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LushGreenLawn
05-03-2011, 09:26 PM
Hey Guys,

With the high gas prices, I am trying to think of ways to cut back and keep my fuel expenses under budget.

I'm considering changing my mowing crew to a small truck, like an S-10 or something similar. I switched from an enclosed trailer to a small flatbed, and the difference in fuel consumption is quite noticable.

Now with the flatbed, they only carry a single 48" Zturn, 2 push mowers, and misc trimmers, edgers, blowers. Its really not that much weight.

I was thinking an S-10 might get me another MPG or two. Has anyone tried this, if so what kind of mileage do you get pulling? I'm getting 9mpg on average with the full size truck.

BTW, this setup is only used 100% for mowing lawns, 5 days a week, carrying a crew of 2. I don't need it to pull a bobcat, 4 tons of stone, or a dump trailer full of mulch. Just 2 people and some lawn equipment. I have other trucks for that.

knox gsl
05-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Not sure about the size of your flat bed but there is a good size company here that uses tacomas and 5x10 trailers to run route work off of. They usually have 2 48'' WB's, 21, and handhelds. The only thing that I would want is to add brakes to the trailer as most small trailers don't come with brakes.

LushGreenLawn
05-03-2011, 09:34 PM
Not sure about the size of your flat bed but there is a good size company here that uses tacomas and 5x10 trailers to run route work off of. They usually have 2 48'' WB's, 21, and handhelds. The only thing that I would want is to add brakes to the trailer as most small trailers don't come with brakes.

We have a company like that too, a very large company. I've seen at least 20 trucks (not all lawn mowing setups, but still) lined up at the end of the road waiting to turn on the highway on the morning.

I'm really curious about the mileage. I'm thinking S-10 but mabye theres something to the Tacoma

cpllawncare
05-03-2011, 09:37 PM
Not sure about the size of your flat bed but there is a good size company here that uses tacomas and 5x10 trailers to run route work off of. They usually have 2 48'' WB's, 21, and handhelds. The only thing that I would want is to add brakes to the trailer as most small trailers don't come with brakes.

I would go with a Nissan Frontier with the 4.0 V6 it is the best midsize truck on the market, and the 4.0 pulls like a V8 without the gas guzzling. I'm certain you would get more than 9 mpg I'm betting a good bit more.

LushGreenLawn
05-03-2011, 09:43 PM
I would go with a Nissan Frontier with the 4.0 V6 it is the best midsize truck on the market, and the 4.0 pulls like a V8 without the gas guzzling.

Do you have personal experience with them? Have you ever checked the mileage?

BINKY1902
05-03-2011, 09:43 PM
I use a Nissan frontier 2.4 liter 4 cylinder. I pull a 5x12, 52" ZTR, 21" push, and handhelds. I get in the low twenties while pulling, high twenties when I'm not pulling the trailer. I have it set up to get the most MPGs possible, with cold air intake, exhaust, etc.

knox gsl
05-03-2011, 09:43 PM
I would look for an auto, regular cab, low mileage 2x4 truck and if not the color you want get a cheap paint job.

G. Ramey
05-03-2011, 09:51 PM
I don't know if they are for sale in the U.S. yet, but Mahindras new diesel pickup truck supposed to get 25-30 mpg. In the pictures it looks like the regular cab long bed would make a nice flat bed lawnmower hauler.

cpllawncare
05-03-2011, 09:58 PM
Do you have personal experience with them? Have you ever checked the mileage?

Yes I've owned several Nissans over the years, I had a 06 Frontier with the 4.0 when I was married but regretfully gave it to the wife, it is a great truck It out pulls my ranger by a long shot, mileage runs around 21-25 without a trailer not sure with the trailer never checked it with one. But they are very dependable trucks. I'm trying to get her to let me have it back LOL

steel05
05-03-2011, 10:10 PM
I've got a 05 tacoma v6 It pulls a 6.5 x 12 with a 48 walk behind, push mower and misc. items also loaded with clippings by the end of the day just fine. I get about 14mpg towing and about 20 when not towing. they're great trucks. Just change the oil and drive. I'm looking to buying another one for plowing this winter I'll use it for smaller drives.

WLC26
05-03-2011, 10:13 PM
I have a 2011 f150 with the 5.0 mustang motor and it gets 26 mpg mixed use, and 17 mpg towing a 3000lb trailer. The new full size trucks are way better on fuel.

cpllawncare
05-03-2011, 10:16 PM
I have a 2011 f150 with the 5.0 mustang motor and it gets 26 mpg mixed use, and 17 mpg towing a 3000lb trailer. The new full size trucks are way better on fuel.

Yea but who can afford to buy new anymore ARGH!!

steel05
05-03-2011, 10:18 PM
I second that!

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05-03-2011, 10:19 PM
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cpllawncare
05-03-2011, 10:23 PM
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Your kiddin right LOL

steel05
05-03-2011, 10:35 PM
Has anyone tried this...http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HYP-30022/ I've been told they can increase your mpg's by 4-6 mpg with gas at 4.00 and going up. I'm thinking about it.

cpllawncare
05-03-2011, 10:39 PM
Has anyone tried this...http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HYP-30022/ I've been told they can increase your mpg's by 4-6 mpg with gas at 4.00 and going up. I'm thinking about it.

Reprogramming your computer, hope you know what your doing.

steel05
05-03-2011, 10:54 PM
I have no clue on how to do it! lol! I was talking to a mechanic last week about them. He was going on and on about gov. regulations placed on trucks and cars. It made sense. I also have a chevy 2500 which kills me in gas. I've spent money on dumber things.

BrunoT
05-03-2011, 10:58 PM
Some of the newer designs of light duty full size trucks with V6's are rated at 17/23 or 16/22 or thereabouts. Real world you're probably talking 14-15mpg around town with mowers in the back.

The problem with smaller trucks is you either have minimal bed space or you have to spend a good bit to modify that. That adds weight and drag which might negate some mpg advantages. And I've personally found that a smaller v6 or I4 engine working harder doesn't do that much better when loaded down than a 2wd small v8/good v6 full sizer working less hard. Compacts are also built really light and fragile.

V6's vary though. it used to be they put old pig engines in because they were cheap.

A 2wd long bed reg cab is lighter can will give adequate power vs a 4x4 crew cab towing a trailer, so you'll probably find a full size truck more versatile overall. The compact offerings are either overpriced (toyota) or too small to hold much w/o a lot of modifications.

BrunoT
05-03-2011, 11:01 PM
Has anyone tried this...http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HYP-30022/ I've been told they can increase your mpg's by 4-6 mpg with gas at 4.00 and going up. I'm thinking about it.

From what I've read in mags the reprogramming works far better with diesels than with gas models due to the turbo. Probably not much more than 1mpg would be more like it. I have the same issue, 10mpg with a hd gas truck.

steel05
05-03-2011, 11:35 PM
This guy was claiming his brother is getting 20 mpg while towing his 21 foot boat with his 2500 hd!

LushGreenLawn
05-03-2011, 11:44 PM
Some of the newer designs of light duty full size trucks with V6's are rated at 17/23 or 16/22 or thereabouts. Real world you're probably talking 14-15mpg around town with mowers in the back.

The problem with smaller trucks is you either have minimal bed space or you have to spend a good bit to modify that. That adds weight and drag which might negate some mpg advantages. And I've personally found that a smaller v6 or I4 engine working harder doesn't do that much better when loaded down than a 2wd small v8/good v6 full sizer working less hard. Compacts are also built really light and fragile.

V6's vary though. it used to be they put old pig engines in because they were cheap.

A 2wd long bed reg cab is lighter can will give adequate power vs a 4x4 crew cab towing a trailer, so you'll probably find a full size truck more versatile overall. The compact offerings are either overpriced (toyota) or too small to hold much w/o a lot of modifications.

Thats what I'm wondering if the extra strain on the engine would offset the fuel benefit. FYI right now I have a full size truck, that gets 15mpg with a v6 in it, pulling a trailer takes it down to 9. I'm not sure another full size truck is going to do the trick, even if its a 2wd.

I don't need to use the bed at all, it strictly pulls a mowing trailer. I don't need versatility.

LushGreenLawn
05-03-2011, 11:45 PM
This guy was claiming his brother is getting 20 mpg while towing his 21 foot boat with his 2500 hd!

A 2500HD doesn't get that kind of mileage on its best day not pulling anything.

LushGreenLawn
05-03-2011, 11:48 PM
I've got a 05 tacoma v6 It pulls a 6.5 x 12 with a 48 walk behind, push mower and misc. items also loaded with clippings by the end of the day just fine. I get about 14mpg towing and about 20 when not towing. they're great trucks. Just change the oil and drive. I'm looking to buying another one for plowing this winter I'll use it for smaller drives.

Thats exactly the info I needed. Mabye there is something to this tacoma thing. I've been getting an average of 9mpg. a 5mpg bump would be worth buying a truck at $3-4 a gallon with the miles my guys put on it.

Do you check MPG regularly?

unkownfl
05-03-2011, 11:59 PM
I had a 4.3 silverado long bed, regular cab, auto that averaged 12-14 towing a single axle 6x12 with 3000lbs of mowing equipment. In a S10 it might get a tad bit more but wouldn't be worth it with the smaller tires/rear end brakes etc... You would spend more maintaining a compact truck vs a smaller engine full size that it would just eat away any money saved in fuel. I bought a I4 dakota 5 speed that I plan on using for just mowing I waiting to put a clutch in it and see what it does for MPG over the 4.6 3v 6 speed f150 I have now.

steel05
05-04-2011, 12:00 AM
Lush green... I know My hd gets about 9.5 mpg. I told the guy he was crazy. He swore up and down. As for the tacoma I check it about once every week. I'm kinda anal about it. I just feel they great trucks. They handle nice, smooth drive, and the resale value is the best in it's class. I had a 2000 put 180000 miles on it Traded it in they gave me 4000.00 for it the only thing I had to do it was replace the center bearing. They run forever.

LushGreenLawn
05-04-2011, 12:35 AM
I had a 4.3 silverado long bed, regular cab, auto that averaged 12-14 towing a single axle 6x12 with 3000lbs of mowing equipment. In a S10 it might get a tad bit more but wouldn't be worth it with the smaller tires/rear end brakes etc... You would spend more maintaining a compact truck vs a smaller engine full size that it would just eat away any money saved in fuel. I bought a I4 dakota 5 speed that I plan on using for just mowing I waiting to put a clutch in it and see what it does for MPG over the 4.6 3v 6 speed f150 I have now.

Wow, mabye its something with my truck? I've got the same truck, same engine getting 8-9mpg towing about the same equipment.

32vld
05-04-2011, 08:52 PM
Thats what I'm wondering if the extra strain on the engine would offset the fuel benefit. FYI right now I have a full size truck, that gets 15mpg with a v6 in it, pulling a trailer takes it down to 9. I'm not sure another full size truck is going to do the trick, even if its a 2wd.

I don't need to use the bed at all, it strictly pulls a mowing trailer. I don't need versatility.

The way 66 chevy implala got much better gas mileage with the 283 v8 then the 250 v6. Same GM putting v6 in their full size rwd buick lesabres. Underpowered and the engines did not stand up due to being over worked.

Never buy a full size pick up with a v6. For 3000 lbs to cause mpg to drop that much just shows how under powered a v6 is for the job.

I have a 2001 yukonxl 3.42, 5.3, pulling a loaded pop up and the back of the truck loaded as well I get 20.7 mpg on the highway at 70 mph. The engine does not even feel the load.

Now my brother has just bought a new chevy reg cab 1500, 8' bed, 3.42, with the new small v8 295. He bought close to a basic truck for $26,000. I say save your money until you can afford one.

The 5.3 come with cylinder cutoff and 6 speed auto. What you will save in fuel will also make the purchase less expensive.

Kelly's Landscaping
05-04-2011, 09:57 PM
My smaller trucks do go through breaks much more frequently then the bigger 3500s I use to stand by the fuel efficient model but found I am better off getting a truck that meets all my needs In a diesel. Now the efi motors on the new lazers that's a different story.

cpllawncare
05-04-2011, 11:18 PM
My smaller trucks do go through breaks much more frequently then the bigger 3500s I use to stand by the fuel efficient model but found I am better off getting a truck that meets all my needs In a diesel. Now the efi motors on the new lazers that's a different story.

If your truck is going thru brakes your towing too much weight. A midsize truck will work fine for route work as long as your not trying to pull three or four mowers with it. It really comes down to weight don't over do it and you'll be fine.

Kelly's Landscaping
05-06-2011, 12:42 AM
7000 gvw trailer that has never weighed more then 5000 I think its more the hills in my area. You can really cook them going down hill sometimes. But we also bag a lot so while we may not tow that much you can add a few thousand pounds of grass in the bed sometimes as well.