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bigkid
04-02-2011, 02:18 PM
I have a lady that has called me to her house to give her quotes on multiple jobs so far. First job was to build her a pergola and a small privacy fence. She wanted the fence done first so i gave her a price and she signed the contract but asked me to hold off until she had money from tax return. Before i had the pergola proposal done she says her buyfriend moved out and now she doesn't have money to do the fence or pergola but she does need me to give her a quote to build her a raised garden and do some grading around a new patio she had done last fall. She never had any grading done back then because the ground froze so the ground is all big clumps that will have to be broken up and rough graded and then covered with screened topsoil which she said she would provide so she wouldn't have to pay for my mark-up. Then i get an e-mail saying that she remembers me talking about having a machine that i could use to do the grading to save time and make the job easier. She asked me to give her a price and i told her i charge 500 per day or i can do 300 for half a day. She then responds that the price should only be about 150 or 225 because 300 comes out to 75 an hr and it shouldn't take 4 hrs. I respond by saying your right i won't be their for 4 hrs but i am looking at an hour and a half of roundtrip travel time plus fuel cost for both the truck and trailer. The machine i have is a yanmar cbl 40. The machine and trailer combined are jst about 10 thousand pounds so i will probably spend about 30-40 dollars just in diesel fuel between the truck and tractor. After my lengthy e-mail to her she responds back that she understands but 300 is still a lot of money and she will have to get back to me. I don't know what people expect these days. They want you to drive 45 minutes to their house towing an 8 thousand pound 40 thousand dollar piece of equipment spend time to unload the equipment, complete the job, spend more time to reload equipment, drive 45 minutes back home and then spend more time to unload equipment again and only make 150-225.If i did it for 225 and then took out money for taxes, fuel and wear and tear on tractor i might make 175. I thought 300 was fair considering the travel involved and the price of diesel fuel right now. Does she sound like a PITA and i should just walk away now or is my price to high? Sorry for the long post, i just needed to vent rather than go off on a potential customer. Thanks in advance for your opinions.

Lefet
04-02-2011, 02:24 PM
Keep your prices where they are, give her another chance or two then politely tell her to find someone else. She obviously can't make up her mind and in the meantime she's just doing a lot of tire kicking. I know we can't make any money with the equipment parked in the yard, but I've about had it with people telling me what they WANT to pay me and expect me to fit my work into their payment plan.

Now that I've ranted, I probably wouldn't even give her another bite at the apple. Next phone call or email I'd ask her to find somebody else.

Leo the Landscaper
04-02-2011, 02:37 PM
Never ceases to amaze me....

Yet they dont question a pumbler or HVAC tech that charges $80-90/hr? All he has is a half ton van!

You can pull up with easily over $100,000 in equipment alone and they want to nickle and dime all the way!!

Think Green
04-02-2011, 04:31 PM
("Then i get an e-mail saying that she remembers me talking about having a machine that i could use to do the grading to save time and make the job easier.")

HMM!!!

In the customers eyes........easier means less money!
Tell them that you are equipped with the means to do the job effectively and never give the hint that less time is less money! Any piece of machinery is acquisitioned for time and life of hours. The machine makes its own price per hour also.

Another good reason why I dont estimate jobs by the hour.

HPSInc
04-02-2011, 06:12 PM
its a joke how people think they can question and barter with professionals in the landscape field. i would stand on your price and if she doesnt like it dont give her the time or day. the price is the price. im sick and tired of people wanting the world on our behalf for pennies. i had similair situations with people for plow contracts. its like, they may as well tell US what were doing and name THEIR price. atleast thats what they try to do. imo what you described your price is not too high. gotta make a living and lugging expensive equipment over doesnt mean it gets cheaper. IMO it gets more expensive.

bigkid
04-02-2011, 11:15 PM
thanks for the comments guys. I didn't think i was to high but just wanted to see what you guys thought. I have no idea why people continue to question us contractors when they are the ones that call us. I remind people all the time that you don't go to the doctors or take your car to the garage and tell them what your gona pay. If i came knocking on your door begging for work then feel free to play the name your price game. I don't have a get rich quick plan, but i do have a plan to make sure my business continues to thrive, and that plan is no different than most of you on here, provide excellent service at an affordable price.

93Chevy
04-02-2011, 11:26 PM
I'd have torn up the contract if she told me she needed to wait for her tax check to come in. That's not my problem. You either want my service or you don't, I'm not going to bend out of my way around your schedule and finances. I have my own stuff to worry about.

Think Green
04-03-2011, 10:56 AM
Bigkid,
No, your prices reflect your overhead expenses. There are customers like this out there whom will auctioneer off your business and then pull their buy back number. She had all this money until the boyfriend moved out---RED FLAGS!!!!. Now she is waiting on her tax refund check!?? This person is obviously struggling......a gold digger and a manipulator. Leave the account before something worse occurs.......involving a lot of money!

McG_Landscaping
04-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Your price seems on track with the machine. When I work with my uncle and his company he charges $75 an hour plus what I make on top of it. I hate people questioning the cost of what it takes to do a job. Even to rent the machine herself she would pay about the same. Stupid people.

Turf Commando
04-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Never ceases to amaze me....

Yet they dont question a pumbler or HVAC tech that charges $80-90/hr? All he has is a half ton van!

You can pull up with easily over $100,000 in equipment alone and they want to nickle and dime all the way!!
Plumber is a skill trade, mowing requires no formal training..

JFGauvreau
04-03-2011, 08:30 PM
Plumber is a skill trade, mowing requires no formal training..

That's exactly why there is so many low-ballers.

starry night
04-03-2011, 08:39 PM
Plumber is a skill trade, mowing requires no formal training..

The OP is not talking about mowing.

Leo the Landscaper
04-03-2011, 08:43 PM
Plumber is a skill trade, mowing requires no formal training..

Sitting on or pushing a lawn mower requires the same amount of training that I need to use my plunger.

But mowing a lawn and being able to identify insect, disease and cultural problems takes skill. Being able to identify conditions that favor insects and disease takes skill. Knowing what actions to take and when to take them takes skill. Knowing how to operate and maintain equipment efficiently, effectively and safely takes skill. I could go on and on...I haven't even touched trees, shrubs, irrigation, soil etc.

bigkid
04-03-2011, 08:51 PM
plumber is a skill trade ? oh really. so if your a plumber your skilled. I beg to differ. Just because your a plumber doen't mean your skilled at anything, it means you do plumbing for a living. Plumbing, electrical, HVAC carpenter, landscaper, they are all the same. Some people are good at it and some aren't. It's not the title that makes the contractor it's the talent, knowledge and SKILL that makes a good contractor. You mean to tell me that their is no difference between someone mowing with no experience and someone that has been doing it for years. I can spot a rookie from a mile away. Clumps of grass, wavy lines, scalped lawns just to name a few. If you wana hire somene to cut your grass, fix a leaking pipe, replace a broken switch or replace a window that just has the title then by all means knock yourself out. I would rather hire someone with experience no matter what the trade. Just like in those other trades, in landscaping and mowing you get what you pay for.

bigkid
04-03-2011, 08:58 PM
oh and one more thing. How in the H*** did we go from doing a job requiring tens of thousands of dollars of machinery to talking about mowing and plumbers. Oh wait we were talking about skill, well i wana see someone without SKILL or training jump on my machine and try to run it in tight quarters and be efficient and not damage anything. I will be sure to bring the video camera for that.

wrtenterprises
04-03-2011, 09:00 PM
You have got to be kidding me! I've been in this business for almost (2) decades, and just about anyone can do manual labor. However, very few can operate a profitable, and legal lawncare business. It seems as if some here are confusing the two.....

capetrees
04-03-2011, 09:00 PM
maybe I'm spoiled in the sense that I don't need to travel far for work but 45 minutes to get to the job? Is it really that bad out there?

nepatsfan
04-03-2011, 09:01 PM
plumber is a skill trade ? oh really. so if your a plumber your skilled. I beg to differ. Just because your a plumber doen't mean your skilled at anything, it means you do plumbing for a living. Plumbing, electrical, HVAC carpenter, landscaper, they are all the same. Some people are good at it and some aren't. It's not the title that makes the contractor it's the talent, knowledge and SKILL that makes a good contractor. You mean to tell me that their is no difference between someone mowing with no experience and someone that has been doing it for years. I can spot a rookie from a mile away. Clumps of grass, wavy lines, scalped lawns just to name a few. If you wana hire somene to cut your grass, fix a leaking pipe, replace a broken switch or replace a window that just has the title then by all means knock yourself out. I would rather hire someone with experience no matter what the trade. Just like in those other trades, in landscaping and mowing you get what you pay for.

Big big difference. You need a license to be a plumber. You need a license to be a carpenter. All you need to be a landscaper is a lawnmower. You need to sell quality service and learn all aspects of the business. Everyone is experienced in mowing. Who hasn't mowed lawns even at 10 years old.

I am not trying to downgrade the profession but it is mostly bull work and you can get by knowing very little. I can take a guy off the street and train him to do just about anything we do in a day. We do most everything......landscape maintenance, construction, grading, plowing. Full service. It just isn't the same. That is why we are paid less and it is also why a lot of guys in the industry can run the business without ever touching a shovel. Very small percentage of carpenters, plumbers, and electricians do that.

nepatsfan
04-03-2011, 09:02 PM
maybe I'm spoiled in the sense that I don't need to travel far for work but 45 minutes to get to the job? Is it really that bad out there?

I hear you....I wouldn't drive 20 minutes for most jobs. I certainly wouldnt make return trips for someone that told me they needed to wait for a tax return.

JFGauvreau
04-03-2011, 09:35 PM
I guess it depends on the some states. But here in my province, being a plumber or electrician requires a license, which you get after 5 years of working as an apprentice.

If your a home owner and you do your own electricity or pluming, and something goes horrible wrong and your house burnt down, the insurance company won't be able to give you a penny. You need your stuff done by a licensed contractor, that needs to be check out by the city inspection.

If your mowing lawn, you don't need a licensed (apart from the legal stuff of a business). There is degrees you can have, so you can call yourself a specialist, like horticulture degree, turfs management. etc.

Turf Commando
04-03-2011, 09:56 PM
But mowing a lawn and being able to identify insect, disease and cultural problems takes skill. Being able to identify conditions that favor insects and disease takes skill. Knowing what actions to take and when to take them takes skill. Knowing how to operate and maintain equipment efficiently, effectively and safely takes skill. I could go on and on...I haven't even touched trees, shrubs, irrigation, soil etc.
Everything you listed is available at local library..

Or google depends on preference..!

starry night
04-03-2011, 10:12 PM
About all I see in the latter part of this thread is that some have pride in what they do and some don't.

Leo the Landscaper
04-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Everything you listed is available at local library..

Or google depends on preference..!

Lots of info about plumbing, electrical and hvac in those same locations.

I really don't want to get into an argument over this. I am just disappointed to hear that sort of rhetoric on this site.

starry night
04-03-2011, 10:30 PM
I just checked out Turf Commando's website. He talks about taking lawn care "to the next level." Apparently, there is a second floor to his local library.

bigkid
04-03-2011, 11:26 PM
I think the bottom line is that no matter what career you chose as long as you put forth the effort, and take pride in what you do you can be very successful. Part of that continuing success means making smart decisions so that your business continues to grow. It's never a smart decision to work for next to nothing but thats what customers expect us to do time and time again and it's not just isolated to lawncare and landscaping. My brother is a licensed master electrician and has his own business and he experiences the same thing that we do. Customers wanna question his pricing and always want something for nothing. The problem is that people know that if they look hard enough they can find someone to do it cheaper. These are also the same people that wanna B**** and moan when they get sub par work done. Once again the saying " you get what you pay for" comes into play again. Some people have already realised this and those that haven't will learn the hard way someday. My point to this whole thread was only to check my pricing and to vent about yet another customer playing the " I want to name my own price" game. I think we are all frustrated by that game and it's time we let people know and not just on this site.

Turf Commando
04-03-2011, 11:29 PM
I just checked out Turf Commando's website. He talks about taking lawn care "to the next level." Apparently, there is a second floor to his local library.

No just one floor ... but thanks for viewing my site...!

Turf Commando
04-03-2011, 11:35 PM
Lots of info about plumbing, electrical and hvac in those same locations.

I really don't want to get into an argument over this. I am just disappointed to hear that sort of rhetoric on this site.

True, except I'm not about to go install some water pipes in a million dollar home with a do it yourself book...:rolleyes:
Or risk electrical fire for faulty wiring, there's reasons why these fields require training..

Showpropserv
04-03-2011, 11:50 PM
I just checked out Turf Commando's website. He talks about taking lawn care "to the next level." Apparently, there is a second floor to his local library.

Thats just ******* hilarious:drinkup:

nepatsfan
04-04-2011, 10:32 AM
I think the bottom line is that no matter what career you chose as long as you put forth the effort, and take pride in what you do you can be very successful. Part of that continuing success means making smart decisions so that your business continues to grow. It's never a smart decision to work for next to nothing but thats what customers expect us to do time and time again and it's not just isolated to lawncare and landscaping. My brother is a licensed master electrician and has his own business and he experiences the same thing that we do. Customers wanna question his pricing and always want something for nothing. The problem is that people know that if they look hard enough they can find someone to do it cheaper. These are also the same people that wanna B**** and moan when they get sub par work done. Once again the saying " you get what you pay for" comes into play again. Some people have already realised this and those that haven't will learn the hard way someday. My point to this whole thread was only to check my pricing and to vent about yet another customer playing the " I want to name my own price" game. I think we are all frustrated by that game and it's time we let people know and not just on this site.

I agree with this. Absolutely take pride in your work and do a nice job. You have to sell quality to get top dollar because anyone can do it. Reliability and quality is the key.

There are a lot of jobs that anyone can do but it doesn't mean you don't do a good job or take pride in what you do! You have to take even more pride and do an even better job.

zopi
04-04-2011, 10:55 AM
Yeah...any bonehead can shove a mower...making a lawn an outdoor extension of the customer's home takes skill, dedication, taste and a bit of artistry...maybe there are not the hige liability overheads in a mow and go...but you add pesticide and fert to the mix along with arboriculture work...and the licensing gets thick.
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Patriot Services
04-04-2011, 12:02 PM
Run away from this customer. She will never have money to do anything. If she signed a contract why no down payment immediately?

Zopi- boneheads shoving mowers especially ones set to subsurface height are making me a ton of dough in sod this year. So all you new guys keep scalping in every sense of the word.
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freddyc
04-04-2011, 06:35 PM
plumber is a skill trade ? oh really. so if your a plumber your skilled. I beg to differ. Just because your a plumber doen't mean your skilled at anything, it means you do plumbing for a living. Plumbing, electrical, HVAC carpenter, landscaper, they are all the same. Some people are good at it and some aren't. It's not the title that makes the contractor it's the talent, knowledge and SKILL that makes a good contractor. You mean to tell me that their is no difference between someone mowing with no experience and someone that has been doing it for years. I can spot a rookie from a mile away. Clumps of grass, wavy lines, scalped lawns just to name a few. If you wana hire somene to cut your grass, fix a leaking pipe, replace a broken switch or replace a window that just has the title then by all means knock yourself out. I would rather hire someone with experience no matter what the trade. Just like in those other trades, in landscaping and mowing you get what you pay for.




I believe you're incorrect.

Plumbing, electrical, HVAC and so on are all considered skilled trades, and in all cases require a license. Some level of training is involved as is an apprenticeship.

You can brag about your professionalism as a lawn guy all you want but the fact is that anyone with $500 can start up and mow lawns. Just because you're driving a $40,000 truck pulling a trailer doesn't mean anything. I can go buy an expensive pipe wrench but that doesn't give me the ability to run pipe, calculate and size pipe or know building codes.

Unless you're doing hardscape work, mastered tree care or something that gives the impression of knowledge, you're just a run of the mill lawn mower guy. And the fact that you can spot a wavy line from a million miles way doesnt mean anything to 95% of customers. Just ask yourself----when is the last time a customer asked you how straight your lines are? Your satisfying your own ego, not the requirements of the majority of customers. Not meant as a dig to you but just because you have more talent at keeping a straight line than others won't elevate you to a professional status with the majority of people. I've never even had a customer who has requested lines. But, I've had a lot looking at how much I wanted to do the yard.

Remember one thing--- the majority of people can't do their own plumbing but the majority can mow their own lawn. When you get past this statement then you will be considered a professional, skilled trade in the eyes of the public.... good luck with that.

JFGauvreau
04-04-2011, 06:51 PM
Here in Canada, there is no such thing as striping, even the 1.5million+ house that have company mow lawns for them don't have stripe. I'm not sure why, maybe its not popular or maybe customers don't care about stripes.

Showpropserv
04-04-2011, 06:52 PM
but you have to admit plumbing is pretty easy at least in the replacement catagory my father was a plumber when I was small and from the sound of it, can just be nasty do you guys have any idea what electricans and carpentry workers do to places where a sump is installed nasty. Be happy in what you do and you will be fine.

bigkid
04-04-2011, 08:46 PM
I believe you're incorrect.

Plumbing, electrical, HVAC and so on are all considered skilled trades, and in all cases require a license. Some level of training is involved as is an apprenticeship.

You can brag about your professionalism as a lawn guy all you want but the fact is that anyone with $500 can start up and mow lawns. Just because you're driving a $40,000 truck pulling a trailer doesn't mean anything. I can go buy an expensive pipe wrench but that doesn't give me the ability to run pipe, calculate and size pipe or know building codes.

Unless you're doing hardscape work, mastered tree care or something that gives the impression of knowledge, you're just a run of the mill lawn mower guy. And the fact that you can spot a wavy line from a million miles way doesnt mean anything to 95% of customers. Just ask yourself----when is the last time a customer asked you how straight your lines are? Your satisfying your own ego, not the requirements of the majority of customers. Not meant as a dig to you but just because you have more talent at keeping a straight line than others won't elevate you to a professional status with the majority of people. I've never even had a customer who has requested lines. But, I've had a lot looking at how much I wanted to do the yard.

Remember one thing--- the majority of people can't do their own plumbing but the majority can mow their own lawn. When you get past this statement then you will be considered a professional, skilled trade in the eyes of the public.... good luck with that.




Before you come on here talking S*** make sure you know what your talking about. I don't know where you get your information from but if i were you i would get a full refund. You don't need a license do be a carpenter, plumber or electrician when doing residential work. I have been doing construction work for over 10 years and i have done plumbing, electrical and carepentry. Their are certain things you can't do when your not licensed but for the most part as long as you have a licensed contractor sign off on the work you did you will be fine. You need an aprenticeship if you want to become a master electrican or master plumber but again you don't have to be a master or licensed to do the work. Its people like you making the comments you made about lawncare that have driven the industry into the ground and gave good guys a bad name by doing sub par work. oh and one more thing, as i said earlier i don't only do landscaping and lawncare. I have been doing construction since i was 15 and have had my own business for the past 10. I am registered in the state of PA as a general contractor, attended 3 years of trade school to do carpentry, 1 year of trade school to do HVAC and i have my universal refrigeration license. I got into landscaping and lawncare after getting so many requests from existing customers because they were unhappy with always hiring guys like you with the attitude that anyone can do lawncare. Its people like you that make me look good.

nepatsfan
04-04-2011, 09:52 PM
Before you come on here talking S*** make sure you know what your talking about. I don't know where you get your information from but if i were you i would get a full refund. You don't need a license do be a carpenter, plumber or electrician when doing residential work. I have been doing construction work for over 10 years and i have done plumbing, electrical and carepentry. Their are certain things you can't do when your not licensed but for the most part as long as you have a licensed contractor sign off on the work you did you will be fine. You need an aprenticeship if you want to become a master electrican or master plumber but again you don't have to be a master or licensed to do the work. Its people like you making the comments you made about lawncare that have driven the industry into the ground and gave good guys a bad name by doing sub par work. oh and one more thing, as i said earlier i don't only do landscaping and lawncare. I have been doing construction since i was 15 and have had my own business for the past 10. I am registered in the state of PA as a general contractor, attended 3 years of trade school to do carpentry, 1 year of trade school to do HVAC and i have my universal refrigeration license. I got into landscaping and lawncare after getting so many requests from existing customers because they were unhappy with always hiring guys like you with the attitude that anyone can do lawncare. Its people like you that make me look good.

I am also very familiar with the construction industry. You don't need licenses as long as you work for someone else. I thought we were comparing apples to apples though. If you want to talk business owners....its pretty tough to run a plumbing business without a license. You may be able to fly under the radar but around me if you do most anything in plumbing or electrical, technically you need a permit. Anything structural you need a permit for carpentry, or for roof, siding windows.....most everything. I have a construction supervisors license which basically allows me to pull permits.


I don't think anyone is putting down landscaping.....but a trained monkey could do most everything. A lot of it is repetivive bull work...which is fine but don't make it out to be more than it is. Even things like patios and walls.....once you know the process.....anyone could do it after doing a couple. I don't think anyone could rough two houses for plumbing and know what to do and do it right, nor could they lay out and frame a hip roof, or install a new kitchen....or wire up a panel.

h2oskier
04-04-2011, 10:46 PM
True, except I'm not about to go install some water pipes in a million dollar home with a do it yourself book...:rolleyes:
Or risk electrical fire for faulty wiring, there's reasons why these fields require training..

Remind me to make sure you know how to read the owners manual of your equipment then, sounds to me as if your the one wanting to down the profession you chose to do. If any yahoo can mow lawns i guess all the undocumented people working on construction sites are licensed HUH seems a little odd that they are licensed to do construction, but no green card to be here leagally.

License= the ability to read and comprehend.
Just because you can pass a test doesn't mean you can perform the TASK.

h2oskier
04-04-2011, 10:49 PM
I don't think anyone is putting down landscaping.....but a trained monkey could do most everything. A lot of it is repetivive bull work...which is fine but don't make it out to be more than it is. Even things like patios and walls.....once you know the process.....anyone could do it after doing a couple. I don't think anyone could rough two houses for plumbing and know what to do and do it right, nor could they lay out and frame a hip roof, or install a new kitchen....or wire up a panel.

So tell us again why you decided to do LAWN CARE?

capetrees
04-04-2011, 11:42 PM
Some of the comments in here are awesome.

"You don't need a license do be a carpenter, plumber or electrician when doing residential work."

then

"Their are certain things you can't do when your not licensed but for the most part as long as you have a licensed contractor sign off on the work you did you will be fine. "

So which is it?:confused:

bigkid
04-05-2011, 12:58 AM
Some of the comments in here are awesome.

"You don't need a license do be a carpenter, plumber or electrician when doing residential work."

then

"Their are certain things you can't do when your not licensed but for the most part as long as you have a licensed contractor sign off on the work you did you will be fine. "

So which is it?:confused:



It's just as i said it. Ok for example i can go into someones house and do all the electrical work they care to have me do. When i am done i call my brother who is licensed and have him sign off on the work. I can do plumbing and then have a licensed plumber sign off on the work. As long as you are registered in your respective state you are fine. In pennsylvania al you need is your state ID number. You still get some townships that say you have to register with them, but the state ID is technically all you need. Some people get registered and licensed confused. Yes you have to be registered to be a legitimate contractor (which i am) but not licensed.

bigkid
04-05-2011, 01:14 AM
I don't think anyone is putting down landscaping.....but a trained monkey could do most everything. A lot of it is repetivive bull work...which is fine but don't make it out to be more than it is. Even things like patios and walls.....once you know the process.....anyone could do it after doing a couple. I don't think anyone could rough two houses for plumbing and know what to do and do it right, nor could they lay out and frame a hip roof, or install a new kitchen....or wire up a panel.

So tell us again why you decided to do LAWN CARE?



I decided to get into lawncare and landscaping for a few reasons. One of those reasons were because of all the customers i had been doing construction projects for that kept asking if i would do landscaping/hardscaping or mowing for them. One of the first builders i ever worked for did houses from the ground up including the final cleanup and landscaping so i was able to take on those jobs as well but i only did it on a small scale. As time went by i realised how much i was enjoying doing something different then what i had been doing. Another positive was that i didn't have to compete with the amish crews for work. Those guys are like some of the lowballers you see in lawncare. While i was charging 65 an hr they were charging 35 and that was for a foreman, they charged like 20 for a helper so it was a pain because i live in amish country. I still take on construction jobs from time to time mainly during the winter. It's nice to have extra work to go along with the plowing which is always so up and down around here. Things have gone full circle. I used to be construction 1st and lawncare/landscaping 2nd and now it's lawncare/landscaping 1st and construction 2nd

Turf Commando
04-05-2011, 01:35 AM
sounds to me as if your the one wanting to down the profession you chose to do.

The profession was downgraded along time ago where you been...?

h2oskier
04-05-2011, 03:07 AM
The profession was downgraded along time ago where you been...?

Maybe for some, makes you wonder what all the whinning is about. I havent seen a profession that doesnt have competition. Take all the grocery stores that continue to compete with Wal-Mart, some have tuck tailed and ran, then others continue to rely solely on the moral that somethings just you just dont get with a DISCOUNT, customer service, quality, people who remember your name after the sale is over. Just a few i got more.

Fact is, if you want to make it in ANY business, you cant worry about the other guys tactics, just be smarter.

And if i need a degree or LICENSE for smart, comonsense goes alot further.

nepatsfan
04-05-2011, 06:50 PM
I don't think anyone is putting down landscaping.....but a trained monkey could do most everything. A lot of it is repetivive bull work...which is fine but don't make it out to be more than it is. Even things like patios and walls.....once you know the process.....anyone could do it after doing a couple. I don't think anyone could rough two houses for plumbing and know what to do and do it right, nor could they lay out and frame a hip roof, or install a new kitchen....or wire up a panel.

So tell us again why you decided to do LAWN CARE?

People pay to have it done. We do a very nice job. People need there trash picked up too. Ask waste management or got junk? how they are doing. Do they go on trash websites and talk about how complicated picking up trash is? Come on guys....don't take yourselves to seriously. We have been in business 12 years, we do a great job, I think as good or better than anyone around us. Kind of like people who do powerwashing, or sealcoating or painting. Are there things you have to know? Absolutely. It doesn't take a whole lot of time to learn it though and you don't need to be licensed.

I was in the construction industry for a while and started cutting lawns after work for more money. I have taken tons of classes, seminars, joined organizations and what not. Trial and error at first. Anyways.....if you guys think what you do is brain surgery, fine...but it isn't, not even close. You are closer to a garbage man than you are to an electrician. There is nothing wrong with that though. The world needs garbage men, landscapers, electricians, plumbers, doctors....whatever. No matter what you do you should take pride in what you do. We definitely do, we know it's hard work but it looks great when we are done...no matter what we do.

h2oskier
04-05-2011, 07:27 PM
And the point continues to rear its UGLY HEAD, if you dont like the heat stay out of the DAMN kitchen.

So for all of you whinners out there complaining about customers who don't pay, or lowballers, pita's, and such go get some skills become a politition, and whine over something that really matters.