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Ric
02-26-2011, 03:50 PM
OK I am fishing to see how many people would be willing to work hard and pay their dues to get a Commercial Pesticide License if given the opportunity?

I am not talking a Rent A License but actually working Part time in their own town on their own accounts to both learn the business and get the required Time in. Also included would mandatory Classroom training including testing.

I have considered doing this several time. However the Start up costs in both time and money are considerable. Therefore I need approx 5 people producing income just to break even. Also I can not take on People living in the panhandle or Keys etc. They must be close enough so I can work with them. If I were to do this, It would be my full time job training these individuals.

The main plan would be to form a Corporation and let those interested, Buy stock in that corporation as start up money. There by making them one of the owners of a pesticide company. They work for that Corporation both selling jobs and applications. As an owner the individual has some rights a Employee doesn't.

Of course the best part of this plan is Old Ric gets to make money without dragging hose. However if the Trainee doesn't make money the plan is no good. So who would Buy in for say a $ 1,000. Who would Buy In for $ 2,000. Don't tell me that is too high because you can make that much the first month.

Greg78
02-26-2011, 07:31 PM
I think that is a great idea. I also don't think the price it too high to buy in. It would be something I would consider.

zturncutter
02-26-2011, 09:16 PM
I would consider hearing more details but I have to say I have had a partner in my Scorporation in the past and I am not in any hurry to be a partner in another one again.

ted putnam
02-26-2011, 09:40 PM
I would consider hearing more details but I have to say I have had a partner in my Scorporation in the past and I am not in any hurry to be a partner in another one again.

Sounds to me like you'd be independent in your own towns but under Ric's "umbrella". Hell, I'd do it if I lived in Florida and didn't already know more than Ric.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Ric
02-27-2011, 12:18 AM
Sounds to me like you'd be independent in your own towns but under Ric's "umbrella". Hell, I'd do it if I lived in Florida and didn't already know more than Ric.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Ted

Be careful how you say independent, I am still fishing but if I do this it will not be a Rent A License. Yes people would have their own territory and would be able offer both pesticide and Maintenance to customers. But the lawn pesticide part would have to be billed by the Pesticide Corporation. Of course those with Roundup Licenses can bill direct for those services.

The Deal Breaker for me is finding 5 to 8 people who are really interested in learning and willing to put out some effort. I also would hope they were totally honest with me and didn't Moonlight off my certification.

ted putnam
02-27-2011, 12:28 AM
Ted

Be careful how you say independent, I am still fishing but if I do this it will not be a Rent A License. Yes people would have their own territory and would be able offer both pesticide and Maintenance to customers. But the lawn pesticide part would have to be billed by the Pesticide Corporation. Of course those with Roundup Licenses can bill direct for those services.

The Deal Breaker for me is finding 5 to 8 people who are really interested in learning and willing to put out some effort. I also would hope they were totally honest with me and didn't Moonlight off my certification.

Yes Ric, my definition of independent was: no direct competition from other members of the corporation. Now, good luck finding truly honest people...

Ric
02-27-2011, 12:47 AM
Yes Ric, my definition of independent was: no direct competition from other members of the corporation. Now, good luck finding truly honest people...

Thanks Ted

I will start Carrying a Lantern like Diogenes.

abrightday
02-27-2011, 06:39 AM
Yea partnerships possibly hundreds of miles apart, hmm one - two thousand dollars, finding people who will adhere to your guidelines,, & DACS wants you very much involved with day to day operations,, I think your asking for trouble,,, Good luck with that,,you keep trying to come up with a way to make money without pulling your hose,, this way all those "partners" will be pulling your hose,, that's what I think,, I know you don't care,, just my 2 cents.
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Ric
02-27-2011, 09:55 AM
Yea partnerships possibly hundreds of miles apart, hmm one - two thousand dollars, finding people who will adhere to your guidelines,, & DACS wants you very much involved with day to day operations,, I think your asking for trouble,,, Good luck with that,,you keep trying to come up with a way to make money without pulling your hose,, this way all those "partners" will be pulling your hose,, that's what I think,, I know you don't care,, just my 2 cents.
www.YourLandscapePro.com

Adullday

You didn't read my first post about being close enough to train together or the mandatory Classes with tests. Legally with the DACS I am only offering a part time job as a salesman spray tech. I am giving more than the required training and the customers must be billed for pesticide services by the Pesticide company. As the CPOIC of that company I am involved with day to day operation. In the beginning I am going to be on site a lot trying to teach the EDUCATED EYE. My big concern is staying totally legal keeping my CPO License. Good training and TONS of paper work should help.

BTW The Businessman that chooses to go this way get some great advantages. First he is actually going to make more money in several ways. First the up sell of fully pesticide and weed control to present customers. Second the One stop shopping now offered to new customers. So between up sells and new customers they are also getting the time and experience necessary to sit for the CPO test. Also think of the shorten learning curve caused my having an experienced CPO guiding you and never more than a phone call away with a vested interest in your success.



But I am fishing right now. That mean I am only considering this as a possible business move in my old age. Hurricane Charlie took the better part of my retirement. I can survive on my retirement income, but I prefer to work a little and live.

tjlco
02-27-2011, 12:35 PM
I'd be interested in some more details, as you work them out. The way I understand: anyone buying in would be part owners (so up to 8?), of this corp. And they would be working under your license for the 2 or 3 years, then sit for state test? Now as part owners and applicators, we upsell our current customers to " Ric's lawn spraying " (just a random name), which we are part owners of. Then we would get a % back based on sales? That would have to be a step program I'd guess based on individual sales. After sitting for the state test though, most of the part owners may want to sell there part. At this point I would think they would want all the money from their customers. What would happen then?

TYCINC
02-27-2011, 12:46 PM
Got my attention. . .

Ric
02-27-2011, 01:09 PM
Still just fishing

An important point to make this work is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. I am half way between Marco Island and Tampa. Therefore that would be the starting Market area. In Fact because of Tampa/St Pete size I might want to either stay away completely or move operations to that area. But let us say from Palmetto to Marco Island and inland to Hwy 27 would be the starting Market area. If I were to move, I would rather Move closer to the Miami Area to be closer to my grown Children. Sorry Central and North Florida.

Ric
02-27-2011, 01:27 PM
I'd be interested in some more details, as you work them out. The way I understand: anyone buying in would be part owners (so up to 8?), of this corp. And they would be working under your license for the 2 or 3 years, then sit for state test? Now as part owners and applicators, we upsell our current customers to " Ric's lawn spraying " (just a random name), which we are part owners of. Then we would get a % back based on sales? That would have to be a step program I'd guess based on individual sales. After sitting for the state test though, most of the part owners may want to sell there part. At this point I would think they would want all the money from their customers. What would happen then?

tjlco

You would be an employee of a company you owned stock in.

You would be the account manager for your route. As such you would get a percentage of each job you treated as a Employee. You would also get a Percentage of Profit as a owner in the form of a Dividend check. Of course all insurances and Licensing etc are paid by the company. Any equipment you purchased for use by you as an employee, would also be Leased or rented from you by the company as per Chapter 482 BEPC. You would also use your own truck and be paid for it's expenses, Once again Chapter 482 BEPC.

Chapter 482 and 5-E-14 are very strict about Rent A License and make several laws we can not get around. If this was easy everyone would be doing it.

Let me add you can still Legally put down fertilizer and treat Shrubs under your own business. But Insect Fungus and weed control in turf must be done and billed through your Commercial Pesticide employer.

TYCINC
02-27-2011, 01:36 PM
liquid fert you need a lisc to apply, right?

Ric
02-27-2011, 02:35 PM
liquid fert you need a lisc to apply, right?

TYCINC

Yes you need a license in many counties to apply fert of any kind. But there is no special license for liquid fert. What you might run into is new Fertilizer ordinances that negate liquid fert that isn't 50% slow release.

I still use some Liquid fert. Not because it is always the best Agronomics. but because it is too easy to throw a Bag in my tank instead of pushing a spreader. A good slow release granular is always going to give a more even supply of food to a plant. Liquid might give a nice Boom but it is soon followed by a Big Bust. I admit it is a DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.

Tri-City Outdoors
02-27-2011, 03:38 PM
Business wise we are interested. But we are located in East central FL. Always wanted to be a true one stop shop. We get asked about spay jobs and we always pass them on for a kick back!

Ric
02-27-2011, 04:32 PM
Business wise we are interested. But we are located in East central FL. Always wanted to be a true one stop shop. We get asked about spay jobs and we always pass them on for a kick back!

Tri City

Business wise I am not interested in risking My Certification by having people doing unsupervised work. We are just to far away for it to work. I have always enjoyed Teaching or Training people. That is my goal here. If I just wanted to play rent A license then you would be no problem, just another income check each month. Trust me there are many CPO who will do it. The Miami / Ft Liquiordale area is famous for Rent A License.

extremepms
02-27-2011, 04:48 PM
I would absolutely be interested. Located in CC/FM area.

Ric
02-27-2011, 05:20 PM
I would absolutely be interested. Located in CC/FM area.

extremepms

You are in the right area and your market should be big enough to support several techs.

If I get enough interest I will hold a meeting on some Sunday afternoon when most people can attend. I want people who have been in the industry for a while with Established accounts lists and want to be fully professional. Newbie need not apply I am only capable of so much Patience with a newbie. Also be ready to do a lot of reading.

Tri-City Outdoors
02-27-2011, 05:33 PM
Ric read between the lines. Your proposal logical! But would not work for us because of location. We Do not want a rent-a-B.S. Right now we think we could sell the work. But instead we pass it on.
If you are fishing well then I am a throwback. You caught me but I'm not a keeper!

"I have always enjoyed Teaching or Training people." Well, I have always enjoyed learning from someone who knows their trade. whatever it is, Lawn tech,plumber, or butt scratch-er.

We always do stuff legal! Would never want to offer a service or preform a service unless we can provide 100% satisfaction. (do know it, don't do it).
As a goal "one day" we want to be a TOTAL one stop shop. Say 10, maybe 15 or 20 years from now. Maybe never! If I had a part of a 3rd business that was profitable. (A "learning partner" in a spray service venture)
I know this dose mean paying the dues, learning the trade properly, Under a skilled teacher.

Ric
02-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Ric read between the lines. Your proposal logical! But would not work for us because of location. We Do not want a rent-a-B.S. Right now we think we could sell the work. But instead we pass it on.
If you are fishing well then I am a throwback. You caught me but I'm not a keeper!

"I have always enjoyed Teaching or Training people." Well, I have always enjoyed learning from someone who knows their trade. whatever it is, Lawn tech,plumber, or butt scratch-er.

We always do stuff legal! Would never want to offer a service or preform a service unless we can provide 100% satisfaction. (do know it, don't do it).
As a goal "one day" we want to be a TOTAL one stop shop. Say 10, maybe 15 or 20 years from now. Maybe never! If I had a part of a 3rd business that was profitable. (A "learning partner" in a spray service venture)
I know this dose mean paying the dues, learning the trade properly, Under a skilled teacher.

Tri City

I too am sorry we are so far apart since you appear to have the right attitude and experience. But to be less than honest with you or anyone is futile. Maybe someone in your area can offer the same thing or close to it.

fl-landscapes
03-01-2011, 08:11 AM
figured I would bump this up and see how your new corporation is going. I have to say, anyone interested in get their certificate and expanding their business this may be a great opportunity if all parties can come up with a way to make it work.

txgrassguy
03-01-2011, 08:44 AM
Ric, good luck with your proposal.
Personally I can see where with your tutelage a program such as you are offering could very easily be quite profitable while ensuring quality trained applicators are available.
On a side note I plan to be in Fl, specifically Frostproof in September attending the IDPA Nationals - still interested in hoisting a few beers after the competition. Let's stay in touch and I'll let you know the final details in an email.
Steve

Ric
03-01-2011, 10:49 AM
figured I would bump this up and see how your new corporation is going. I have to say, anyone interested in get their certificate and expanding their business this may be a great opportunity if all parties can come up with a way to make it work.

Fl Land

It is going kind of like I figured, not real promising. But this isn't the first time I have made offers like this. AND this isn't the first time people showed how lazy they were because they had to do some work. They would rather complain about the Licensing Laws.


Ric, good luck with your proposal.
Personally I can see where with your tutelage a program such as you are offering could very easily be quite profitable while ensuring quality trained applicators are available.
On a side note I plan to be in Fl, specifically Frostproof in September attending the IDPA Nationals - still interested in hoisting a few beers after the competition. Let's stay in touch and I'll let you know the final details in an email.
Steve


Steve

I don't think people realize what a deal I am offering. They think I will make big money when in fact I earn every peanut.


I am a 2 to 2 1/2 hour drive from Frostproof Fla. But we have some great interstates. I got your E mail and Cell Phone # as you have mine. It is not hard to touch.

extremepms
03-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Any new updates Ric? Why would more people not be interested in this!

gregory
03-08-2011, 08:48 PM
i am suprised ric hasnt had more people biting on this. you can learn a ton from ric. i myself have learned alot from him.

Ric
03-08-2011, 11:14 PM
i am suprised ric hasnt had more people biting on this. you can learn a ton from ric. i myself have learned alot from him.

Karl

Every year or so myself and Tim Smith in Orlando area make this offer. While we make it as an honest offer we have yet to have a big response. I did set up one Lawnsite member to work with Tim because he was in Tim's area or Orlando. ProMo not only passed the CPO Test, but had the highest score on that test date.

You remember when I taught at Edison College, so Teaching is not a problem with me and I enjoy it. In fact The teacher in me comes out on Lawnsite. But either People are not taking my offer serious, or they are Too Dam Lazy to put forward the effort. I call this the Lawn Boy syndrome because they would rather B!tch about Florida's pesticide laws than get off their a$$ and do something about it. If I had this offered to me I would pursue it with everything I had.

When I realize you are a homeowner who has studied and knows more about Lawn care than the average lawn boy and answer their questions, I really get mad about our Carl Spackler image. But at the same time I can not educate every Lawn boy, so I will only take on those who qualify. That mean someone who has been in the business with a successful track record. The Newbie start up with 5 customers is only going to waste my time and never get a license.

So once again I made the offer and once again no takers. I have not gotten so much as one PM asking questions

Johnagain
03-09-2011, 12:14 AM
Ric,
I would take you up on the offer but I'm already working with Tim. I have been with him for a year now and can't believe just how much there is to learn. I read about these people from the northern states who just say one day out of the blue they want to offer pest control and I just can't see how they can do justice to their customers. If you get up to our area let me know, I'd like to meet you someday.

Ric
03-09-2011, 09:57 AM
Ric,
I would take you up on the offer but I'm already working with Tim. I have been with him for a year now and can't believe just how much there is to learn. I read about these people from the northern states who just say one day out of the blue they want to offer pest control and I just can't see how they can do justice to their customers. If you get up to our area let me know, I'd like to meet you someday.

John

Thanks for you acknowledgement that we are serious about our offer. I should ask Fl Landscape to do the same since he is only a year or so away from taking his CPO test.

Yep Tim has said your name but this is our first meeting. You took ProMo's Place after he Passed the L&O. You are lucky because you are being inducted into the Good Old Boys Club the easy way. You keep your business and income and only have to put forth the effort to Help Tim Help you. I paid big money and Time going back to college etc to get my CPO and here I am wanting to give away all that knowledge. There are Yard Boys and There are Businessmen. You are a Businessman who sees the future.

bugsNbows
03-09-2011, 10:25 AM
I follow this thread with great interest and a wee bit of skepticism. Good luck Ric.
Ric

mx315
03-09-2011, 10:47 AM
Wish I was closer to you Ric. I've been wanting to get into spraying our own properties, since I can't find anyone up here who wants to work or put effort into getting quality results. Good luck with the venture.

Ric
03-09-2011, 11:19 AM
I follow this thread with great interest and a wee bit of skepticism. Good luck Ric.
Ric

Ric

I appreciate where you are coming from. This is by far not the first time Myself or Tim Smith offered this. We already know the response level. You have handled people. Some Do and some Don't get the point.


I am going to sweeten pot and offer to do a one day seminar on Chapters 5-E 14, 468, 482, 487 & 355 of Florida Pesticide Statues and the Markets that these different licenses cover. The goal is to give enough information that any person attending can get any one of many different pesticide license and make a living if they build a business in that direction. Now if I charge $ 25 a person and get 10 people to pay I might make minimum wage per hour for my time if I am lucky. Therefore let us see how many takers I get at $ 25. BTW I am not holding my breath waiting for the first response. But if by some chance I would get 10 people, I would do my best to make them feel like they got their money's worth. My Ego would Demand that I do a good job. Anyone interested apply by PM for a time and date yet to be decided.

mx315

Location seems to be a major problem. It is always people from Key West or Penscola that are interested. Sorry I have set the Boundarys I can cover and still feel I have some control. CYA Paper work alone is a head ache.

gregory
03-09-2011, 04:39 PM
i know its made you mad when i do that. but i can answer those questions b/c of you and your help along with others from here.


well i got a job offer from the local cummins dealer to run there shop i will go talk money with them next week. got another job offer to run another shop for my old service manger but he's in GA and i didnt want to move up there...

Ric
03-09-2011, 05:06 PM
i know its made you mad when i do that. but i can answer those questions b/c of you and your help along with others from here.


well i got a job offer from the local cummins dealer to run there shop i will go talk money with them next week. got another job offer to run another shop for my old service manger but he's in GA and i didnt want to move up there...

Karl

Good Luck on the Job front. I have been told a Diesel Mechanic can always find a job. But a Good Diesel Mechanic never has to look for a job because the jobs are looking for him. You have serviced your dues turning wrenches and know how to handle people naturally, I am sure there are several jobs wait for you.


BTW you don't make me mad when you answer questions every lawn boy should know. It does make feel bad that the industry I chose is full of so many Lame people who have to ask those question that a Homeowner is answering. But the same reason Cumming Diesels is after you is the same reason Lame Lawn boys have you answer their questions. You take the time and efford to learn the Subject matter.