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LAWNS AND MOWER
09-17-2002, 10:47 AM
I'm sure we've all seen this. A lco (use the term loosely) driving around town and all they have on their trailer is a tractor or walkbehind. I see this at least 4 times a day. How about a weedeater, blower, trim mower??? Just irrates me that people can do such sloppy work and get away with it. I think I feel better now.

LAWNS AND MOWER

Mr_Marc
09-17-2002, 10:58 AM
They keep the good stuff locked in the trunk.

LAWNS AND MOWER
09-17-2002, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Mr_Marc
They keep the good stuff locked in the trunk.
How much stuff can you fit in the trunk of a Ford Escort????

LAWNS AND MOWER

Mr_Marc
09-17-2002, 12:44 PM
Can you say quick attach, or fold down the seats.
You can hang the blower from the garment hook behind the driver door. A siphon could be used from the gas tank. LOL

marley
09-17-2002, 01:41 PM
For a long time the only I pulled around thing I put in my trailer was my walk behind. The trimmer, blower, other tools were in the truck bed. Maybe that is what the lco you are refering to is doing. Now I have an enclosed trailer and everything goes in there. Try not to worry to much about what the other guys are doing. It won't do you any good.

marley
09-17-2002, 01:44 PM
OOOPPPS!!! Sorry for the jumbled words. Guess I should have read my post before submiting it.

Runner
09-17-2002, 02:15 PM
One thing that you have to consider, is that every truck and trailer with a mower of some sort, even if it's a walkbehind, isn't a lco. People DO transport their machines to and from the shop, to other props they own, friends props, etc. There was a thread on here not too long ago about pushmowers in trucks and trunks, and there almost seems to be a paranoia around here about it.:)

thfireman
09-17-2002, 02:34 PM
This is no lie.... there is a guy that passes by my station once a week pulling a trailer with a push mower, weedeater and blower.

So what you say? Well he is pulling it with a MOPED!!! No Sh**! He cuts a couple of lawns in the hood behind the station. I dont worry about it too much, he is no threat. Maybe someday. Anyone that has that much determination could be dangerous.

:D :D

Gravely_Man
09-17-2002, 04:47 PM
This is easy to see where I live. The reason "they" can get away with it is that quality doesn't count. Not all customers' care about what the finished product looks like as long as "the big stuff is knocked down." There is a niche for all levels of lawn service. Just be the best you can!

KLMlawn
09-17-2002, 05:58 PM
Hey, we all may not have started with 16' trailers, ZTM's, the most powerful backpack and trimmers on the market all being towed behind a brand spanking new F-550 Powerstroke with a 14' Dominator dump body.
Honestly, about 18 years ago, I had been working for another landscaper, had a disagreement, and we parted company. I figured I could go out and make a go of it with my Dad's old lawnboy and a Ryobi bent shaft trimmer (was all I could afford) along with a push broom for walks and drives. This all went into the trunk of a '76 Catalina. In a few weeks, I had almost 20 accounts from just going door to door for $20 a pop. I was just trying to do something I knew how to and make money at it. I did this part time, eventually getting a van ( yes, I was a van-scaper for a while) and upgraded my equipment as I could afford, then decided to go into it full time. At that point I got a pick-up and enclosed trailer, and completely upgraded all of my equipment. It took time and a lot of hard work, but it has all paid off and as I look back, it was worth it.
Yes, we all have looked at someone else who has less experience and equipment and class them as a Scrub. I as well as many others here have at one point fit into that classification too ... I guess as long as you realize the need to improve both yourself and your business and actually go ahead an do it, it might just be OK to be called a Scrub for a while ....

LAWNS AND MOWER
09-17-2002, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by thfireman
This is no lie.... there is a guy that passes by my station once a week pulling a trailer with a push mower, weedeater and blower.

So what you say? Well he is pulling it with a MOPED!!! No Sh**! He cuts a couple of lawns in the hood behind the station. I dont worry about it too much, he is no threat. Maybe someday. Anyone that has that much determination could be dangerous.

:D :D
I can beat that. This guy lost his drivers license to a dewie, so he would strap everything onto his pushmower and walk from yard to yard. Needless to say, he was restricted to one neighborhood. Funny thing was that he did excellent work.
Let me clear up a few things I didn't mention on my original post. I know these guys are mowing for a living because I've seen them on jobs. They have nothing in the beds of their trucks. Just a walkbehind in the trailer. Some of them are driving newer trucks. I'm not worried about the other guys. I have all the work I want or need. For every new account I pick up, I turn down 5 others. I realize that we all start one way or another. But if you're going to do it for a living, DO IT RIGHT!!!!!! Get a weedeater and a blower.

LAWNS AND MOWER

Toatlandscape
09-17-2002, 08:16 PM
Believe it or not some people ARE more interested in price than quality. Some could care less if there is a clean edge or all the trimming done. They just want a path to the house. Obviously these are not our customers but they do exist. We don't understand it. Kinda like the guy that drives around in the rattletrap just doesn't matter to some people.

thfireman
09-17-2002, 11:05 PM
I agree with LAWNS AND MOWER. If your going to cut on someones lawn then do a professional job. Shoty work shows and in my opinion it has a negative impact on the LCO's that try hard to have a good image. I used to think that the only way a person could have a great looking lawn was if they took the time and did it themselves. That was because all I saw in the area I lived at the time was shoty work by LCO's.

Only after I started researching this business to consider starting myself did I realize it was just a few that gave many a bad image.:dizzy:

Darryl G
09-17-2002, 11:08 PM
All I've ever got on my trailer is a push mower and WB, and the push mower only sees about 5 minutes use a month. I'm not sure why I even bring it with me. Everything else is either in the truck bed, the tool box or the cab. My blower either rides shotgun or in the rear passenger corner of the truck bed. My split boom edger/trimmer gets broken down and goes in the tool box along with the hedge trimmers and smaller hand tools.

You can't judge someone's work by what they drive or what tools you see (or don't see) on their rig. What's the difference how you get there...it's what you do while you're there that makes the difference. You don't need a 1 ton diesel P/U to haul the equipment necessary to mow a small lawn or trim some hedges. Why you guys worry about this stuff is beyond me. I've seem "pros" do more damage to a lawn with a ZTR than could ever be done by a "scrub" with a push mower.

Darryl

dlandscaping
09-17-2002, 11:13 PM
Its simple
find cheap ars clients that are penny pinchers and only want it cut when its a foot tall or monthly. The "lco" figures he is not going to make more by trimming these lawns so why waste the time and money if the pay is the same.

Floridalandcare
09-18-2002, 12:08 AM
Lawns and mower; I see your posts all the time and respect your posts and threads .But if your passing up 5 jobs to every 1 you take then I think you need to start another crew . With all due respect. Chris

MikeLT1Z28
09-18-2002, 12:52 AM
when i first got started all i had on my trailer was my WB. everything else went in the bed of the truck. after a while i bought a trimmer trap TT-2 and blower rack for my br-420. not only is it a good theft deterrent, it keeps them from banging around and getting torn up.

Brickman
09-18-2002, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Toatlandscape
Believe it or not some people ARE more interested in price than quality. Some could care less if there is a clean edge or all the trimming done. They just want a path to the house. Obviously these are not our customers but they do exist. We don't understand it. Kinda like the guy that drives around in the rattletrap just doesn't matter to some people.


Exactly.

The city won't hassle them about the edges being 3 feet high, but will give them grief if the main part is more than 6 or 8 inches high. The dude is charging $10 a pop and doing 5 or 6 an hour. It is good money to him and he gets to laugh at "those stupids that spend an hour on ONE property". :dizzy:

lawnworker
09-18-2002, 10:48 AM
I am going to buy a honda Xl 500 motercycle, and pull a Home Depot plant cart from job to job, with my yard man mower strapped on it with rubber bungies. What do you all think the speed rating is on those hard rubber tires. Imagine how cool i will look going down the road,while saving all that gas.LOL

TurfGuyTX
09-18-2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Runner
One thing that you have to consider, is that every truck and trailer with a mower of some sort, even if it's a walkbehind, isn't a lco. People DO transport their machines to and from the shop, to other props they own, friends props, etc. There was a thread on here not too long ago about pushmowers in trucks and trunks, and there almost seems to be a paranoia around here about it.:)

Just what I was thinking. Maybe to or from the shop is a good possibilty. If I taking a large piece of equipment for service, I don't want to keep up with everything else while doing so.

soccer coach
09-18-2002, 02:37 PM
Same problem here. I see alot of grown men riding a rider(Walmart brand) with big signs hanging from them saying most yards 10.00! I was asked to bid a apartment complex in town this spring. I went to meet the property manager and was told what was expected. He wanted fert. as well so I measured the areas he wanted done. 90,000 some thousand sq' as I recall. This area is broken up all over the place as you could guess being apartments. THe mowing is not too bad but the trim would take awhile. I put some numbers down for him that afternoon. Told him 375.00 per monthfor 9 months. I thought I was more than reasonable. He about fell over when he saw the bid. He enlightened me of the price he was trying to beat. 40.00 per mow with every other week in growing season and once in July and once in August! I told him good bye and good luck. He told me he will find at least 5 guys willing to underbid his currnet quote. He says he does it every year. Told me he has never had a problem finding a cheaper price every year. THis makes me sick!!. A company mows my neighbor for 15.00 and I watched him do it awhile back. It took him 1 !/2 hrs. to do it and I might add missed going around a bed in back. 1 1/2 hrs. for 15.00 and then take some cost of doing biz out? I asked the city about why I had to be bonded and insured to a get biz permit and they told me that these small guys just can't afford it and they let it continue to keep the price in line for the elderly!!! Need less to say I had to get out of city hall before I anded up in the city jail.

Word to all LCO's charge a fair price and if your just getting going and don't know what a fair price is call someone in your area and ask or send me an e-mail and I'll try to help.

awm
09-18-2002, 04:15 PM
hate to be the devils advocate but why do u need a trim mower. granted theres gates can be a problem.other than that my lazer 52 is the best trim mower i ever had. edger, blower, trimmer, hedge machine, and chainsaw are my primary tools. got a nice cutting little walk behind but it never leaves the house except for an area i cant get to. and i dont do sloppy wk. :)
by explanation. raise the deck and move into area needing trim. the mower pulls the grass to be trimmed under the deck ,and u let her dn. safer than even a trimmer. jmo.

lawnworker
09-18-2002, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by soccer coach
Same problem here. I see alot of grown men riding a rider(Walmart brand) with big signs hanging from them saying most yards 10.00! I was asked to bid a apartment complex in town this spring. I went to meet the property manager and was told what was expected. He wanted fert. as well so I measured the areas he wanted done. 90,000 some thousand sq' as I recall. This area is broken up all over the place as you could guess being apartments. THe mowing is not too bad but the trim would take awhile. I put some numbers down for him that afternoon. Told him 375.00 per monthfor 9 months. I thought I was more than reasonable. He about fell over when he saw the bid. He enlightened me of the price he was trying to beat. 40.00 per mow with every other week in growing season and once in July and once in August! I told him good bye and good luck. He told me he will find at least 5 guys willing to underbid his currnet quote. He says he does it every year. Told me he has never had a problem finding a cheaper price every year. THis makes me sick!!. A company mows my neighbor for 15.00 and I watched him do it awhile back. It took him 1 !/2 hrs. to do it and I might add missed going around a bed in back. 1 1/2 hrs. for 15.00 and then take some cost of doing biz out? I asked the city about why I had to be bonded and insured to a get biz permit and they told me that these small guys just can't afford it and they let it continue to keep the price in line for the elderly!!! Need less to say I had to get out of city hall before I anded up in the city jail.

Word to all LCO's charge a fair price and if your just getting going and don't know what a fair price is call someone in your area and ask or send me an e-mail and I'll try to help.



This is why lawn care is such a tuff business. People that dont have a flying fart of what being in business costs ,screw things up for those that really want to make some money. Ninety thousand square feet should go for at least 125.00 per visit,and that seems low to me. Why does he want to go through the trouble of hiring some new low-baller every year? For your price of 375.00 per month, he should of asked you what you want for your christmas present along with that contract. Mayby a new weed trimmer or somthing.

later now.

soccer coach
09-18-2002, 07:07 PM
Lawnworker , that is what I thought as well. I knew they had it done at a good price but didn't know they ripped the guys off. THe reason why he goes to the trouble of hiring every year is he knows that some dum in a truck will come along and do it for the price he wants. I have run into this alot in this area and can't stand it. Good thing I'm headed North soon. I have had to lower my prices to levels I can't believe to get work in this area. Around here if you can get 35.00 per hour per man the job is gold! :confused: The economy here is not fantastic but the a/c guy charged me 90.00 just to come by and check the unit over for 5 minutes. Why is it you don't see an a/c guy out working for 40.00? Education must be it. I have helped a few starters get going. Some have even taken some work from me :mad: but at least they are getting a good price. I fell it is a help to our industry to help these guys get prices together abit.

Just Cut
09-18-2002, 09:36 PM
WB and trim mower on the trailer, trimmers, edger BP blower and etc locked inside the pickup bed

Flex-Deck
09-19-2002, 12:28 AM
Get a Flex-Deck - that takes care of the push mower - Then you only need a little bit of string on you trimmer, as you will now longer have to mow with it - just trim narrow lines of grass even in the inside corner areas. may still need the blower though. Thanks, Brad

Brickman
09-19-2002, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by lawnworker
I am going to buy a honda Xl 500 motercycle, and pull a Home Depot plant cart from job to job, with my yard man mower strapped on it with rubber bungies. What do you all think the speed rating is on those hard rubber tires. Imagine how cool i will look going down the road,while saving all that gas.LOL


ROFLMAO

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Brickman
09-19-2002, 01:37 AM
$375 a month for 90K that is broken up into islands. By the prices I was getting some places that was WAY too cheap. I would have been around $270 per time. Plus fert and weed control.

As for the city looking the other way at the scrubs so the elderly could affor it that is totally stupid. The city is actually promoting scrubs and a 4th class quality of work. :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

MJStrain
09-19-2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Flex-Deck
Get a Flex-Deck - that takes care of the push mower - Then you only need a little bit of string on you trimmer, as you will now longer have to mow with it - just trim narrow lines of grass even in the inside corner areas. may still need the blower though. Thanks, Brad

I'd still need the trim mower to do the back yards...most only have about a 40" gate that I can't get through without it...

LAWNS AND MOWER
09-20-2002, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by awm
hate to be the devils advocate but why do u need a trim mower. granted theres gates can be a problem.other than that my lazer 52 is the best trim mower i ever had. edger, blower, trimmer, hedge machine, and chainsaw are my primary tools. got a nice cutting little walk behind but it never leaves the house except for an area i cant get to. and i dont do sloppy wk. :)
by explanation. raise the deck and move into area needing trim. the mower pulls the grass to be trimmed under the deck ,and u let her dn. safer than even a trimmer. jmo.
I live in the mountains, so obviously there's quite a few places you can't get with a walkbehind, and weedeating would take too long. I could see where you wouldn't need a trim mower if you lived in the flatlands. I can only dream of having only flat accounts.

LAWNS AND MOWER

LAWNS AND MOWER
09-20-2002, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Floridalandcare
Lawns and mower; I see your posts all the time and respect your posts and threads .But if your passing up 5 jobs to every 1 you take then I think you need to start another crew . With all due respect. Chris
Been there, done that. I made the decision to go solo 6 years ago and haven't regretted it one bit. It only took me 2 years after I sold 1/2 of my accounts to get back to where I was ($$$ wise) before I went solo. No payroll, payroll taxes,etc... raised prices, keep accounts in clusters as much as possible. I live in the mountains, so there's quite a few PITA lawns. I have a very tight route, and I can afford to be very picky on which new accounts I pick up. Not trying to brag, but I'm doing well $$$$ wise. Wife doesn't work, supporting 2 kids. From experience on this forum, I can tell you that 60% will tell you go big and 40% will say go solo. Whatever works best for each person is the way to go. I chose solo and love it.

LAWNS AND MOWER

soccer coach
09-20-2002, 02:04 PM
Brickman, I understand the price is way low but at your price I'm not sure you could find a single job. I know of apartment of roughly the same size on the other side of town(old) that go for half of my quoted price. It makes me sick but the professionals??? do this to us alone. If everyone would charge a reasonable price we could all make some money. Need less to say I'm headed back North to the good money. Heck I even have an LCO if you can call them that do my lawn. They charge 7.50 and 2 guys are here for at least 25 minutes. I had to about die when I saw them. The owner asked me why I use him when I mow myself. I told him just trying to spread the wealth :D . THey took down a good size Mulberry tree in the back a few months back for 100.00 dollars and tried to clean up. They worked all day with 3 guys and hauled off the stuff to boot:p . I had to finish the clean up but was laughing the wholr time. This job if I was to put in a bid would have been 1000.00 as it was in a 7.2 kv line and had a split trunk with a fence directly under and a garage. They just dented the fence abit so I considered the deal ok. The owner told me that he banged up the fence some but not as bad as he thought he might??? Was he planning on the fence taking the fall? It's benn nice to see have the other half does it as it makes me feel good about charging well for my services.

Grasshog
09-20-2002, 11:31 PM
I havent seen this guy in a while. He drives a early 70"s model caddy. He cut the roof off from behind his head to the trunk. Took out the trunk lid, removed the back seat, put plywood down and made himself a truck. He would load a Murry 42" rider and go cutting.

TaylorLawn
09-21-2002, 08:19 AM
I have to agree with Daryl, please do not judge by what you see them driving or their equipment. It has taken a long time for me to attain all that I now have, but you know what, the properties that I maintain still look the same when Im completed as they did 16 years ago when I started with a Murray with a 12HP Briggs and a Wal-Mart weedeater. It may have taken longer, but it still looked good.....and believe me, the customer does not usually care what kind of equipment you use, and to be honest, in those days I had absolutely minimal overhead costs. Just a thought....ET

Brickman
09-21-2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Grasshog
I havent seen this guy in a while. He drives a early 70"s model caddy. He cut the roof off from behind his head to the trunk. Took out the trunk lid, removed the back seat, put plywood down and made himself a truck. He would load a Murry 42" rider and go cutting.


ROFLMAO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LOL