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burnsyscapes
06-02-2011, 03:11 PM
okay so looking to buy a New truck here soon. currently have a 07 Chevy 2500 and cant afford 7-8 mpg any more for a gas truck. especially when im pulling an average of 3500 lbs per day.

wondering what the average is on fords new 2011 diesel or just get a used diesel.

i understand it will be a better truck but looking at the finances part.

any input would be great! no negative though.

pflasch
06-02-2011, 04:37 PM
Check out Ford's SuperDuty site. There are several videos showing the F250 / 350 against the competition... with actual test miles given! You might be very surprised!

http://www.ford.com/2011superduty/

Raymond S.
06-02-2011, 05:45 PM
My F350 6.2 gas averages about 10 in town pulling a 20' trailer w/ 2 ZTR mowers, blowers, trimmers, etc. Friend's 6.7 diesel got about 16 pulling an aluminum snowmobile trailer (open) w/ 4 sleds up North. That's all I have for comparison. You may give the 6.2 gas some thought. You're going to have to drive a long way to pay for the $10k difference in price. Just a thought.
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Raymond S.
06-02-2011, 05:47 PM
Also I got the same 10 mpg pulling a bobcat home on the same 20' trailer from Wisconsin averaging 70 mph. The 6.2 ROCKED with power. These new gas engines don't even compare to Chevy's 6.0 and sure as hell not to the 5.4 of Ford
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topsites
06-02-2011, 08:59 PM
You're missing the forest for the trees, that diesel will make up the fuel
mileage savings in the cost of the maintenance and you won't save a dime.

DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
06-02-2011, 09:29 PM
2010 f350 diesel we are averaging 12.2 mpg not impressed. Our 99 f250. Diesel averages 14.5
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Weekendwrench
06-02-2011, 09:40 PM
Same hear 10 MPG average. Thatís all in town with a ton of starting and stopping while towing. If you snow plow it will be about 5 to 7 MPG. It was almost easier to figure gallons per hour while plowing. Buddy with the new diesel gets 14 to 16 MPG. I personally canít justify the price of a diesel. The new 6.2 has lots of power compared to the old 5.4

burnsyscapes
06-02-2011, 09:53 PM
i know it might not justify it self, but im paying 420 a month on car payment and 500-650 month on gas. if i could double the mpg from 7 to 14 it would save alot. plus itd be a new diesel, instead of a 07 with 75000 miles on it. save maybe up to 200 buks a month would deffinatly help.

gibbonsballer10
06-02-2011, 09:56 PM
buy a 2001 or 2002 ford 7.3 diesel. There the best diesel engines ever built for fuel economy and reliability.

JDiepstra
06-02-2011, 10:02 PM
You're missing the forest for the trees, that diesel will make up the fuel
mileage savings in the cost of the maintenance and you won't save a dime.

What maintenance costs are you talking about? An oil change every 20,000 miles and a $7 fuel filter every 10,000? Yeah wow that really adds up.... pfffft.

grassman177
06-02-2011, 10:04 PM
truth to that statement


i only get 7mpg outta my 350 v10 pulling a loaded up 22fter :( .....but it has lots of power!

same engine but in a 250 with dif gears gets a cool 14mpg!

GravelyGuy
06-02-2011, 10:41 PM
My 2009 F250 5.4 gets 7-8 MPG with my 24' trailer. My 2011 F250 6.7 diesel gets around 12 with the same load.

TNGrassCutter
06-02-2011, 11:12 PM
What maintenance costs are you talking about? An oil change every 20,000 miles and a $7 fuel filter every 10,000? Yeah wow that really adds up.... pfffft.

Dang where do you buy fuel filters?
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Grass Shark
06-02-2011, 11:57 PM
You're missing the forest for the trees, that diesel will make up the fuel
mileage savings in the cost of the maintenance and you won't save a dime.

Senerio: So, if you keep the truck for 200,000 miles from new

The gas truck at 10mpg will burn 20,000 gallons of fuel.
At the low price of $3.50 per gallon is $70,000!!

The diesel truck at 16mpg will burn 12,500 gallons of fuel.
At the always low price of $3.71 per gallon is $46,375!!

So over the course of 200,000 miles you will SAVE AT LEAST $23,625 on fuel alone!!!!

Are you with me?

Now you have to buy another gas truck because its dead!! Thats at least another $30,000, but the guy who bought the diesel is good to go for another 200,000 miles!!

So with a total savings of $53,625
The diesel option is about $9,000 with tax
That leaves you with $44,625 in your pocket
Or if you didn't buy a new truck and want to keep your dead one $14,625

THATS A WHOLE LOT OF MAINTENANCE!!! YOU COULD GET A WHOLE NEW DIESEL ENGINE PUT IN AND STILL SAVE MORE THAN A DIME!!
:hammerhead:

topsites
06-03-2011, 12:23 AM
And what I keep trying to tell you is that a diesel is such a strange beast that the first time that truck doesn't run
the way it's supposed to, you have to take it to a mechanic because you don't know the next thing about diesel engines
and you can't take it to just any mechanic but you have to take it to a specialist who works on these diesel engines and
you don't have to listen to me but I am telling you, for that guy just to look at it and tell you what's wrong, $500!

For example...
Do you know that when your gas engine overheats, you can stop it and rest the engine for a few minutes?
Later you can re-start and the engine will be fine.
Read: If a similar situation happens with your diesel engine, the engine is almost always damaged beyond repair.

If a gasoline engine costs 6 thousand to replace, its diesel counterpart will run closer to 10 thousand.

200,000 miles on one vehicle, y'all ought to get started on your next comedy tour.

buttaluv
06-03-2011, 08:51 AM
I gotta agree Topsites!
I bought a big block recently, give 7 G's for it, I get 9 mpg pulling my 18' trailer loaded with mowers/fert. grass clippings, etc.
I was telling a guy about when I first bought it, he has a dodge diesel dually, flat bed, real work truck...he said oh my are you are an idiot, that things going to suck gas!
I said really, how much did you pay for the motor alone in your truck..(see price I paid for the whole truck) I paid cash, so I have no payment, I put 100.00 a week in my truck, granted it sucks, but it's way cheaper than a payment for a big diesel, then pay a quarter more a gallon for fuel to get 12 mpg...

Raymond S.
06-03-2011, 03:44 PM
Topsites, although I agree on some things, the likelihood of reaching 200k on one vehicle is very good. I have 320k on my 96 7.3 diesel. Use it everyday to pull a trailer. I opted with the gas on my 2011 mainly because of the unknowns of the 6.7 and emission junk. 6.2 is fine for me right now.

Grass Shark, your scenario works well on paper but I think the 16 mpg diesel is optimistic. Although I'd agree that over the life of the truck there is a savings with the diesel but with the new diesels of today I'd say it's too early to say just what kind of lifespan we're going to see and how much maintenance these engines are going to require. I think we can all agree that there will never be another 7.3 in terms of reliability. I guess it's a trade we have to make for the power and emission demands of today's market.
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fatguy28
06-03-2011, 04:13 PM
true diesel's do run allot longer than gas but over 200,000miles the diesel runs great but the rest of the truck is falling apart just like the gas truck*trucewhiteflag*

ATLandcare
06-03-2011, 07:39 PM
I can't speak for the 2011 F-350's, but my 1999.5 7.3 liter 4wd, 4-door, lifted,F-350 gets 16mpg in North Georgia with a lead foot. I never fall below 12 with a reasonable load unless I have something heavy like 10,000lbs behind me, but I generally average 14 with a trailer. My DIESEL truck has 261,xxx miles on it and has only ever needed the water pump replaced at 198,xxx miles. I'm thankful I don't have a gas truck, because If I did I'd be having to buy a new truck in a tough economy.

topsites
06-03-2011, 09:09 PM
Topsites, although I agree on some things, the likelihood of reaching 200k on one vehicle is very good. I have 320k on my 96 7.3 diesel. Use it everyday to pull a trailer. I opted with the gas on my 2011 mainly because of the unknowns of the 6.7 and emission junk. 6.2 is fine for me right now.

All right, I won't disagree that I've seen some folks drive a vehicle for as long as you claim,
and some probably even longer but I would at least like to say that it's not for everybody.

Take me for example, I can put 50, 70, 80 maybe 100,000 on a vehicle but beyond that it just doesn't do it for me.

Why, I don't know, just something about it crapping out beyond a certain point it pisses me off so bad I have to get something else...
And most folks who buy new, same thing, they trade it in with hardly 50,000 on the odo.
Granted I buy used, but the point I am making is apparently most folks don't drive the same vehicle that long.
5, 10, 12, 14, 15 years, it varies from one guy to the next, I can admit that everyone is different but on that same note
I firmly believe that most folks can't get 200k out of one vehicle, mostly because it just doesn't do it for them.

On another note...
The part I was having trouble swallowing is how spending $40,000 is somehow "saves" money? :p
You know what I mean?

You could keep the gasser and the 40 g's and just pay more for fuel for the time being?
That was what my whole argument was about lol

soloscaperman
06-03-2011, 09:17 PM
I agree with topsites. Don't Let a few MPG trick you. Diesel is a it or miss. Something goes wrong get ready to bend over and the downtime will be longer as well. I have a 94 5.7 TBI 230K miles on the original engine. Sure it only gets 5-8 MPG towing but the parts are always in stock at your local parts store, there very cheap, and the truck is very very reliable. I only have gone through a fuel pump which finally went at 202K miles and took me 2 hours to install with my buddy and the fuel pump was cheap maybe around $200. There will always be a trade off with any vehicle.

Raymond S.
06-03-2011, 09:22 PM
I agree. My 96 is a rarity for me. My 2011 will probably be gone after 5 yrs. Typically I'm a 100k mile or less guy. I think the value is often found in the 2nd or 3rd generation owners of the vehicle.
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burnsyscapes
06-03-2011, 09:37 PM
but heres also how i am looking at it. in only 20. 85% of my business is in the neighborhood i live in, to spend 500-600 a month on gas only traveling a total of 10 miles out of the neighborhood everyday to work. Get a diesel now, save money in gas up front, no sense for me paying for an extra 300-400 buks a month only gas alone. as i get older and be able to do bigger things i wont have to find ways, go threw the process of getting a truck then when i need it, rather than now.

i spend about 1350 now a month on truck payment, gas, and insurance why pay that when i could pay 1000? thats an extra 4200 a year that can be spend on new equipment, my daughter, or even just saving it

Showpropserv
06-03-2011, 09:37 PM
[QUOTE=topsites;4050335]And what I keep trying to tell you is that a diesel is such a strange beast that the first time that truck doesn't run
the way it's supposed to, you have to take it to a mechanic because you don't know the next thing about diesel engines
and you can't take it to just any mechanic but you have to take it to a specialist who works on these diesel engines and
you don't have to listen to me but I am telling you, for that guy just to look at it and tell you what's wrong, $500!
QUOTE]

Just change the spark plugs duh its not that hard:drinkup:

Grass Shark
06-08-2011, 01:39 AM
And what I keep trying to tell you is that a diesel is such a strange beast that the first time that truck doesn't run
the way it's supposed to, you have to take it to a mechanic because you don't know the next thing about diesel engines
and you can't take it to just any mechanic but you have to take it to a specialist who works on these diesel engines and
you don't have to listen to me but I am telling you, for that guy just to look at it and tell you what's wrong, $500!

For example...
Do you know that when your gas engine overheats, you can stop it and rest the engine for a few minutes?
Later you can re-start and the engine will be fine.
Read: If a similar situation happens with your diesel engine, the engine is almost always damaged beyond repair.

If a gasoline engine costs 6 thousand to replace, its diesel counterpart will run closer to 10 thousand.

200,000 miles on one vehicle, y'all ought to get started on your next comedy tour.

Do you know that when a gas motor overheats 90% of the time you will cook a head gasket?
222,000 miles and I plan on keeping her for another 100,000, she will go to 400,000 no doubt in my mind.
So if the diesel motor last 2 times as long as the gas motor I will be saving $6000 because I will not be replacing an engine at all.


Topsites, although I agree on some things, the likelihood of reaching 200k on one vehicle is very good. I have 320k on my 96 7.3 diesel. Use it everyday to pull a trailer. I opted with the gas on my 2011 mainly because of the unknowns of the 6.7 and emission junk. 6.2 is fine for me right now.

Grass Shark, your scenario works well on paper but I think the 16 mpg diesel is optimistic. Although I'd agree that over the life of the truck there is a savings with the diesel but with the new diesels of today I'd say it's too early to say just what kind of lifespan we're going to see and how much maintenance these engines are going to require. I think we can all agree that there will never be another 7.3 in terms of reliability. I guess it's a trade we have to make for the power and emission demands of today's market.
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We are getting 19mpg unloaded and 16-17mpg pulling a 16ft enclosed with two Z's, a walk behind and hand helds. 1999 F250 7.3 with 6 SPEED MANUAL, just getting broken in at 220,000 miles

I was talking to a guy who pulls heavy equipment with a 2011 6.7PSD and... sit down for this.... 23mpg!!! TOWING I did not believe him and googled it, now I believe him.

Good luck to the guys that have more power, are saving money and getting 7mpg with thier gassers.

You can teach a man to fish.......:hammerhead:

topsites
06-08-2011, 05:52 AM
You want to save money get LRR tires.
That's all, done arguing.

Do you know that when a gas motor overheats 90% of the time you will cook a head gasket?

Whatever.
Done arguing.

dboyd351
06-08-2011, 10:26 PM
I think there's little doubt diesel trucks get better mileage when pulling a load. A boat forum I subscribe to asked owners about their fuel economy with trucks pulling boats. Many diesel truck owners got around 16-17 MPG when towing their rigs, while trucks with gas engines usually got 9-12 mpg pulling a similar rig. Cummins diesels in particular were reported to get good economy. The question then becomes whether the improved fuel economy offsets the higher initial cost and possibly higher maintenance of a diesel.

As for Topsites statement about not getting 200K out of a truck, my 93 GMC 5.7L gas Sierra 1500 4X4 has 216,000 with no sign of letting up. Sure it only gets 13 mpg without a load, but I got it for $2300 4 years ago, so it costs me next to nothing to drive, except for fuel. No payments. Insurance and taxes are very low, and I think I can even get antique plates in 2 years and skip the vehicle taxes! There's more than one way to skin a cat.

topsites
06-08-2011, 10:46 PM
As for Topsites statement about not getting 200K out of a truck, my 93 GMC 5.7L gas Sierra 1500 4X4 has 216,000 with no sign of letting up. Sure it only gets 13 mpg without a load, but I got it for $2300 4 years ago, so it costs me next to nothing to drive, except for fuel. No payments. Insurance and taxes are very low, and I think I can even get antique plates in 2 years and skip the vehicle taxes! There's more than one way to skin a cat.

We're talking from 0 to 200,000 in the same truck!
Not buy it 4 years ago with however many miles already on it... :dizzy:

And no, you can't legally put antique plates on a vehicle that's still being used either daily or for work.
Antique plates are legally reserved for "show" cars or vehicles that are being restored and cars and such, not daily drivers, not work vehicles,
and not just because it's old, anyone using antique plates otherwise than their legal intended purpose is breaking the law!

Raymond S.
06-09-2011, 05:51 AM
Your buddy telling you he gets 23 mpg towing is lying...simple as that. I rode with a guy to the UP of Michigan in a 6.7 pulling 4 snowmobiles in an open aluminum snowmobile and we got 16mpg, no bs. I've had a '00 7.3 and yeah you can get 19 if you're doing 65 on the highway but never got 16-17 especially not in town. Truthfully you're probably closer to 12 pulling that trailer in town and 15ish on the highway. People claim all kinds of numbers to try and justify why they bought a diesel, which is fine. I had a guy pull a 32' flatbed trailer with a 16' gooseneck on top of it up from Kentucky with an 03 Cummins. Big exhaust comes howlin up the drive and naturally I gotta ask, and it never fails Dodge boys are the worst. So I ask "what did you get for mileage on the way up?" ...so are you ready fir this? In my best outback hillbilly sister luvin accent " 'bout 26...she'll gimme 'bout 32 goin home.". Really, pulling no less than 10k lbs? It's Like standin in the locker room after gym class with your buddies and measuring up. Just cause you only use the last 3" of the ruler doesn't make it 12". You can say what you want but it doesn't make it true.
More power?yes. Better mileage?yes. More costly repairs?yes. A wise decision with TODAY's diesels?maybe not.



We are getting 19mpg unloaded and 16-17mpg pulling a 16ft enclosed with two Z's, a walk behind and hand helds. 1999 F250 7.3 with 6 SPEED MANUAL, just getting broken in at 220,000 miles

I was talking to a guy who pulls heavy equipment with a 2011 6.7PSD and... sit down for this.... 23mpg!!! TOWING I did not believe him and googled it, now I believe him.

Good luck to the guys that have more power, are saving money and getting 7mpg with thier gassers.

You can teach a man to fish.......:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
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AI Inc
06-09-2011, 05:57 AM
true diesel's do run allot longer than gas but over 200,000miles the diesel runs great but the rest of the truck is falling apart just like the gas truck*trucewhiteflag*

Thats the way I see it.

Guzzo856
06-09-2011, 08:09 AM
hauling a mid size skid steer i avg about 16mpg. Without pulling i avg 22 on the highway. this winter i will be straight pipeing it so i will expect about 25- 26 mpg. This is with the 6.7 diesel

Lordtimothy
06-09-2011, 10:32 AM
Diesels are very much a hit or miss. Company truck was '05 F-350 with 100k miles then the computer went out of it.............$2.5k by the time it got out of the shop then less than a month later the Turbo cooler went out and dropped another $2 plus K. Sometimes the stars align and they work perfectly but if they don't prepare to really pay.

BestImpressions99
06-09-2011, 11:24 AM
You aren't going to be able to doo much with MPG with that Chevy Burny. Guy at my church get 7 no matter what. Pulling a 25 foot camper or shuffling in town. He always got around 7. Drop the Chevy like a bad habit and pick up SOMETHING different. Actually when I was looking for a truck I talked to my mechanic and he said that the midsized trucks (Tacoma, Ranger, Frontier etc.) will pull 3500lbs all day long. Something to consider.

I'm sure if you got a Frontier or Tacoma 4x4 the numbers will be bigger. Actually, I own an 07 Pathfinder (just a Frontier with rear seats) and it will pull 6,000. Just something to think about. Save you a little money and get decent (not Toyota Echo type) MPG's.

Tofutti
06-09-2011, 04:15 PM
I completely agree that everything is hit or miss... I've got an '88 Chevy silverado half-ton POS (reg cab, 8' bed 2wd) with a 5.0 and TH 400 tranny. Had this truck since '97. Got it at 116k miles. Currently has 364k. Original engine save for water pump and oil pump. Never been rebuilt. Nothing but filters and fluid changed in tranny. Gets 9MPG loaded with just under a cord of firewood. (lol you should see it squat.) Gets 9 mpg completely empty.

Everything is hit or miss.

siberslug
06-10-2011, 08:58 PM
okay so looking to buy a New truck here soon. currently have a 07 Chevy 2500 and cant afford 7-8 mpg any more for a gas truck. especially when im pulling an average of 3500 lbs per day.

wondering what the average is on fords new 2011 diesel or just get a used diesel.

i understand it will be a better truck but looking at the finances part.

any input would be great! no negative though.

Why do you need a F250/350 it's only 3500 pounds

You can pull 5900 pound with a Ford Ranger with the 3.55 axle and get 18 MPG while pulling and that is a city/hwy mix

Or pull up to 3500 with a Ford Escape v6 and get 22 MPG city/hwy mix

but of course it depends on how your trailer is setup and how you drive but that what I got.

burnsyscapes
06-10-2011, 09:40 PM
yes. but its only 3500 pounds for now. why go threw the same process next year getting something bigger then? go threw it once.

siberslug
06-10-2011, 09:54 PM
yes. but its only 3500 pounds for now. why go threw the same process next year getting something bigger then? go threw it once.
The Ranger can do 60% more than you currently need and if you want more The F150 with the Ecoboost V6 can pull 11,300, I only test drove one so I don't know what it does while towing but I avg 19 MPG city/hwy.

grass catcher
06-10-2011, 10:13 PM
I have a 2002 f 250 auto 7'3 10 to 12 mpg at best not sure empty always pulling a trailer bought a 06 f 150 5 spd v6 4.2 maybe 14 at best 20
mpg w out trailer

siberslug
06-10-2011, 10:25 PM
I have a 2002 f 250 auto 7'3 10 to 12 mpg at best not sure empty always pulling a trailer bought a 06 f 150 5 spd v6 4.2 maybe 14 at best 20
mpg w out trailer
The Ecoboost v6 is a bit of a different beast :weightlifter:
When you want power press on the gas and you will have 420 pounds of torque at 2500 RPMS:dizzy::dizzy: :cool2: and back off the throttle and you get great MPG for a big truck.
Test drive one with a tow package and take it home and put your trailer on it and see how it does :D That what I did with my Escape when I test drove it.

dboyd351
06-11-2011, 06:29 AM
The Ecoboost v6 is a bit of a different beast :weightlifter:
When you want power press on the gas and you will have 420 pounds of torque at 2500 RPMS:dizzy::dizzy: :cool2: and back off the throttle and you get great MPG for a big truck.
Test drive one with a tow package and take it home and put your trailer on it and see how it does :D That what I did with my Escape when I test drove it.

The test drive with your own trailer hooked up is a VERY good idea!Thumbs Up

siberslug
06-13-2011, 02:54 PM
The test drive with your own trailer hooked up is a VERY good idea!Thumbs Up
:) Thanks