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Exact Rototilling
04-30-2011, 04:27 PM
Ok...other than buy a different truck as being the best option, what has been your experience on these types of systems for added load carrying ability and leveling?

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Falcon50EX
04-30-2011, 11:57 PM
Ok...other than buy a different truck as being the best option, what has been your experience on these types of systems for added load carrying ability and leveling?

http://www.suspensionconnection.com/images/master/firestone_coil_rite_air_bags.gif
http://www.suspensionconnection.com/images/master/firestone_ride_rite_air_bags.gif

What is a light truck? I have a F150 and would like to get a set. One of the guys i work with has had a set for 8 years and never had a problem.

doyles
05-01-2011, 11:50 AM
i talked to some people about this idea before and the only real problem with this set up that if you have a air leak you will always have to add air and i think when you are unloaded you might want to let the air out to sofen out the ride

Falcon50EX
05-01-2011, 11:55 AM
i talked to some people about this idea before and the only real problem with this set up that if you have a air leak you will always have to add air and i think when you are unloaded you might want to let the air out to sofen out the ride

Fix the leak and yes you let the air out if you are not loaded. There is a simple air valve like the one on you tires to fill and deflate. Put the valve in a simple location or get a DC airpump.

P.Services
05-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Buy them. Night and day difference makes the truck much safer going down the road. Well worth the money.
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Exact Rototilling
05-01-2011, 01:05 PM
Fix the leak and yes you let the air out if you are not loaded. There is a simple air valve like the one on you tires to fill and deflate. Put the valve in a simple location or get a DC airpump.

I'm just going to sport for the entire package including the dual needle gage control plus air compressor for both my Toyotas. I've run the air leak scenario in my head and the fiddle factor of more air or less air will waste too much time.

Falcon,

BTW check out the Aviation thread in the off topic fourm.

:waving:

G. Ramey
05-01-2011, 09:54 PM
The ambulances I ride on have airbags and never have leaks. I think the airbag companies make their products out of some really tough materials. One of the ambulances has 180,000 miles on it with no airbag problems.

nobagger
05-02-2011, 08:05 AM
I kicked the airbag idea around for our F250 when we bought it. I decided to go with more rear leaf springs. I chose to add more leaf springs because it also made the truck stronger/stiffer from side to side as well as the ability to carry more. IDK, like a few guys said, the possibility's of an air leak, possible problems with air compressors just swayed me to get more leafs installed. Now we have to do the same thing with the F350 srw we bought. I never thought we would have an issue with a F350 but theres only 1 more leaf to begin with over a F250.

STIHL GUY
05-02-2011, 11:58 AM
i have a set on my 2500HD. there great and really help level the truck out when its loaded

rodzilla94
05-03-2011, 10:12 PM
i have a minitruck with air bags all the way around it i have installed the for 10 years plus. when you get the system (the one you bought is the best set up) just remember to use ONLY the liquid thread compound only do not use the tape it can break off in the system and mess up everything. now with leaks if you use the plastic line (1/4 is fine for helpers) just make sure you cut the line straight if a little off with the cut and it could leak. just remember give yourself alot of moving room with the line and use common sense to attach the lines to the frame220265

rodzilla94
05-03-2011, 10:22 PM
here is my baby220266sorry so small im learning lol

rodzilla94
05-03-2011, 11:29 PM
one more 220274

Falcon50EX
05-03-2011, 11:38 PM
May be I am to old but what can you do with that truck. It was a lot of work to build and it looks good but for me I can not see it.

everyone has some type of toy

poolboy
05-04-2011, 06:32 AM
We have helper spring on a few of the Frontiers that we have, they help considerably, but once unloaded, the ride stiffness is too much.

The way to go is adjustable airbags. I have the Airlift 5000 bag, air compressor, with wireless remote on my 09 Tundra. At the touch of a button I can control the exact ride comfort. Fyi, I've had this system for 60k miles with no trouble at all, the only thing done was replace the batteries in the remote.

If anything, get something, your suspension will thank you in the long run.

dwc
05-05-2011, 01:30 AM
Supersprings.com money well spent.
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mtchockey30
05-05-2011, 02:45 AM
I have some on the rear of my f250 that came on it when I bought it..(today) but I have yet to be able to play with them much or have a load

MDLawn
05-05-2011, 09:53 PM
I kicked the airbag idea around for our F250 when we bought it. I decided to go with more rear leaf springs. I chose to add more leaf springs because it also made the truck stronger/stiffer from side to side as well as the ability to carry more. IDK, like a few guys said, the possibility's of an air leak, possible problems with air compressors just swayed me to get more leafs installed. Now we have to do the same thing with the F350 srw we bought. I never thought we would have an issue with a F350 but theres only 1 more leaf to begin with over a F250.

Not trying to be a wise guy but Ford made the rear springs EXACTLY the same for the F250/350, the only option being the overloads but my 250 has them and most that I have looked at. Trust me this has been talked about extensively on a reputable ford truck site and confirmed by Ford. The only thing that changes is the door sticker for GVWR and a 2" rear block for 250's and a 4" block for 350's thus giving the 350 a taller rear stance. The DRW trucks are different and maybe the current trucks. Below is the info from the other site.

The question that seems to keep coming up week after week is

" What is the difference between a F250 and a F350"

Here it is:

There are 3 differences between the SRW 250/350...
1) F-250 vs F-350 badges
2) 2" rear spacer block in 250 vs 4" in the 350
3) *most important* GVWR for F350 SRW is 9900 in most states and the F250 8800 in most states.

From 99 to mid 2001 the srw trucks came with a Dana 50, Ford started using the Dana 60's on all F250/350's from mid 01 to present ,the front axle is identical on both trucks, including springs.


Springs in the Source Book are EXACTLY the same:
Front Leaf 250/350

3600lb 1.12"(thickness) 55.63"(length) 3.00"(width) 350(deflection)
4000lb 1.18"(thickness) 55.63"(length) 3.00"(width) 370(deflection)
4400lb 1.18"(thickness) 55.63"(length) 3.00"(width) 390(deflection)
4800lb 1.18"(thickness) 55.63"(length) 3.00"(width) 410(deflection)
5200lb 1.18"(thickness) 55.63"(length) 3.00"(width) 430(deflection)
6000lb 1.25"(thickness) 55.63"(length) 3.00"(width) 470(deflection)

Rear Leaf 250/350

6830lb 6(leaves) 3.86(thickness @ pad) 58.1"(lenght) 3.00"(width) 320/670/1209(deflection lbs/sq") 3603(rating@pad lbs/spring)

Rear leaf DRW
8250lb 6(leaves) 3.95(thickness @ pad) 58.1"(lenght) 3.00"(width) 350/730/1270(deflection lbs/sq") 4187(rating@pad lbs/spring)




And if that is not enough, here is a email, submitted by John aka johnsdiesel, that he received directly from FORD



Dear John,

Thank you for your message of 06/24/04 regarding the 2002 Ford F-250
and 2002 Ford F-350. We appreciate the time you have taken to inquire
about the rear leaf spring specifications of these vehicles.

Thank you for your interest in our products and services. Rugged,
practical, capable, innovative - these are clearly qualities of Ford
F-Series Super Duty trucks.

In an effort to assist, we have researched your inquiry and according
to
our records, the rear leaf spring specifications for the 2002 Ford
F-250
and 2002 Ford F-350 are the same. They are:

Super Duty Series/Model: F-250/F-350 SRW Pickup
Combined Rating @ Ground: 6830 pounds (lbs.)
Number of Leaves: 6
Total Thickness @ Pad: 3.86 inches (in.)
Overall Length: 58.1 in.
Width: 3.00 in.
Deflection Rate (lbs. per in./ spring): 320/670/1209
Rating Each @ Pad (lbs. per spring): 3603

We hope this information is of assistance to you. Ford's goal is to
make your ownership experience an enjoyable one. Your loyalty is
valued
and appreciated. We would like you to continue to enjoy the many Ford
products and services that we have to offer.

At Ford Motor Company, we consider the satisfaction of our customers as
one of our most important objectives. If you have any other inquiries
or concerns, please feel free to contact us and we will be happy to
address them.

Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.

Sincerely,
Maggie
Ford Motor Company
Customer Relationship Center
I have the air bags and well worth the money. The air lines that firestone uses is the same product for truck air brakes....probably tough stuff.

lawnsunlimited6
05-07-2011, 11:48 PM
web site for rear air bags for dodge ram 1500 ????????

MDLawn
05-07-2011, 11:52 PM
web site for rear air bags for dodge ram 1500 ????????

summitracing.com

jcwhitney.com

Just use your internet search!

lawnsunlimited6
05-09-2011, 11:37 PM
thanks , air shocks aint workin

tibbetts77
05-15-2011, 01:09 AM
i installed timbren helpers in the rear of my 04 f150. they are rubber helper springs that replace the factory bump stops. They dont effect the trucks ride height or quality when empty, but when loaded up, the truck doesnt go past level. its like having an add a leaf only when you need it. Well worth the $100

ant
05-15-2011, 11:39 PM
i have a f 150 and just installed them last week and love them.. autoanything.com 180.00 firestones