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HenryB
06-09-2011, 07:32 PM
Title says it all and will they be the standard in the future for ZTR's instead of seperate pump and wheel motors? I've got about 400hrs on the Hydrogear 3400 tranny(Bobcat Fastcat Pro) and not a hiccup guys actually prefer it to my Lazers and Predater Pros.

retrodog
06-09-2011, 08:00 PM
So far we are loving them, quite a bit better gph on the motors too versus the Parker's. Our best seller this year is a CZt with 3400's, and the outlaw 30hp Briggs with the 5400...
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gravelyman50
06-09-2011, 09:39 PM
only 190 hrs. on my gravely pro turn with the 5400. silky smooth. I will post if i have problems though.

HenryB
06-11-2011, 02:05 PM
Maybe not as many out there as I thought?

ewemule
06-18-2011, 11:33 PM
2011 Pro Turn 260 with ZT 5400. Very nice machine.
Marty:clapping:

BINKY1902
06-19-2011, 12:50 AM
I have the 3400s on my Gravely, very happy with them so far through 250 hrs.

rwaters
06-19-2011, 01:57 AM
Maybe not as many out there as I thought?

I have yet to see any real high hour units out. Only time will tell how these units will hold up... I do not think they will hold up as well as the older pumps and wheel motors.

StanWilhite
06-19-2011, 04:43 AM
So far we are loving them, quite a bit better gph on the motors too versus the Parker's. Our best seller this year is a CZt with 3400's, and the outlaw 30hp Briggs with the 5400...
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Hello Retro, I've never driven any Z's with the integrated set up, what are the differences in the way they "feel" compared to pump/motor set up?
Thanks, Stan

gravelyman50
06-19-2011, 08:42 AM
there really is not much difference in the way they feel. I do believe it takes less effort to push the controls forward and back, and when you go up steep hills and mow steep slopes they do not whine like my separate pumps did. I just turned over 200 hours on my 260 pro turn last week, so it doing good so far, but i usually keep my mowers to the 1500 hour mark, so well see.

retrodog
06-19-2011, 05:16 PM
Hey, they are more responsive and easier to maintain. Transaxle you can drain all fluid, and on pumps they dont recommend draining fluid, so they are truelly serviceable where whites, parkers, and kanzaki pumps are not fully serviceable..... On pumps, it takes more power from the motor to go, on the transaxles, it uses the gears in the granny more than the fluid, so the motor has more continuous power to the blades, and gets better fuel consumption. I also love the internal wet brake on the 5400s, much better. Its gonna be hard for me to go back to Parker's after using the 54s. So far I have 13 mowers with 5400s over 600 hours, and I have 3 with over 400 hours on the 3400s (just started selling 54s last season, and the 34s this year). I have lots with over 200 hours in each. Only issue so far is a new one that leaked, and we replaced it before it was sold.....knock on wood...lol
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SouthSide Cutter
06-19-2011, 10:20 PM
I had a rep tell me the reason they are going that route is its 700 dollars cheaper to build them that way. The jury is still out on them in my book, time will tell.

gravelyman50
06-20-2011, 08:07 AM
I second that the 5400 tranny does not require as much hp to move the machine.. more of the hp is transferred to the mower deck giving you more cutting power.. It seems like my 27 hp kawi is as powerful as a 29, I cannot bog it whatsoever.

kubotafan
06-21-2011, 10:01 PM
Which manufactures are using this new setup?

Ridin' Green
06-21-2011, 11:32 PM
Which manufactures are using this new setup?


Deere isn't using either the 3400 or 5400, but they are using integrated trans units. Theirs are Kansaki's. I don't know who else is using this sytem though other than the ones mentioned above.

flatlander42
06-22-2011, 12:00 AM
My Bigdog has the 3100's. I like them. I don't have many hours on it yet tho...25 so far.

Sackett
06-22-2011, 12:08 AM
My 2, 61" Scag Cheetahs have the 5400's under the 32 horse Vanguards. Seem to perform well so far. I only have 100 hrs on one and 60 hrs on the other so I can't speak for longevity yet. I did just change the hydro oil and filter out and am glad I won't be doing so again this summer with the filters costing $40/each from the dealer! I know it was way early to change the oil, but I don't trust initial fluid in new motors.
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MJB
06-22-2011, 12:41 AM
My 2, 61" Scag Cheetahs have the 5400's under the 32 horse Vanguards. Seem to perform well so far. I only have 100 hrs on one and 60 hrs on the other so I can't speak for longevity yet. I did just change the hydro oil and filter out and am glad I won't be doing so again this summer with the filters costing $40/each from the dealer! I know it was way early to change the oil, but I don't trust initial fluid in new motors.
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Yeeoww, seems a little high. I think I would remember if I paid that much for filters on my Outlaw with the 5400. I'll have to check.

retrodog
06-23-2011, 12:13 AM
$13.99 each for us, I would order off the net next time...
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Sackett
06-23-2011, 12:20 AM
$13.99 each for us, I would order off the net next time...
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Will definitely do so. Which site do you get yours from?

I appreciate it.
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retrodog
06-23-2011, 06:28 PM
Will definitely do so. Which site do you get yours from?

I appreciate it.
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Hey, tell you what man, just pm me when you need more, and I will just ship them to you....$40 is a rip man.... $14 each from me, just holler at me... I am all about supporting your local dealer to keep them alive, but that is freaking nuts

Bilrus61
06-23-2011, 07:26 PM
Hydro Gear says to use 20w-50 moter oil in the 5100. Did you use synthetic or regular stuff? I would like to know the part number for the oil filters. That would be a big help here. Thanks!

retrodog
06-23-2011, 08:49 PM
Bad boy number is 063-1060-00, and the number on the filter is 53023, and the hydro gear part number is 71943 I believe, $12.99 is the retail price.... 20x50 castrol is what we run in them, if they want to pay extra we have amsoil...

MJB
06-23-2011, 11:12 PM
So where does Scag get their filters to justify that big of a mark up ?

retrodog
06-24-2011, 09:53 AM
I am sure they are from hydrogear. Prolly cost the factory 4 bucks or so...
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benjaminesh
06-24-2011, 12:57 PM
I have over 700 hours on a set of ZT2800's they are smaller than the ones posted.

HenryB
05-27-2014, 09:18 PM
My zt 5400's have been perfect for 800hrs. The oil looks like fresh honey

Ijustwantausername
05-27-2014, 10:33 PM
I've had 2 Scag Cheetah's with the ZT-5400's over the course of 2 years. I put close to 600 hours on my first cheetah. Also, it had the clamshell bagging system on it for 2 seasons. I must say even with the heavy weights on it and all, it would still pop a wheelie if I wanted it to. At 500 hours when I changed the oil/filter, the oil did smell a little bad and per the manual that means the pumps are getting to hot. They do all I need them to and more.

DA Quality Lawn & YS
05-28-2014, 12:15 AM
The 5400's on my Pro Turn 260 are nice...but they are power hungry little devils. If you have the throttle open any less than 1/3, hitting the sticks ahead will darn near kill the engine.

scott1974
06-27-2014, 08:47 PM
What kind of hydro filters do you use on the 3400s?

MJB
06-27-2014, 11:16 PM
I get mine from the dealer. They are an internal filter easy to change.

herler
06-28-2014, 03:58 PM
That's all fine and dandy but whatever your mower is set up for, that is what you will be buying / replacing if the day ever comes, there exist little things called manufacturing specifications and basically the mower is built to fit the specification of the unit it was outfitted with... So if your mower has a Parker unit then it has to be replaced with another Parker, most of the time, especially with older Z's.

Granted there is some cross-referencing availability but when it doesn't fit...
At least that's been my experience, I have an older Lesco and the thing has Hydro-Gear pumps with Parker motors...

HenryB
09-23-2014, 06:32 PM
Update on mine highest hour unit has 900hrs and not a hiccup. So far very good.

mowerman90
09-23-2014, 07:15 PM
Funny that this thread popped up today. This morning my left side 3400 went south on my Gravely Pro Turn 160. Had almost 1500 trouble free hours on it. Went to my dealer and bought a new Pro 160 this afternoon.

gravelyman50
09-23-2014, 09:16 PM
Funny that this thread popped up today. This morning my left side 3400 went south on my Gravely Pro Turn 160. Had almost 1500 trouble free hours on it. Went to my dealer and bought a new Pro 160 this afternoon.
I wonder how much they are to replace. I now have 1700 hrs on my pro turn with the 5400s and they still feel good. I am getting nervous though.. does anyone know how much they are to replace?
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mowerman90
09-23-2014, 10:17 PM
Dealer told me about $1000 for each one. I figured that with as many hrs as I had on the machine and my $hitty luck, if I got it replaced then next week the other side would go. That's why I decided on the new machine.

DA Quality Lawn & YS
09-23-2014, 10:34 PM
I have the 5400's on my Gravely PT260. 100 hours. Can't complain. They are a little power hungry though, as they can pull down my 26.5 HP EFI Kohler going up slopes. Not complaining though not a big deal.

mag360
09-24-2014, 10:16 AM
Just replaced a 3400 and boy are they nice compared to pump/motor replacement. No mess, 4 bolts and a belt. Ours lost the ball bearing on the shaft at 5xx hours but was still hydraulically perfect. I'm splitting the case on the old one just to see what it looks like and hopefully replace the $22 bearing.
We have 3200's and 5400's in service too with no issues