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bigbrave
05-19-2011, 08:33 PM
Hey guys,

I was wondering with the economy so bad down in FL, is the lawn care business good?

Florida Gardener
05-19-2011, 08:55 PM
Terrible man, I'm cutting yards for $10
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Johnagain
05-19-2011, 09:52 PM
10 others will do it for $9. That's what it's like in Florida.

Keith
05-19-2011, 10:24 PM
Well, I am doing quite a few for the same price I was getting for similar stuff in the late 90s. Sounds bad until you realize people are out there cutting for mid-1980's prices. That ain't no joke. I see people willing to cut yards for $10-15 or $50-60 a month if they are year round. My first ever year-round customer was $60 a month in 1986. I actually still have that yard and get $135 a month for it now. I'm sure if she wanted to, she could find someone within a day who would do it for $60.

Ric
05-20-2011, 12:31 AM
Hey guys,

I was wondering with the economy so bad down in FL, is the lawn care business good?

BigBrave

Our new Governor (Rick Scott) has promised to make Florida a small business friendly state and he has. Yep He has regulated the Hell out of us and increased the cost of trying to be 100 % legal. Of course those who don't have business licenses can get away with murder. The state is so busy regulating the honest guys they don't have time to go after the illegal Fly by nights.

I didn't realize when I voted for him, he was talking about being friendly to small illegal business.

BTW There are actually more Grass cutter than Grass to be cut. Every out of work fool is a grass cutter with 400 years experience.

greendoctor
05-20-2011, 03:39 AM
What is with Florida and all of the police state types running around there? I have never trusted anyone promising to be business friendly. They usually mean corporate friendly and or illegal friendly. I was following the fertilizer bill thread. Will the granola eater realize their mistake after they find massive amounts of soil eroding into the water ways? Soil runoff is the largest source of phosphate pollution. Unless actual fertilizer granules are being washed into water ways, the largest source is soil. There are some things Hawaii got right. Soil runoff is strictly regulated. The legislature did not go after fertilizers. In fact, the current regulations call for exposed soil to be covered with................grass.

Ric
05-20-2011, 10:07 AM
What is with Florida and all of the police state types running around there? I have never trusted anyone promising to be business friendly. They usually mean corporate friendly and or illegal friendly. I was following the fertilizer bill thread. Will the granola eater realize their mistake after they find massive amounts of soil eroding into the water ways? Soil runoff is the largest source of phosphate pollution. Unless actual fertilizer granules are being washed into water ways, the largest source is soil. There are some things Hawaii got right. Soil runoff is strictly regulated. The legislature did not go after fertilizers. In fact, the current regulations call for exposed soil to be covered with................grass.

Green

Retirement and growth were so much a part of Florida's economy that without it the tax base is lost. Impact fees were the taxes, now it is Fines. Enforcement is way up as are fines. A local small town near me has such a bad reputation many people refuse to go there in fear of a ticket. But Government has always made Small Business people lairs and cheats. If most didn't scarf off some unreported income etc etc they would go under.

I decided to grow my business so I can Hire some young blood to do the heavier treatments for me. I am Spending some money on several forms of Advertisement. So far all my current growth is from networking and not a call from any advertisement. But then There is so many advertising that mine gets lost in the shuffle.

BCL Services
05-20-2011, 05:28 PM
Rick Scott is making enemies everywhere, i will be shocked if he ends up finishing out his term. I still can't believe he got elected.

williams lcm
05-20-2011, 05:36 PM
You have to do everything besides mow and blow. They want shrubs trimmed, weed control and dont want to pay anything. Good thing I have the customer I have. Starting a lawn sevice these days will be tough. Alot of hacks out trying to get work. What else to they got to do. Unempolyment is high

Ric
05-20-2011, 07:56 PM
Rick Scott is making enemies everywhere, i will be shocked if he ends up finishing out his term. I still can't believe he got elected.

BCL

Why isn't Rick Scott in Jail is the question. He stole millions from Medicare and got caught. His campaign for governor even admitted his company was stealing. I guess the public wanted an honest crook who admits he steals.

carlspano
05-21-2011, 12:35 AM
Yes, it's tough right now for sure. I've actually been bidding on the bigger commercial jobs and then partnering up with a couple of others to knock them out. Another thing I've done is get into more cleanup jobs and sod replacement.

Just got to adjust a little and be flexible.

zturncutter
05-21-2011, 09:20 AM
Yes, it's tough right now for sure. I've actually been bidding on the bigger commercial jobs and then partnering up with a couple of others to knock them out. Another thing I've done is get into more cleanup jobs and sod replacement.

Just got to adjust a little and be flexible.

Exactly, think outside the box and be flexible :usflag:

Ric
05-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Exactly, think outside the box and be flexible :usflag:

I have been trying to find ""Niche Markets"" all my life. Find that area that no one else wants or realizes is there and you can get rich or make a nice living. I fell into one such Niche Market this last year and while not Huge it has provided some nice extra income.

However in searching for Niche Markets I have found a Lot of NEED but very Little DEMAND. Let me Explain the Need/Demand thing. The average industrial area will have multiply Equipment Storage yards with Knee high weeds growing on the Equipment. There is NEED for weed control but no DEMAND or willingness to pay for it.

Whether that Niche Market id Gutter Cleaning or Chimney Sweeping, etc the trick is to be first and Best in that Market Area. Of course to find the Demand and not the Need is key.


SIDE NOTE ABOUT PRICING AND NEW BUSINESS.

While I have not lowered prices per say, I have not raised prices either. I have in fact lowered my Profit Margin because I have not raised prices in light of raising costs. But my total volume is up as is my bottom line. My one time one man band part time attitude has changed. I am now trying to grow my business so I can hire one or two a full time guys. But Networking still remains my best source of New Business.

yamadooski
05-22-2011, 11:31 AM
I have been thinking outside the box for the last 15 years. This is what seperates the true business person apart from the joe blow that does this for
extra income.
If you do a search for all of my posts you will see how much I make and what is my crew consist of....myself, one employee, and my wife.

Well that has gone down a bit because of the economy. I have put a fuel charge on all my customers lawn main. accts.
For all extra work there is fuel charge also.
You guys tell me why we are the only ones that cant raise our prices.
This industry is the dumbest bunch of people I have ever seen in any proffesion.
One example a can of campbells soup at Pulix 2 years ago was 65 cents.
Now it is 1.50.
I had a customer tell me his project budget was $2,500. I told him right off the bat that 200 was for labor 250 was fuel and 100 for misc stuff.
he got the picture and raised his budget another 2,000. Hence we did a great job and he is happy.

Now onto the Market Niche. There is something going on in Fort lauderdale that no one is doing in Tampa.
This company makes 8,000 to 15,000 a day profit.
This has nothing to do with any lawn or landscape or fertilization. Thank God or that profit margin would drop to $400. a day.
My wife will be hiring an office manager and she will have our new business up and going by the end of July.
Nice thing about what we are doing is you have to be certified by the EPA.
Being affiliated with the government makes me want to vomit though.

But when someone comes in if for a price quote and they complain I can tell them you can go somewheres else like 3,000 miles away is the next nearest location or go to Miami where the price is the same as us.
Capitalism is Boss and its really to bad that the Lawn and landscape industry has not figured that out yet.....DAHHHHHH

tallrick
05-23-2011, 06:01 PM
It really amazes me. I pick up so many flyers left at my rental properties and have had lawn guys offer to cut my grass for 15.00! I ask them how they can clear a profit at those prices. All my friends with rental properties use lawn guys, but I think that is why they lose air conditioners, carports and copper pipes. One of the investors I converted from immigrant lawn service to a friend's lawn company. Costs more but at least they show up on time and he has not lost any more property.

Last week and this I took over for a friend's business while he is in the hospital from a car accident. Hit and run refugee driver totalled his car but crashed shortly after into a tree. Both of his employees have no driver's license so he asked me to drive the truck and skid steer to the lot and home cleanups. I know he does not earn a huge sum either, after expenses because I was the one who recovered his database from a hard drive crash/raid controller failure. This lawn/ landscape business is competitive and low margin unless you can get into a Government sponsored niche with little competition. Since I never buy, but make fuel for my own equipment it was an eye opener driving his truck and filling up with fuel. I really have enjoyed my last week and will continue to help till my friend is back on his feet.

rob7233
05-23-2011, 10:23 PM
Since I never buy, but make fuel for my own equipment it was an eye opener driving his truck and filling up with fuel.


Okay, I'm real curious now. Tell us more !!

Patriot Services
05-23-2011, 10:51 PM
Begging for Mickey D grease and a still I'll wager.
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tallrick
05-23-2011, 11:41 PM
Begging for Mickey D grease and a still I'll wager.
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Yes, chinese and middle eastern restaurants, plastic waste, elephant grass, spoiled fruit and wood chips. Got a mini-refinery and still. Palm berries work too!

Patriot Services
05-27-2011, 06:43 PM
Thank you Governor Scott. Basically the state of Florida has been sold for 350 mil. That's what the ahole cut from the budget for conservation lands. This state reminds me more on NY every day.
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Ric
05-27-2011, 08:07 PM
Thank you Governor Scott. Basically the state of Florida has been sold for 350 mil. That's what the ahole cut from the budget for conservation lands. This state reminds me more on NY every day.
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Did you see the Commissioner of Education quit because Scott cut his budget real heavy????

zturncutter
05-27-2011, 08:35 PM
Closing the Juvenile justice center here, only 12 mil a year that will not be going into the local economy. Three of my customers work there including the director and a pharmacist. At present no working plan on where to place the kids, but closing in 30 days.:hammerhead:

Patriot Services
05-27-2011, 08:42 PM
Where are the jobs he is supposed to be CREATING? The monkey with the red pen will be my range target this weekend. And on the eve of Memorial Day weekend let's cut 12 mil from homeless vets. One slap in the face after another.
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MR-G
05-27-2011, 09:24 PM
when i started it was the mid 80s...the economy was bad then....rates on a new truck were 18% or more....and there was a lawn guy on every corner.....no different than today....the hacks and bottom feeders have always been there and always will be....the trick is to separate yourself from them....there will ALWAYS be clients who dont want to deal on just price.....i have NEVER lowered a price to beat out another LCO ever....

Ric
05-28-2011, 09:43 AM
when i started it was the mid 80s...the economy was bad then....rates on a new truck were 18% or more....and there was a lawn guy on every corner.....no different than today....the hacks and bottom feeders have always been there and always will be....the trick is to separate yourself from them....there will ALWAYS be clients who dont want to deal on just price.....i have NEVER lowered a price to beat out another LCO ever....

Mr G

My business is actually increasing so I might not have a right to B1tch. But the difference from the slow down of the 1980's was the state wasn't totally broke like it is today.

Florida payroll taxes only takes a small 2.7% for unemployed tax, no other income tax. Property tax is not too bad and Hotel Bed Tax and a few other minor taxes is all the income Florida has except IMPACT FEE on new construction. Impact Fee has been huge because of the Building boom for many many years here in Florida. Building is now starting back up after several years of no building, but very little building is going on.

This leads me to my main point NO TAXES NO SERVICE. Several years ago a local county Fire Dept chief came on TV news and admitted he didn't response to a house fire and let the house burn to the ground because they had cut his budget etc etc.

Texas, Nevada and Florida are the last 3 states with no income tax. Florida needs a source of income if it is to provide services. I am not a fan of Rick Scott and feel he is doing many things wrong. But without money he has two choices. Either Tax or cut spending. I feel he has taken the wrong approach and should of Taxed. In the mean time the Inmates at these Juvenile institutions will be declared reformed and send back on the street where they will use their training from other inmates to steal even more until they get caught and send to the big house. But on a more pragmatic note they would end up in the big house any way.

Landscape Poet
05-30-2011, 10:14 PM
Did you see the Commissioner of Education quit because Scott cut his budget real heavy????

This is no different than what has been happening across the Country. Everyone wants to scream american exceptionalism during their campaigns - tell everyone how great we are, but have they ever looked at our falling rank in terms of education in the world. It is kind of hard to compete in the global economy of today when your workforce is not as educated.

Speaking of education - wasn't the lottery going to go to nothing but education? Funny how they never mentioned that since they had this income they were going to cut all other funding!

If they do not figure out that education is key american exceptionalism will just be a saying of the past.

Landscape Poet
05-30-2011, 10:24 PM
Where are the jobs he is supposed to be CREATING? The monkey with the red pen will be my range target this weekend. And on the eve of Memorial Day weekend let's cut 12 mil from homeless vets. One slap in the face after another.
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Not sure if you guys can pull 104.1 FM over there or not - but a local show on that channel service marked Scott's campaign sloggan of "lets get to work" since he failed to. They called him up and challenged him to a challenge to see if they (radio station) could get more people to work than Scott could in 30 days. If they (radio station) won - they keep his slogan - if Scott won he would get it back with the federal and state service marks - Scott was not interested in taking the challenge. The radio station show had a job fair - for thirty days stopped the show anytime anyone had a job opening and would call in wanting to share. Needless to say Scott will not be using that slogan anytime soon as they clearly put more people to work.

Scott lost us enough jobs with the high speed rail money he would not take for the Federal Govt. That is something I was upset about as I would of loved having high speed rail to get to your area vs congested 4 and if you have ever driven here in Orlando - you surely know that their was not a need for high speed rail as our roadways are clear and congestion free;);)

Ric
05-31-2011, 09:37 AM
This is no different than what has been happening across the Country. Everyone wants to scream american exceptionalism during their campaigns - tell everyone how great we are, but have they ever looked at our falling rank in terms of education in the world. It is kind of hard to compete in the global economy of today when your workforce is not as educated.

Speaking of education - wasn't the lottery going to go to nothing but education? Funny how they never mentioned that since they had this income they were going to cut all other funding!

If they do not figure out that education is key american exceptionalism will just be a saying of the past.


I am thinking it was 1987 we voted to legalize Lotto with the understanding all profit was to SUPPLEMENT education in Florida. Not be it's only source of income. Here we were (I was) hoping Florida was going to be another Center of Education like say Boston.

Now the one real sad note is the State actually tried to educate the Green Industry. There were many county Vocational schools that offered Horticulture training. I took a one year course in Nursery Management at our local Voc Tec. But the SAD NOTE IS THEY CLOSED THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE OF LACK OF INTEREST. To few people took advantage of these programs. Both the Voc Tec course and the Assoc in Golf Course Management Courses I took, are no longer available.

Landscape Poet
05-31-2011, 11:15 PM
Now the one real sad note is the State actually tried to educate the Green Industry. There were many county Vocational schools that offered Horticulture training. I took a one year course in Nursery Management at our local Voc Tec. But the SAD NOTE IS THEY CLOSED THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE OF LACK OF INTEREST. To few people took advantage of these programs. Both the Voc Tec course and the Assoc in Golf Course Management Courses I took, are no longer available.

Could it of been the times they were offering the courses Ric? I can always find something that interest me but it seems like often if it is a county extension program or a college program, it does not work realistically with the hours us poor lawn boys work during active growing season.

I would think to really reach the most people most of the country extension courses would be offered during the winter months but that does not seem to be the case.

In regards to the Lotto - that was the way it was in many states. It was suppose to be supplemental to the budget already in place but that is not what happened of course. I am serious about that comment - how will we ever be the Country that is always number 1 when our people are not given the same educational opportunities that other nations offer because of budget cuts? You and I know that their is enough waste that there is money to afford to meet educational needs. Cut Farm and Oil subsidies alone and we are there.

Ric
06-01-2011, 10:16 AM
Mikey

There are no student loans in communist countries, Their Colleges and vocational schools are free. But only to those top students who study and are competitive. A country's youth are it's future and Education is key. We are on the same page as to the need for quality education at affordable prices.

As for offering course times. Edison College offered Golf Course Management as a Night School because most of the students were working on a golf course. The Dept Head even added residential course to the program to draw in more students. I admit the Voc Tec was day classes only and they only offered it as a full time program. It was just like going back to high school in many ways. U of F had some night classes but most were day classes. I started in theVoc Tec program taking a night school class on Plant ID and got hooked on going back to school. But Even the night class were very poorly attended. The Voc Tec had a wonderful Video Library and I spend many nights in front of a TV monitor. I am still friend with the Instructor and he is still my go to guy. BTW I only took Golf Corse Management because it was the only Horticulture course with in driving distances. I don't even know how to play golf.

Of course it is a lot easier to ask WHAT DO I USE?? on the Internet than to actually try and learn something.

bigbrave
06-01-2011, 10:16 AM
What kind of business licenses does FL require for a lawn care business? How has Scott made it worse for you guys down there?

fl-landscapes
06-01-2011, 03:39 PM
Where are the jobs he is supposed to be CREATING? The monkey with the red pen will be my range target this weekend. And on the eve of Memorial Day weekend let's cut 12 mil from homeless vets. One slap in the face after another.
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I understand the things you guys have pointed out are frustrating. BUT give the guy some time to get things done. He cant change things overnight. He is slashing gov. spending, which in my opinion is almost always a good thing. He plans on creating jobs by making it easier for business to do business in florida. He may not directly be looking to help guys like us but by making the state more attractive to big business he puts more people to work and those people have more money and less time to do yard work which is good for us. Also more commercial business come in and we are hired to take care of them. Same as christie in NJ he may have pisssed some people of doing what he has done but he has turned the corner for NJ. The lottery...I actually disagree with the gov being a giant bookie and feeding itself off of the bad habits (encouraging it) no matter what they do with the money. By the way the lottery puts more than 1 billion a year into the education system
http://www.flalottery.com/inet/educationDollarToEducation.do Ric Boston may have some really great higher education universities but the tuition is enormous. FL residents pay a much lower tuition to go to great schools like the U of F