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icex
06-11-2011, 01:11 AM
Been on a job for 4 days now laying 400 feet of 6" pipe and catch basins. Hooked in a couple gutters to the pipe too. Lets start..


I ordered 300" pipe at first and figured out my measure diden't work so I had to order another 300".

They said it wouldent fit in my truck..
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Also the homeowner asked me to dig about 4 foot back into his hill.. I had him sign a release of liability.. I don't think it will slide.. do you?

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Getting there...


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Scag48
06-11-2011, 05:42 AM
I would have blended that slope a little better, personally, but as long as the customer is happy that's all that matters. When cutting slope, start at the top and work down. I know that sounds stupid and terribly simple, but I've seen a lot of guys chop out the toe before they establish a consistent slope and once it's gone, it's gone. Also, practice using the heel of your bucket when cutting slope to give it a smooth finish, especially if you don't have a cleanup bucket handy.

icex
06-11-2011, 08:56 AM
I would have blended that slope a little better, personally, but as long as the customer is happy that's all that matters. When cutting slope, start at the top and work down. I know that sounds stupid and terribly simple, but I've seen a lot of guys chop out the toe before they establish a consistent slope and once it's gone, it's gone. Also, practice using the heel of your bucket when cutting slope to give it a smooth finish, especially if you don't have a cleanup bucket handy.

What I am worried about is the possibility of the hill sliding off. Whats the chances of it comming off? I dig probaly 4-5 feet back into the hill side.

AWJ Services
06-11-2011, 11:48 AM
What I am worried about is the possibility of the hill sliding off. Whats the chances of it comming off? I dig probaly 4-5 feet back into the hill side.

Really depends on the soil and water flow. It appears that the slope is man made and native so I doubt that there is much oppurtunity for sliding. It is always advisable to establish ground cover or use some sort of erosion fabric in situations like.

Scag48
06-11-2011, 01:58 PM
What I am worried about is the possibility of the hill sliding off. Whats the chances of it comming off? I dig probaly 4-5 feet back into the hill side.

It looks like it'll hold but it's hard to say from my perspective not knowing your soils and precipitation.

zabmasonry
06-11-2011, 05:41 PM
Been on a job for 4 days now laying 400 feet of 6" pipe and catch basins. Hooked in a couple gutters to the pipe too. Lets start..


I ordered 300" pipe at first and figured out my measure diden't work so I had to order another 300".



What did you do for the other 4200"?

Dirtman2007
06-11-2011, 06:13 PM
I wouldn't worry about that hill, I've seen it before cut alot steeper than that without and problems.
I'd of would of cut a few more feet off the top edge and laid that slope back to atleast a 1:1 and blended it together. throw a roll of matting on it and it'd be fine.

ConstSvcs
06-11-2011, 09:53 PM
I can't decide on the slope............can u post a few more images......:laugh::laugh:

Ok....now seriously ........... how about cutting the top back a bit, loosen the soil on the slope and cheap seed combined with a erosion control mat....

icex
06-12-2011, 01:58 AM
I can't decide on the slope............can u post a few more images......:laugh::laugh:

Ok....now seriously ........... how about cutting the top back a bit, loosen the soil on the slope and cheap seed combined with a erosion control mat....





they are planning on hydro seeding it soon..

93turbo
06-12-2011, 11:34 PM
No offense but couldn't you cut the hill off all on one angle and made it smooth

SiteSolutions
06-12-2011, 11:48 PM
tough crowd :laugh:

minimax
06-13-2011, 12:44 AM
I know you are trying so here are some tips,Take a tape measure and cut slots on a 1 to 1 slope every 6 to 8 feet with the bucket keeping the bottom of the slope slot cut where you need the toe of the finished slope and measure with the tape up a foot in a foot if that is right you have a 1 to 1 slope in your slot cut,once you have your slot cuts in just clean out the middle and heel off the slope you have nice slope.try not to cut with the teeth up and down but at a 45 deg angle with the slope(teeth looking at the machine.Here is a pic of a slope I cut using a 35 size hoe and a dig bucket.
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icex
06-13-2011, 12:44 AM
I know I should of sloped the hill off, he told me to dig it back so I did. After the yard was sloped back and everything I told him to drag it, after saying he liked it he said he dident because of a couple of dirt humps that need dragged down to make the perfect level sloped yard.

I don't know what to do at this point.

AWJ Services
06-13-2011, 11:34 AM
I know I should of sloped the hill off, he told me to dig it back so I did. After the yard was sloped back and everything I told him to drag it, after saying he liked it he said he dident because of a couple of dirt humps that need dragged down to make the perfect level sloped yard.

I don't know what to do at this point.

Welcome to the world of Homeowners.LOL

Is this work outside of your orginal bid?

icex
06-13-2011, 02:25 PM
Welcome to the world of Homeowners.LOL

Is this work outside of your orginal bid?


Let me explain the full job in full details.

I got the call saying that water was comming from their neighbors drainpipe onto their ditch and pooling in the back yard, and then naturaly flowing around the hill onto the next guys yard in a sink hole. We recommended 2 1' pipes comming from a catch basin to catch the water and take it from the bottom of the hill on the start of this guys property through a catch basin onto the next neighbors property into his ditch. Both homeowners agreed on this.

Fast forward to Wensday. Release of liability signed and work begins. Before any drainage work begins the home owner says what can we do with the garbage from the contractor building the house, they were suppose to haul it off and aint and then he told me to burry it so I spent a day picking up his garbage, bricks, blocks, wood and everything else and burrying it.

End of that evening the pipes are laid and had to order the other 300' to finish hooking them up (two 6 inch pipes comming from a catch basin.) We recommend putting a ditch from that catch basin around the property as a just in case measure. He says NO ditch. I said ok, fine.

Thursday we finish hooking up all the pipes and make sure they drain. During the day the guy keeps rushing me saying TIME IS MONEY and asking me what time im going to lunch, what time i started, what time i stop etc. So at the last second he wants a catch basin plumbed from a gutter into the pipe. No problem, we just have to dig the pipe back up in a spot and I have my labors dig it level and put the pipe draining down into the pipe. Works fine.

Friday the guy is leaving town, reachs me a check for $2000 and says if it aint enough let him know. I said okay. We go back saturday from 2-9 and dig off the hill side like he wanted and level it out in the yard. We had some other misc things to do behind the neighbors property or building and the leveling dident get done. Sunday we go and finish leveling and leave. Well last night I go back and both HIM and his wife both say they like it and then turn around and start chewing my ass out because I diden't put a ditch around the property and the property has some humps and lumps. Keep in mind this was all done with a excavator and was pretty much smooth. I told him he needed to get someone with a backhoe and a drag and drag it and it will be nice and neat. He says it will NEVER work and he wanted his yard PERFECTLY leveled to grow grass on and it is going to take him another $3000 to get it leveled. I told him even with a dozer its still going to have a few high spots and humps because thats just how it is with leveling and grading.

The yard looks fine to 7 people that looked at it and said he just doesent want to pay me the rest he owes me.


I'm stuck. Sure he signed a release of liability, but theres no way to get the yard perfect unless he gets out and rakes it and drags it...

AWJ Services
06-13-2011, 07:15 PM
Let me explain the full job in full details.

I got the call saying that water was comming from their neighbors drainpipe onto their ditch and pooling in the back yard, and then naturaly flowing around the hill onto the next guys yard in a sink hole. We recommended 2 1' pipes comming from a catch basin to catch the water and take it from the bottom of the hill on the start of this guys property through a catch basin onto the next neighbors property into his ditch. Both homeowners agreed on this.

Fast forward to Wensday. Release of liability signed and work begins. Before any drainage work begins the home owner says what can we do with the garbage from the contractor building the house, they were suppose to haul it off and aint and then he told me to burry it so I spent a day picking up his garbage, bricks, blocks, wood and everything else and burrying it.

End of that evening the pipes are laid and had to order the other 300' to finish hooking them up (two 6 inch pipes comming from a catch basin.) We recommend putting a ditch from that catch basin around the property as a just in case measure. He says NO ditch. I said ok, fine.

Thursday we finish hooking up all the pipes and make sure they drain. During the day the guy keeps rushing me saying TIME IS MONEY and asking me what time im going to lunch, what time i started, what time i stop etc. So at the last second he wants a catch basin plumbed from a gutter into the pipe. No problem, we just have to dig the pipe back up in a spot and I have my labors dig it level and put the pipe draining down into the pipe. Works fine.

Friday the guy is leaving town, reachs me a check for $2000 and says if it aint enough let him know. I said okay. We go back saturday from 2-9 and dig off the hill side like he wanted and level it out in the yard. We had some other misc things to do behind the neighbors property or building and the leveling dident get done. Sunday we go and finish leveling and leave. Well last night I go back and both HIM and his wife both say they like it and then turn around and start chewing my ass out because I diden't put a ditch around the property and the property has some humps and lumps. Keep in mind this was all done with a excavator and was pretty much smooth. I told him he needed to get someone with a backhoe and a drag and drag it and it will be nice and neat. He says it will NEVER work and he wanted his yard PERFECTLY leveled to grow grass on and it is going to take him another $3000 to get it leveled. I told him even with a dozer its still going to have a few high spots and humps because thats just how it is with leveling and grading.

The yard looks fine to 7 people that looked at it and said he just doesent want to pay me the rest he owes me.


I'm stuck. Sure he signed a release of liability, but theres no way to get the yard perfect unless he gets out and rakes it and drags it...

Was the contract verbal or written?

In Ga if you take a partial payment you are essentially giving him a line of credit which means he can pay you when ever. Not sure of your laws.

Starting out in buisness things like this happen. Obviously the homeowner and you had 2 different ideas of how the job would end up.

Don't get mad about this as it is part of being a buisness owner. Let me know about the contract and I have a few things that might help.

icex
06-13-2011, 08:48 PM
Was the contract verbal or written?

In Ga if you take a partial payment you are essentially giving him a line of credit which means he can pay you when ever. Not sure of your laws.

Starting out in buisness things like this happen. Obviously the homeowner and you had 2 different ideas of how the job would end up.

Don't get mad about this as it is part of being a buisness owner. Let me know about the contract and I have a few things that might help.


The contract for doing the work was verbal. However the release of liability is on paper. I can send you a copy if needed.

AWJ Services
06-13-2011, 09:43 PM
Verbal here in Ga is the same as on paper however there is opportunity for differences of opinions when things are not written down on paper.

I would write out an invoice with all costs and a thorough explanation of why he is getting charged for the things you did. I am talking write a love letter so to speak. Once you have this done present this to the homeowner and explain why you only did what you did and why you felt that these tasks where all that was outlined in your original agreement. Be very direct, confident yet cordial. I often times will send this to the customer first and then arrange a meeting at a later time so that the customer will have time to think about what you did. 90% of the time this will sway the customer to your side. Sometimes if you are younger people will try to take advantage of you. So if this does not work you have to decide whats the next step.