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Kidder
02-28-2011, 11:27 AM
I am just wondering if anybody has tried these two machines side by side. I am looking at one of these down the road and wondering if there is alot more power that is stated in the manuals. I beleive the 300 has 81 horsepower and the 320 has 92 horsepower. Just looking for a machine with raw power to grade in frozen ground conditions. Thanks.

Digdeep
02-28-2011, 11:32 AM
Is the T320 even Tier III certified yet? It wasn't at the end of 2010.

Digdeep
02-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Is the T320 even Tier III certified yet? It wasn't at the end of 2010.

Nope...answered my own question....Bobcat is still using a Tier II engine in their T320 :nono:

wanabe
02-28-2011, 06:19 PM
Cant you just turn up the screw up and make a T300 a T320?

Asphalt/Dirt Man
02-28-2011, 06:29 PM
I'm pretty sure it is a different engine. Because if I remeber correctly, our s330 has a different engine than the s300-250.

Big difference between s300 and s330 if that helps.

bobcat_ron
02-28-2011, 06:45 PM
Cant you just turn up the screw up and make a T300 a T320?

Yes, and they added a 1" thick plate in the rear of the belly of the machine for more counterweight and played with the hydraulic pressures.

Digdeep
02-28-2011, 07:08 PM
Cant you just turn up the screw up and make a T300 a T320?

Nope. T300= 3.3L & T320= 3.8L

Ozz
02-28-2011, 07:13 PM
Raw power and grading don't go together. Nither does raw power and skid steers.

For grading and/or raw power; track loader. Deere's 605s are the smallest things around now, but the Cat 939C was just discontinued, and with Cat's parts sytem, you'll be able to get parts for a very long time.

dozerman21
02-28-2011, 08:03 PM
I am just wondering if anybody has tried these two machines side by side. I am looking at one of these down the road and wondering if there is alot more power that is stated in the manuals. I beleive the 300 has 81 horsepower and the 320 has 92 horsepower. Just looking for a machine with raw power to grade in frozen ground conditions. Thanks.

What kind of frozen conditions do you mean? CTLs are limited like a lot of equipment on frozen ground. The difference in those two models won't matter on what they can do on frozen terrain.

TomG
02-28-2011, 08:44 PM
The T300 and T320 weigh the same exact (9702lbs). I actually asked my Bobcat sales man how the T320 lifts more when it weighs the same and he said they just tweaked the numbers, it really doesn't lift more. Operating capacity at 50% is exactly the same (4604lbs). We have a T300 and absolutely love it, plenty of power for what we do, which includes a lot of grading and spreading materials. I have not tried a T320 but i have herd that the extra HP does help with pushing power and running high flow attachments like a forestry mower.

YellowDogSVC
02-28-2011, 09:42 PM
The T300 and T320 weigh the same exact (9702lbs). I actually asked my Bobcat sales man how the T320 lifts more when it weighs the same and he said they just tweaked the numbers, it really doesn't lift more. Operating capacity at 50% is exactly the same (4604lbs). We have a T300 and absolutely love it, plenty of power for what we do, which includes a lot of grading and spreading materials. I have not tried a T320 but i have herd that the extra HP does help with pushing power and running high flow attachments like a forestry mower.

There is more torque. You have about 225-228 ft lbs of torque with the T320 versus 211 for the T300. (I think)

SellingIron
02-28-2011, 10:13 PM
Both are discontinued machines:

T300 Engine is a: V3800-DI-T- Tier 2

T320 Engine is a: V3800-DI-TE3 - Tier 3

Both 3.8L

You can turn up the fuel on a T300 and it makes it a pushing machine.

Another one of bobcats bad ideas (T320) of filling a gap in models. They make to many models as it is. There are to many models and options to carry as a dealer. The customer looks at a brochure and says I want this one with 10 different options to choose from.

YellowDogSVC
02-28-2011, 11:37 PM
Both are discontinued machines:

T300 Engine is a: V3800-DI-T- Tier 2

T320 Engine is a: V3800-DI-TE3 - Tier 3

Both 3.8L

You can turn up the fuel on a T300 and it makes it a pushing machine.

Another one of bobcats bad ideas (T320) of filling a gap in models. They make to many models as it is. There are to many models and options to carry as a dealer. The customer looks at a brochure and says I want this one with 10 different options to choose from.

Pretty sure T300 was v3300 DI-T Same as S300 rated 81 hp

wanabe
02-28-2011, 11:44 PM
Both are discontinued machines:

T300 Engine is a: V3800-DI-T- Tier 2

T320 Engine is a: V3800-DI-TE3 - Tier 3

Both 3.8L

You can turn up the fuel on a T300 and it makes it a pushing machine.

Another one of bobcats bad ideas (T320) of filling a gap in models. They make to many models as it is. There are to many models and options to carry as a dealer. The customer looks at a brochure and says I want this one with 10 different options to choose from.

How much will they take being turned up? Mine was turned up by the previous owner, and it will spin the tracks before it will power out. Is this the norm with a stock T300?

Tigerotor77W
03-01-2011, 08:12 PM
Both are discontinued machines:

T300 Engine is a: V3800-DI-T- Tier 2

T320 Engine is a: V3800-DI-TE3 - Tier 3

Both 3.8L

You sure about that?

Pretty sure T300 was v3300 DI-T Same as S300 rated 81 hp

Yeah, this sounds right.

SellingIron
03-01-2011, 10:36 PM
Here are the specs pulled from Bobcats kool-aid website. Trying to find some old literature on the T300..

TomG
03-01-2011, 10:57 PM
Here are the specs pulled from Bobcats kool-aid website. Trying to find some old literature on the T300..

Wow, excellent comparison chart! Looks like everything is exactly the same except for the motor, fuel tank capacity and some how the T320 lifts 100lbs more at 35% tip capacity but not anywhere else. :rolleyes: I guess that's what my salesman was talking about how Bobcat fudged the numbers on the 35% tipping capacity. So I guess the only difference is pushing power.

Digdeep
03-01-2011, 11:28 PM
Wow, excellent comparison chart! Looks like everything is exactly the same except for the motor, fuel tank capacity and some how the T320 lifts 100lbs more at 35% tip capacity but not anywhere else. :rolleyes: I guess that's what my salesman was talking about how Bobcat fudged the numbers on the 35% tipping capacity. So I guess the only difference is pushing power.

Wonder how much other stuff they fudged? :-)
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ksss
03-01-2011, 11:38 PM
Wonder how much other stuff they fudged? :-)
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I am sure they are not selling em both for the same price.

Asphalt/Dirt Man
03-02-2011, 06:48 AM
Now the grand point being will you void the warranty on the power-train by turning up the pump?

Because our S330 has had $5000 grand worth of warranty work.

Just asking!

Digdeep
03-02-2011, 10:24 AM
Now the grand point being will you void the warranty on the power-train by turning up the pump?

Because our S330 has had $5000 grand worth of warranty work.

Just asking!

Short answer...yes.

YellowDogSVC
03-02-2011, 11:58 AM
Here are the specs pulled from Bobcats kool-aid website. Trying to find some old literature on the T300..

I think some of the numbers were put in the wrong literature.

SellingIron
03-02-2011, 10:03 PM
Dig is right, the warranty will be voided if they find it. I have customers that have done it when no engine problems. Tune the T300 up and you will have a T320...Its like adding a chip to a diesel truck. Night and Day..

Digdeep
03-03-2011, 12:11 AM
I think some of the numbers were put in the wrong literature.

You are right...the T300 uses this engine....Kubota V3300M-DI-T.

Digdeep
03-03-2011, 03:47 PM
Pretty sure T300 was v3300 DI-T Same as S300 rated 81 hp

I know this is repetitive and I apologize, but just to reinforce my last post regarding wrong numbers...you are correct that the T300 engine is just a 3.3L compared to the T320. This is the full engine model...Kubota V3300M-DI-T. "Turning it up" will not make it equal to the T320 as others have suggested on this thread.

SellingIron
03-03-2011, 07:44 PM
Spec wise no you don't have a T320 after turning up a T300. What you do have is a machine close enough in performance not to waste the extra money on the T320. I here from my customers that it makes the T300 a pushing machine and they are glad they did it.

Nelson M Martin
03-03-2011, 10:07 PM
Spec wise no you don't have a T320 after turning up a T300. What you do have is a machine close enough in performance not to waste the extra money on the T320. I here from my customers that it makes the T300 a pushing machine and they are glad they did it.

Ok fellas...paper specs and guessing aside
I have had the T300 with turned up fuel pump and it will be a very close match for the T320. That is without a T320 fuel modification
With a fuel pump modification on the T320 then the T300 will no longer keep up to the T320 in heavy dirt moving
:laugh::laugh: just PM me if you need to know how i know this

Digdeep
03-03-2011, 11:45 PM
Ok fellas...paper specs and guessing aside
I have had the T300 with turned up fuel pump and it will be a very close match for the T320. That is without a T320 fuel modification
With a fuel pump modification on the T320 then the T300 will no longer keep up to the T320 in heavy dirt moving
:laugh::laugh: just PM me if you need to know how i know this

Hypothetical question...if both machines weigh the same, have the same track length on the ground and both don't have trouble spinning tracks, how does more hp help in terms of pushing? Based on my experience, the amount of track that both machines put to the ground is the limiting factor, with both machines capable of spinning tracks under loaded conditions. I can definitely see how turning up the 3.3L engine would help hydraulically, but it would not come close to meeting the torque that the T320 has for driving hydraulic attachments under load.

Nelson M Martin
03-04-2011, 07:17 AM
Hypothetical question...if both machines weigh the same, have the same track length on the ground and both don't have trouble spinning tracks, how does more hp help in terms of pushing? Based on my experience, the amount of track that both machines put to the ground is the limiting factor, with both machines capable of spinning tracks under loaded conditions. I can definitely see how turning up the 3.3L engine would help hydraulically, but it would not come close to meeting the torque that the T320 has for driving hydraulic attachments under load.

This not totally based on pushing power alone
example:When stock piling soil with the T300 going up 30% incline and lifting boom and dumping bucket all in one motion, that's where the peak HP is needed
So what i experienced was the T300 with turned up fuel would still bog down some doing the multifunction. The T320 would not bog down resulting in faster dump cycle,faster up hill travel, faster boom up motion, thus resulting in more work done at end of the day
Just keep in mind that HP is not simply needed to turn the tracks
If you can have enough hp to keep engine running at desired speed then you will find that the machine operates faster and smoother

Digdeep
03-04-2011, 10:23 AM
This not totally based on pushing power alone
example:When stock piling soil with the T300 going up 30% incline and lifting boom and dumping bucket all in one motion, that's where the peak HP is needed
So what i experienced was the T300 with turned up fuel would still bog down some doing the multifunction. The T320 would not bog down resulting in faster dump cycle,faster up hill travel, faster boom up motion, thus resulting in more work done at end of the day
Just keep in mind that HP is not simply needed to turn the tracks
If you can have enough hp to keep engine running at desired speed then you will find that the machine operates faster and smoother

I would agree with that. It's essentially the same thing that I said since the hystat is hydraulic, and the extra hp is used to keep the pump turning under load (going up hill & multi-tasking hydraulics). The T320 will still be superior because it produces more engine torque (torque turns things like pumps) regardless of what you turn the T300 fuel up to.

This is why the CAT 299 is still woefully inadequate compared to other CTLs even though it produces 90 net hp. A good example would be comparing the 299 to the new Terex PT100G which also produces 90 net hp. the hp is the same but the CAT only produces 217lb ft of torque out of a 3.3L engine compared to 310lb ft for the PT100G out of a 4.4L engine-a 30% difference. This is huge when working in tough applications involving hills, heavy hydraulic applications, or fully operating the loader arms while traveling and turning with the machine.

Herb Flerb
03-04-2011, 12:25 PM
Ive been operating t-300s since they started making them. Im not sure why you would need more power if your not doing heavy lifting like setting boulders etc. as far as pushing, the 300 will handle anything you put in front of it

Nelson M Martin
03-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Ive been operating t-300s since they started making them. Im not sure why you would need more power if your not doing heavy lifting like setting boulders etc. as far as pushing, the 300 will handle anything you put in front of it

yes i agree to that....there is not a huge difference but there is a difference

Ozz
03-05-2011, 12:11 AM
None of this matters if you use a machine designed to do grading. That argument about the power of skid steers was enough to send me down the path of track loaders when I first started.

Get a dozer or track loader.