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Agape
05-07-2011, 02:56 AM
so this guy calls and says "I have a rather large lawn that should have been mowed about 10 days ago"

I get there and the grass is average shin high to waist high in a couple areas and it's big (thay bought the lot behind them to make a gigantic lawn- I mean it's enormous). the front is small but nasty.

pics don't show the massive size well and on camera phone

KINGMADE
05-07-2011, 02:58 AM
aha at the 10 days ago. 1 month plus. Depends on if they are going to be a regular customer but I still would not give them that much of a break on price. Looks like a monster pita. Do they want you to bag it? also what equipment would you use?

jsslawncare
05-07-2011, 07:04 AM
Don't fall for the "Good price for future work" trick.

ALC-GregH
05-07-2011, 08:43 AM
I did a lawn right next to one of my regulars. The woman hadn't had the grass cut yet this year. She knew I was coming by to do my regular. When I got there I wasn't on the trimmer 2 minutes and she stopped me. I gave her a price that equaled out to almost $100hr and she jumped all over it. She is now a weekly customer right next door to my other. :) I should have gotten pics. It was a lot taller then what the OP posted.

MOturkey
05-07-2011, 09:58 AM
I never end up charging enough for these deals. Well, almost never. I did one a couple of years ago, quoting a price of $225 because I didn't really want to do it at all, but only charged $200 because it didn't really take me as long as I thought.

We should get 3-4 times what a normal mow would be, because the customer is getting a month's mowing at once. Realistically, twice the cost of a regular mowing is probably ballpark.

Agape
05-07-2011, 10:14 AM
aha at the 10 days ago. 1 month plus. Depends on if they are going to be a regular customer but I still would not give them that much of a break on price. Looks like a monster pita. Do they want you to bag it? also what equipment would you use?

well, I never fall for that crap of "do this super cheap, and I'll give you a ton of super cheap stuff" lol
As for equipment used; I got a brand new worker and he(his wife) was worried that he wouldnt get hours so he was gonna go to his old job if I couldn't guarantee a certain amount of hours (awsome worker, so i wanted to keep him) so I dropped him off with a honda homeowners that I use as a back-up mower, (old aluminum deck). I have a brand new honda commercial, but $1200 vs.$120 in grass that could have anything in it.

and gave him 2 buckets and a string trimmer for the fence (here's your hours) and went to see my accountant and have a cup of coffee and I have a guy who works at home who wants me there between "such and such" a time so i went to do that.

I got back a couple hours later and helped him finish for an hour.

I wanted to charge a min. of $200 but I also wanted the job so I bid and got it for $170 mow only and bag/haul figuring as long as it took my guy less than 15 hours I was in the black lol

Agape
05-07-2011, 10:21 AM
I never end up charging enough for these deals. Well, almost never. I did one a couple of years ago, quoting a price of $225 because I didn't really want to do it at all, but only charged $200 because it didn't really take me as long as I thought.

We should get 3-4 times what a normal mow would be, because the customer is getting a month's mowing at once. Realistically, twice the cost of a regular mowing is probably ballpark.

I always charge as if i'm using a crapsman mower.
If they don't like the price they can get their own $1200 mower.

Mountain Peak
05-07-2011, 10:23 AM
well, I never fall for that crap of "do this super cheap, and I'll give you a ton of super cheap stuff" lol
As for equipment used; I got a brand new worker and he(his wife) was worried that he wouldnt get hours so he was gonna go to his old job if I couldn't guarantee a certain amount of hours (awsome worker, so i wanted to keep him) so I dropped him off with a honda homeowners that I use as a back-up mower, (old aluminum deck). I have a brand new honda commercial, but $1200 vs.$120 in grass that could have anything in it.

and gave him 2 buckets and a string trimmer for the fence (here's your hours) and went to see my accountant and have a cup of coffee and I have a guy who works at home who wants me there between "such and such" a time so i went to do that.

I got back a couple hours later and helped him finish for an hour.

I wanted to charge a min. of $200 but I also wanted the job so I bid and got it for $170 mow only and bag/haul figuring as long as it took my guy less than 15 hours I was in the black lol

Nice!! I love it.

Snyder's Lawn Inc
05-07-2011, 10:56 PM
how many hrs did it take him to mow it and hauled the grass off

Agape
05-07-2011, 11:25 PM
how many hrs did it take him to mow it and hauled the grass off

I think I dropped him off at about 8:45 and I came back and helped him finish for about an hour, half of which was tossing the big pile in the truck i had him make 'cause I took the truck. and we left at 11:40 so just over the 4 man hours I thought it would take, and I produced half a load of grass in my 7x8x3 dump box, I finished off the route day with a mostly full and took my empty truck for fridays route with a bunch of buckets and threw them in at the end of friday and dumped for $20.

He wanted hours and I gave him 12 on thursday (lol). he said the next day "If we get off at regular time today, is ok" he was sore and tired.

topsites
05-07-2011, 11:37 PM
I always charge as if i'm using a crapsman mower.
If they don't like the price they can get their own $1200 mower.

What difference does it make, doesn't it cost the same if you use a $20,000 Lastec articulator?
Does it cost more if I use a mower 200 times the price of yours?
Or does it cost less?

*** SPOILER ****
Ah, nevermind.

Snyder's Lawn Inc
05-07-2011, 11:58 PM
What difference does it make, doesn't it cost the same if you use a $20,000 Lastec articulator?
Does it cost more if I use a mower 200 times the price of yours?
Or does it cost less?

*** SPOILER ****
Ah, nevermind.

If he used that
It would been done in 1-2 hrs instead of 4.5 hrs
at same price

Agape
05-08-2011, 12:12 AM
What difference does it make, doesn't it cost the same if you use a $20,000 Lastec articulator?
Does it cost more if I use a mower 200 times the price of yours?
Or does it cost less?

*** SPOILER ****
Ah, nevermind.

You're soooo funny, I guess my old boss lied. there IS such thing as a stupid question.

I'll try to speak your language;

$100 mower= 6 hours
$1200 mower = 3 hours
so do we give a break because we bought a $1200 mower?

If I sold my soul to the devil for the abillity to whistle dixie land, and the lawn would be clean I would not charge a dollar, or 45 cents, or 30 cents or whatever cuause it only took me a minute to whistle it.

I did a black berry clearing the other day, that I gave an estimate for $700 LAST YEAR, the husband tried to save money and do it himself which is ok.

He made a "dent" after working most of a day and exhausted himself and didn't return to it, and later went to alaska for 3 months- and now a year later was happy to pay the $700 wich is cheap for two guys for a day.
I had no special tools but heavy sharp balling shovels, A large pull fork. with the exception of a John deere articulating hedge trimmer ($500) and 14 years of experience doing similar jobs.

the only time I EVER do hourly is when I can't see an ending, then I do day rate of 2 guys, 8 hours including dumping for $850/day unless I read the customer and figure he's good for $795

oh, I have an hourly rate in my head and the expected man hours, but I don't discuss it with the customer unless I just can't see the ending time-(nightmare scenario), then I do it just so i don't get screwed and make at least XX

topsites
05-08-2011, 01:40 AM
I wasn't asking.

Or I should say, I wasn't expecting an answer.

What I was doing is pointing out that no matter the equipment you use, the price is the same.

And the reason for that is because certain folks keep talking about using such-and-such price equipment...
As IF it made a difference.

It makes absolutely NO difference what you are using!
So why mention it?

But maybe I can use that $425 / day labor rate.

Snyder's Lawn Inc
05-08-2011, 02:04 AM
You're soooo funny, I guess my old boss lied. there IS such thing as a stupid question.

I'll try to speak your language;

$100 mower= 6 hours
$1200 mower = 3 hours
so do we give a break because we bought a $1200 mower?

If I sold my soul to the devil for the abillity to whistle dixie land, and the lawn would be clean I would not charge a dollar, or 45 cents, or 30 cents or whatever cuause it only took me a minute to whistle it.

I did a black berry clearing the other day, that I gave an estimate for $700 LAST YEAR, the husband tried to save money and do it himself which is ok.

He made a "dent" after working most of a day and exhausted himself and didn't return to it, and later went to alaska for 3 months- and now a year later was happy to pay the $700 wich is cheap for two guys for a day.
I had no special tools but heavy sharp balling shovels, A large pull fork. with the exception of a John deere articulating hedge trimmer ($500) and 14 years of experience doing similar jobs.

the only time I EVER do hourly is when I can't see an ending, then I do day rate of 2 guys, 8 hours including dumping for $850/day unless I read the customer and figure he's good for $795

oh, I have an hourly rate in my head and the expected man hours, but I don't discuss it with the customer unless I just can't see the ending time-(nightmare scenario), then I do it just so i don't get screwed and make at least XX

I hope I understand your thinking
So if do a job You are thinking going take you 10 hrs to do only takes 5 hrs you still charge for 10 hrs

Agape
05-08-2011, 02:28 AM
I hope I understand your thinking
So if do a job You are thinking going take you 10 hrs to do only takes 5 hrs you still charge for 10 hrs

no

I don't charge hrs. but I've done lawns twice the size of his front for $150 even though it only may have taken me an hour or less.

I'm saying sometimes I've bid jobs thinking they would take 6 hours, but they only ended up taking 4.

I'm saying that if you have an excavation company and someone wants an hour of work at $80/hr, but it takes you 160 to lowboy the excavator to and from the site, you would be a fool to charge 80. there has to be a minimum charge for your service.

I'm saying stay away from hourly rates that people who think they're smarter than you don't make. because they don't understand the cost of doing business- even if you're only charging $35/hr it scares people off, "you're only mowing!!".

I'm saying charge what it's worth

I'm saying people who would NEVER pay you $50/hr would pay you $75 for a 1X mowing that takes you a hour and you deserve it because you invested a lot to be able to do it in that time.

No, I'm not saying charge for 10 hours when you only worked 5, that is dishonest.
I'm saying 5 hours from you is worth a lot more( or gets a lot more done) than 5 hours from them or their kids.

Agape
05-08-2011, 02:35 AM
I wasn't asking.

Or I should say, I wasn't expecting an answer.

What I was doing is pointing out that no matter the equipment you use, the price is the same.

And the reason for that is because certain folks keep talking about using such-and-such price equipment...
As IF it made a difference.

It makes absolutely NO difference what you are using!
So why mention it?

But maybe I can use that $425 / day labor rate.

you are on a different page in a different book.
sure you can use it, but why are you worth $50/hr? you can't convince anyone that you know what you're talking about. you should by your own standards, charge less if you use pro equipment.

Agape
05-08-2011, 02:40 AM
I hope I understand your thinking
So if do a job You are thinking going take you 10 hrs to do only takes 5 hrs you still charge for 10 hrs

I re-reviewed the post you quoted and can't find anything to indicate that I thought you should charge 10 hours for 5 hours of work?????????:confused:

Snyder's Lawn Inc
05-08-2011, 10:32 PM
no

I don't charge hrs. but I've done lawns twice the size of his front for $150 even though it only may have taken me an hour or less.

I'm saying sometimes I've bid jobs thinking they would take 6 hours, but they only ended up taking 4.

I'm saying that if you have an excavation company and someone wants an hour of work at $80/hr, but it takes you 160 to lowboy the excavator to and from the site, you would be a fool to charge 80. there has to be a minimum charge for your service.

I'm saying stay away from hourly rates that people who think they're smarter than you don't make. because they don't understand the cost of doing business- even if you're only charging $35/hr it scares people off, "you're only mowing!!".

I'm saying charge what it's worth

I'm saying people who would NEVER pay you $50/hr would pay you $75 for a 1X mowing that takes you a hour and you deserve it because you invested a lot to be able to do it in that time.

No, I'm not saying charge for 10 hours when you only worked 5, that is dishonest.
I'm saying 5 hours from you is worth a lot more( or gets a lot more done) than 5 hours from them or their kids.

Well I run a hourly rate for yrs with no problems
What ever Customer wants hourly or set price
99% of my Lawns I mow are set price but do have one thats hourly rate reason why is we dont mow same amount of grass each week so to be fair set as a hourly rate
I run hourly rate on my Skidloader with min of 3 hrs

KINGMADE
05-08-2011, 10:50 PM
I would have run my 36 inch wb then used a snapper high vac to pick up the clippings. Still would have taken a while. I completely understand not putting a 1200 dollar push mower in an unknown backyard with no idea of what was in it.