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fatboynormmie
02-15-2011, 10:59 PM
Do any of you lawnsite fella's and gal's have any feedback on the new Turfco xt5.Interested in how well the unit pulls plugs .Has anyone used both units and are there any advantages or disadvantages that the Turfco xt5 has over the Lawn Solutions 21" aerator.

Exact Rototilling
02-17-2011, 12:58 AM
If my memory is correct they won't ship till March which is already well into aeration season in many areas. What I'm wondering about is the dimensions of the Turfco one vs. the Lawn Solutions unit. Still haven't figured out if the Turfco one has 5 tines across or 6?

fatboynormmie
02-17-2011, 02:13 AM
Thanks Exact Rototilling for the heads up on the March release after going back through the turfco thread I did see a release date.I wonder if Turfco put out any demo units for trial basis?Been kicking around replacing my current aerator and have been following your threads on your Plugr unit and what a good job it does pulling plugs.My area isn't real rocky so I shouldn't have as much wear and tear issues as your experiencing .Just wanted to see how the Turfco stacked up in the hydro aerator world so I could make the best educated decisions .

Exact Rototilling
02-17-2011, 01:57 PM
Thanks Exact Rototilling for the heads up on the March release after going back through the turfco thread I did see a release date.I wonder if Turfco put out any demo units for trial basis?Been kicking around replacing my current aerator and have been following your threads on your Plugr unit and what a good job it does pulling plugs.My area isn't real rocky so I shouldn't have as much wear and tear issues as your experiencing .Just wanted to see how the Turfco stacked up in the hydro aerator world so I could make the best educated decisions .

fatboynormmie,

The Plugr Hydro's are a dream to run in soil free of rocks and rooted areas plus the pneumatic tires allow one to drop the rear of the unit to compensate for tine wear. As Plugr tines wear the core diameters actually increase slightly resulting in a shorter and fatter plug.

The Lawn Solutions is a big relief to run in lawns that have high rock counts.

There are pros and cons on reciprocating vs. rolling tines. Soil fracturing is a plus due to the elongation process of the tine entering and leavening the hole. Some claim reciprocating aerators compact the bottom of the plug hole?

Purdue seems to think there is an advantage:

snipped from http://www.agry.purdue.edu/turf/pubs/AY-8.pdf

Exact Rototilling
02-18-2011, 05:34 PM
Just got the latest issue of TURF and I was thinking... sweet a review of the new Turfco unit....nah just a picture of it. Dang! :laugh:

CHARLES CUE
02-18-2011, 11:08 PM
Just got the latest issue of TURF and I was thinking... sweet a review of the new Turfco unit....nah just a picture of it. Dang! :laugh:

Last month they had a article on the plunger but like usual a lot of word but no info.

Charles Cue

Exact Rototilling
02-19-2011, 01:17 AM
Last month they had a article on the plunger but like usual a lot of word but no info.

Charles Cue
Plunger....:laugh:

Yeah you're right I have a vague memory of that. Just pulled it and yes agree.

I'd love for Plugr to send me a 855 for full review and I'm sure it is an improvement over the my 850's but....I don't hold back since I'm an equal opportunity critic. I know for a fact my comments here on this forum have sold a number of Hydro Plugrs over the years as well as David's Lawn Solutions 21" WB Aerator - I'm still waiting for payup...oh well.

If Turfco wants to send me the new unit for comparison I'd be happy to run it through it's paces.

fatboynormmie
02-19-2011, 02:22 AM
Plunger....:laugh:



I'd love for Plugr to send me a 855 for full review and I'm sure it is an improvement over the my 850's but....I don't hold back since I'm an equal opportunity critic. I know for a fact my comments here on this forum have sold a number of Hydro Plugrs over the years as well as David's Lawn Solutions 21" WB Aerator - I'm still waiting for payup...oh well.

If Turfco wants to send me the new unit for comparison I'd be happy to run it through it's paces.

Hey Exact Rototilling I guess it's all your fault then, for my purchase so I'm holding you accountable.:laugh:

With how rough your condition's are with that rocky soil you would really give those machines a proper workout.I would love to see Turfco and Plugr let you put their machines through their paces.I know you would give an honest review of your findings.Some how though I don't ever see this happening.

Exact Rototilling
02-19-2011, 06:42 PM
Hey Exact Rototilling I guess it's all your fault then, for my purchase so I'm holding you accountable.:laugh:

With how rough your condition's are with that rocky soil you would really give those machines a proper workout.I would love to see Turfco and Plugr let you put their machines through their paces.I know you would give an honest review of your findings.Some how though I don't ever see this happening.

Not much happens other than a gentle clunk when the LS 21" hits rock here. What I do wonder is how the LS stander would handle them??? Lawn here at the house is riddle with them. I expect the LS design to outlast a Plugr easily with far fewer structural issue than the jack hammer hell the Plugrs are subjected to. Just need to bring in more $ with the Plugr to off set burned up tines, cracked engine cases and repairs etc.

Other than a comparison of running the Turfco unit [assuming 4" x 6"] the tighter LS pattern of 3.5 x 6" [with added weight to offset this] just works better in my new controversial marketing angle with more plugs than the other guys. Accurate plug count per square foot plus the even greater affected surface area impacted on the grass then tied in with greatest benefit and the math to prove it. Also going to offer a double Plugr pass for extra $ for a truly ideal aeration. I have collected tine spacing data on many other units on the market. Some of the tine spacing out there is pretty sparse. Every lawn I have seen aerated by the big companies here has the typical sparse pattern including the big one locally who runs the site sponsors units exclusively. I always shake my head and think what a rip off when I look at their plug patterns next to mine or around town.

I did an estimate last spring for aeration and I told the potential customers hey I pull more plugs and I quoted her $115 for aeration other Big local Co. quoted $85....and she later said she was going to go with the other guys because they won a free barbeque from the other Co. in home show and wanted to offset their winnings even though I pull more plugs.....WT? :confused: :hammerhead:
That other company doesn't mark sprinklers and takes chances and says their guy know what to look out for and they will fix heads if they are hit. Anyhow.....more plugs means nothing to many and I still believe when people are presented with the facts they will jump on board.

Not to worried about local competitors. Most Plugrs in the area are 400's and 600's with the more sparse pattern. I have never seen a Hydro Plugr in my area other than mine or a Ryan 28 or even the tug fest PL 800 with the same tine spacing as the 850 & 855. PL 800 is handicapped since you cant drop the rear of the machine as tines wear with lower tire pressure etc.

Exact Rototilling
02-19-2011, 06:52 PM
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DA Quality Lawn & YS
02-19-2011, 11:34 PM
Good thread, I wanna know the diff between LS's aerator and Turfco's new one.
I am going to get one or the other by this fall - may as well make it the best one for the buck.

CHARLES CUE
02-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Good thread, I wanna know the diff between LS's aerator and Turfco's new one.
I am going to get one or the other by this fall - may as well make it the best one for the buck.

I looked at both I would say they were designed buy the same person ? They are the same but a little different. I would not buy earthier because they are front wheel drive.And do not go very well in transport mode. But if had to chose one it would be a turfco because the hump in the back come off so you can work on the tines.To me that is a big plus With out turning it over. Just my thoughts

Charles Cue

Exact Rototilling
02-20-2011, 09:05 PM
With Lawn Solutions fold.to handleto the front tip unit and stand it up on concrete. Stays in place.just fine lots of access.
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Exact Rototilling
03-25-2011, 09:57 PM
Ok any XT5 owner out there yet? Post pics of your Plugs already.

Pics of your plugs will get pics of my LS WB plugs :laugh:

Also post pics of the meat and potatoes of the machine - lets see some tines. Measure them across etc. :clapping:

lawn king
03-29-2011, 06:52 AM
I'm going into my 3rd season with the lawn solutions machine. Its a very reliable unit, fairly easy to operate & it pulls lots of quality plugs! No need to make a second pass with this machine!

fatboynormmie
03-29-2011, 10:29 AM
I'm going into my 3rd season with the lawn solutions machine. Its a very reliable unit, fairly easy to operate & it pulls lots of quality plugs! No need to make a second pass with this machine!

I agree it is easy to use and a reliable unit so far but as to the(QUALITY PLUGS) it is no where near the Plugr machines.I think Exact Rottotilling has proven that on his comparison test pic's.Every area is different and every lawn guy has an opinion on what quality is and it is very subjective.This wasn't my first aerator and I know there is a difference between machines.I love the ease of use the LS provides but there is room for improvement in plug pulling capability's.I'm not saying it's a bad piece of equipment just not everything I expected .I purchased the unit due to all the glowing reviews like yours and when I got the machine was surprised how traction limited it was in transport mode and was wondering where all the plugs were at because I see all the holes .I was surprised no one had ever mentioned it before but since I have brought it to light other's have chimed in with the same complaint's as well.I'm not here to bash on LS I just want my version of the truth to enlighten prospecting buyer's to it's short coming's so they can make an EDUCATED guess on if this unit is in line with there business plan.See some guy's like to deliver top shelf service while other's it's not so important to them it's all how your promoting your aeration business.For instance Exact Rottotilling is using his LS unit as a low cost aeration and his Plugr aeration as top shelf basically offering 2 diff. price point's .SSSHHHHUUUU feel alot better now:laugh:


ANYONE TEST THE TURFCO XT5 YET ?

djagusch
03-29-2011, 11:21 AM
I have drove a xt5 at the factory but still have snow on the ground. The main difference I have not seen in this thread is it aerates a 24" path not 21" path. So it covers a wider area. Pretty sure I was told June they will be shipping so you won't have feedback till then.

Exact Rototilling
03-29-2011, 12:41 PM
I have drove a xt5 at the factory but still have snow on the ground. The main difference I have not seen in this thread is it aerates a 24" path not 21" path. So it covers a wider area. Pretty sure I was told June they will be shipping so you won't have feedback till then.

How many tines across did it have? 5 or 6....?
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djagusch
03-29-2011, 01:01 PM
How many tines across did it have? 5 or 6....?
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6 tines in the row.

Exact Rototilling
03-29-2011, 01:31 PM
6 tines in the row.

Interesting...Well based on that the tine spacing will no doubt be wider in line with more traditional rolling tine units. The greater width of the unit will limit access to some places since I'm assuming the it's total width is wider than the LS 21" unit.

Now I'm wondering how it will compare to the new LS Dually 24" which has 6 tines across and wider tine spacing than the other LS 21" and Stander? I'm sure the LS Dually will have more down force for better plug depth?

djagusch
03-29-2011, 02:03 PM
Interesting...Well based on that the tine spacing will no doubt be wider in line with more traditional rolling tine units. The greater width of the unit will limit access to some places since I'm assuming the it's total width is wider than the LS 21" unit.

Now I'm wondering how it will compare to the new LS Dually 24" which has 6 tines across and wider tine spacing than the other LS 21" and Stander? I'm sure the LS Dually will have more down force for better plug depth?

Here is the specs. Aerating width 24"s, core depth up to 2 3/4 depth stops 2 1/4, 3/4" tines, .82 acres per hour, up to 4mph forward, up to 2mph reverse, length 74", width 33", Height 50", weight 362lbs with weights, 301lbs w/o, two removable weights 30lbs ea.

No tine spacing, 6 in the row I saw.

For comparing on the roller tine style machine weight per tine is what matters as they use the same tines. Roller speed may help very little but unit weight over the tines is what makes the difference. If weight per tine is the same I do not know how it could get a different depth.

Your plugr is based on weight and the speed the tine is forced downward.

Exact Rototilling
04-01-2011, 03:48 PM
Ok....I called Turfco and the tine spacing on the XT5 is 4.0" x 5.5". Can anybody out there verify the spacing on their other aerators? To quote Ronald Reagan, "trust but verify". I was a bit surprised it was 5.5" fore and aft.

LS 21" spacing is 3.5" x 6"

DA Quality Lawn & YS
04-03-2011, 07:45 PM
Ok....I called Turfco and the tine spacing on the XT5 is 4.0" x 5.5". Can anybody out there verify the spacing on their other aerators? To quote Ronald Reagan, "trust but verify". I was a bit surprised it was 5.5" fore and aft.

LS 21" spacing is 3.5" x 6"

So basically you are getting the same hole punch with the LS and Turfco units, no?

Exact Rototilling
04-05-2011, 01:12 AM
So basically you are getting the same hole punch with the LS and Turfco units, no?

The Lawn Solutions unit has the more dense plug count. I'm waiting on 100%confirmation on the Turfco pattern before I start cranking out numbers as public record. :rolleyes:

One of the big application Co. in the area uses Turfco units.

turfcobob
04-05-2011, 02:23 PM
Hi Guys, I gotta put my 2 cents worth in here. We did considerable testing of tines and patterns when I was with Ryan (18 years) and now
Turfco (19 years). Here are some facts you can live with. First forget the .5 inch here and .5 inch there, you are going to get 6 holes in every sq foot with rolling aerators. If you get nine in one square the one next to it will have 3. 6 is the number live with it. Quality aeration with rolling aerators is considered to be at least 9 holes per sq ft up to whatever you can do. 12, 14 even 16 or 18 holes per sq ft are great. But, at least get to 9 that is the baseline number you want.
Rolling aerators do not require quite the number of holes per sq ft as piston or vertical impact aerators. The pistion type aertion does not move the tine under the ground and therefore there is less soil movement and root tearing or loosing of the soil. They tend to plunge straight in and out leaving a hole and a core. Rolling tines have a tearing or X pattern under the soil they enter at one angle and exit at another making a movement under the soil of about 90 degrees. When they make this movement they fracture the soil and tear the roots of the plant thus stimulating new growth at the root tips and loosening of the soil for air and water movement. Thus less holes are needed.
Enough for today go forth and punch holes.

Exact Rototilling
04-11-2011, 12:29 AM
Ok...confession time. I goofed for some reason I was under the impression that the LS 21" WB tines were spaced at 3.5" x 6". It is actually 3.5" x 9".

Glad I caught that before my flyers went to print. :hammerhead:


I was somehow under the impression that the LS WB and Stander where the same on fore and aft spacing? Now I'm not sure about the Lawns Solutions Stander pattern. :confused:

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132507&stc=1&d=1232628949

LawnSolutionsCP
04-11-2011, 09:05 PM
They are 3.5" x 6" that is old and not correct.

David

Exact Rototilling
04-11-2011, 10:37 PM
David,

My tines measure 9" tip to tip fore and aft. :confused:

Is there some other measuring system for rolling tine units since the tines enter the ground and go below ground level???
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Exact Rototilling
04-12-2011, 10:28 PM
Ok ... a picture is worth a thousand words.

Exact Rototilling
04-12-2011, 10:32 PM
Been super wet here so I drove down to the a few local rental places and measured the same BlueBird I rent a few weeks ago and went to another place and measured 2 different Classen units and they are within 0.5" of web site specs.

I needed to make sure there was not some special way of measuring rolling tines. :rolleyes:

fatboynormmie
04-12-2011, 11:19 PM
Thats interesting you think LS is getting the specs of 6" from the diagonal portion of the holes.I see you have them listed as 5.701" center to center in your drawing diagonally.

Exact Rototilling
04-12-2011, 11:27 PM
The drawing is from one of David's post a few years back when the unit first came out.
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