land. :laugh:I thought that is what you said about Texas irrigation! :laugh:

lawnman_scott
03-12-2011, 10:52 PM
Tallrick & South Florida Lawns

Guys The Law is the Law and you or I can't change it. So STOP CRYING about the law and get off your dead center and find some way to use the system to your advantage. HELLO I DID.

I just Hired a guy part time and gave him a Spray card. I had to provide 40 hours of training before issuing that applicators Card under the law. 38 of those training hours were directly related to Chapter 482 and how it applies to each situations. The system is a bear until you get on the band wagon and use it to your advantage not the systems advantage.I have a question. Can you move to Pensecola and live there for the next 3 years and have this guy "work" under you and get his time in? If so, the system is flawed. Same as the Chemlawn "Pros" who work under someone on their license. The law is flawed, and that fact is plainly obvious.

Ric
03-15-2011, 02:23 PM
I have a question. Can you move to Pensecola and live there for the next 3 years and have this guy "work" under you and get his time in? If so, the system is flawed. Same as the Chemlawn "Pros" who work under someone on their license. The law is flawed, and that fact is plainly obvious.

Scott

The laws not flawed in any way or shape. It is designed so people can work with an experience applicator and learn the tricks of the trade. As a general rule you don't see Florida CPO asking the same dumb questions you see other state's CPO asking because they have training. Florida is the bug capital of America and as such we don't want every Tom Dick & Harry applying toxic chemicals without some kind of training

If in fact the pesticide license in Florida was given away in cracker jack boxes like the rest on the states, Florida CPO's would be low balling price just like the Yankees do. Hello we get $ 15.00 a thousand they are lucky to get $ 5.00 a thousand for the same work.

Yep you have to work for it, but the reward is a more income for less work than cutting grass. Sorry But the average Yard Boy doesn't have what it takes to get there. Maybe that why they are Yard Boys.

PS. I have offered to train people and get them a commercial pesticide license, so don't blame me. The same Yard Boys who ***** about the law are the same Yard Boys won't take me up on helping them get a license.

BTW WHY do I have to move to help you??

Ric
03-15-2011, 06:04 PM
I have a question. Can you move to Pensecola and live there for the next 3 years and have this guy "work" under you and get his time in? If so, the system is flawed. Same as the Chemlawn "Pros" who work under someone on their license. The law is flawed, and that fact is plainly obvious.

Scott

While I want to believe you are joking, the more I think about your request for ME TO MOVE TO HELP YOU, the madder I get. It represents the attitude of selfish Yard Boy who expects everything to be handed to him for free. Then you Complain about the Law because it doesn't let you skate by with no effort on your part. How is this not like the people on welfare and food stamp who just slide by on government hand out.

TheGoat
03-16-2011, 10:40 PM
Tallrick

ONE MORE TIME PEOPLE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT THIS TIME. IF YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND IT THIS TIME. Then LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE I DON"T MAKE THE LAWS I ONLY TRY AND LIVE WITHIN THEM.



The 3 year Requirement to sit for the test is there to be sure the Irrigation Contractor knows his stuff. The same as the Pesticide test. I have tried to explain over and over again it is not the Theory of Irrigation or Plumbing that makes it hard. It is the Thousand different Manufactures that make the same fixture. As a Licensed Irrigation contractor you are expected to be able to repair an other contractors work. Also there is a Plumbing Code that must be followed if the system is to pass inspection.


seems to me that the test ought to be what makes sure the contractor knows his stuff.

after all, that IS what tests are for...

tallrick
03-16-2011, 11:46 PM
seems to me that the test ought to be what makes sure the contractor knows his stuff.

after all, that IS what tests are for...

I thought that too, but evidently that is not the purpose. Give the tests free of charge and after passing the written sections then have the person work on a few systems. This is not brain surgery or rocket science. In the building industry the ultimate judge of workmanship is supposed to be the inspector, so it should not matter who does the work. But we know that licensing is really to limit competition and increase profits. If the tests were too hard many current contractors would be out of business. It is also to bring revenue to government and to the well connected educational industry.