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Puddle of Oil
06-14-2011, 04:15 PM
I found this article in my email today from FTE, figured id share it with you guys.

If President Obama and the state of California adopt higher gas mileage requirements, Ford's trucks, according to some academics, may be required to get as much as 62 MPG by 2025! While implementing this engineering feat may sound like a fanciful dream, the Ford Motor Company has been working on building powerful, fuel efficient fossil-fuel burning vehicles since 2006. Fordís EcoBoost Technology has been largely responsible for their ability to produce trucks that are fuel-efficient. EcoBoost technologies include direct injection systems, turbocharging, and twin independent variable camshaft timing (Ti-VCT) engines.

However, EcoBoost is just one part of the equation. The second part of the equation responsible for increasing fuel efficiency are the new types of transmissions Ford is placing in their trucks. Fordís new model diesel trucks incorporate Alison transmissions. Alison is a highly respected company that is committed to designing and manufacturing transmissions that will enhance fuel economy and still provide the power and torque required by a work-truck. Indeed, Ford has invested a considerable amount of money on the design of a new eight speed automatic transmission. This transmission is exclusively Fordís own design, and is going to be built in the United States starting in December 2011. According to a resent Ford press release, their eight speed transmission will provide a 2 to 6 percent increase in fuel efficiency over their six speed transmission.

The combined effects of EcoBoost and these enhanced transmissions have allowed Ford to produce trucks incorporating engines with smaller displacements that have maintained their power and torque levels. The Ford F-150ís EcoBoost V6 engine can attain 365 HP at 420 foot-pounds of torque, which is comparable to the naturally aspirated V8 it replaced. In fact, because this v6 engine sports twin compact turbochargers, it produces 15% fewer carbon dioxide emissions, yields nearly 20% higher fuel efficiency, and produces greater torque and horsepower than the outdated V8. Still more impressive are the MPG numbers for the Ford F-150 integrating a 3.7 liter V-6 engine with EcoBoost to the 2011 Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid. According to EPA estimates, the Ford achieves 16mpg city and 23mpg highway, while the Chevy hybrid receives 20mpg city and 23mpg highway.

Another way Ford is striving to obtain increased fuel economy is by employing the use of diesel engines. Ford has teamed up with Cummins to provide diesel engine work-trucks that are powerful and fuel-efficient as well. Innovations in diesel engine design provide vehicles with engines that produce lower emissions than gasoline burning engines, and are up to 30% more fuel-efficient.

But are innovations in engine design, transmission design, and other vehicle components enough to produce fossil fuel burning engines that can obtain 62 MPG? With so much riding on this question, Ford has also invested in developing new hybrid technologies that are scheduled to be designed and built in the United States.

Fordís innovative ideas have already proven that classic fuel burning vehicles can compete with todayís hybrids. Nevertheless, if emission standards and fuel efficiency requirements increase as expected, we may soon see an explosion of hybrid trucks in order to reach the 62 MPG goal.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/idx/0/737/article/Ford_Trucks_to_Get_62_MPG?.html?=industrynews

JDiepstra
06-14-2011, 04:53 PM
I don't see mpg's tripling in 14 years. Gas engines have been around for over 100 years and the technology is already pretty advanced. They can not squeeze out a 200% increase by adding more gears to a transmission. Obama and realistic numbers just don't jive. Take a look at the budget deficits he's running!

rcslawncare
06-14-2011, 09:16 PM
would be nice, but hybrid 1/2 tons now get 20 or so. I don't see it happening, but you never know.

Keith
06-14-2011, 09:48 PM
It's possible











.......if we redefine this "new" gallon as being equal to 12 quarts ;) We were promised flying cars by now, and that didn't pan out.

HazardAce
06-14-2011, 10:54 PM
If it weren't for the stupid EPA regulations, we would probably already have trucks that get 45-55 mpg. In England, they have deisel SUVs that get 60 mpg without a problem. They just aren't regulated to death over there. And if things like emissions must be regulated, there's a much better way to do it. Currently, we measure emissions by the gal. We ought to measure by the mile. It's much better to have a vehicle that gets 50 mpg, but has a little higher pg emission than one that get's 18 mpg. But of course, heaven forbid we use common sense.

topsites
06-14-2011, 11:04 PM
Oh yeah I got a similar email from this King who finally found me after a very long and arduous search
that spanned most of his life he thinks I am his only living relative and he wants to give me his fortune,
I will tell him to hold off until the first 62mpg F-250 rolls off the lot so I can buy it!

Then again, maybe down a steep hill with a back wind.
And the engine off.

The other option, of course, is not to believe everything that comes through email.

Sydenstricker Landscaping
06-14-2011, 11:55 PM
First there are many holes in that story. Allison is a gm company. There trans goes behind the duramax and bigger. Doubt Ford would deal with them since they have their in house torq shift or what ever its called. Secondly, I highly doubt dodge would loosen its grips on cummins and let Ford in on that. Especially since all the other Ford diesels were navistar/international until this newest one that is built by them in house. Unless I have missed something and could be wrong, but I doubt I'm wrong.
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bobcat_ron
06-15-2011, 08:46 AM
By the time we see ultra cheap running engines, the supply of oil will be completely exhausted.
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unkownfl
06-15-2011, 10:02 PM
First there are many holes in that story. Allison is a gm company. There trans goes behind the duramax and bigger. Doubt Ford would deal with them since they have their in house torq shift or what ever its called. Secondly, I highly doubt dodge would loosen its grips on cummins and let Ford in on that. Especially since all the other Ford diesels were navistar/international until this newest one that is built by them in house. Unless I have missed something and could be wrong, but I doubt I'm wrong.
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Allison is not a gm company at least not for half a decade now. I believe somewhere down the road Cummins owns a part of Ford as well as all the other manufactures in the US. I believe they also have their hand in International (navistar). Cummins is not owned by anyone really they own other companies, or at least have an interested in them... I'm 99% sure they're Ford trucks already powered by Cummins and I'm not talking about heavy duty trucks either.

Poontamer
06-19-2011, 05:31 PM
Obama has said alot of things
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Capemay Eagle
06-19-2011, 10:09 PM
Allison is not a gm company at least not for half a decade now. I believe somewhere down the road Cummins owns a part of Ford as well as all the other manufactures in the US. I believe they also have their hand in International (navistar). Cummins is not owned by anyone really they own other companies, or at least have an interested in them... I'm 99% sure they're Ford trucks already powered by Cummins and I'm not talking about heavy duty trucks either.

It is a little confusing on the GM/Allison sale. The way I read it is that GM owns the rights to the Allison car and truck, hybrid transmissions, they sold the Commercial and military end of the company.

Kelly's Landscaping
06-22-2011, 06:38 PM
You reach a tipping point when you say screw it we just wont sell anything to California and force them to repeal their over them top regulations or learn to walk. This is something they should of done already do you want low emissions or high mpg or safety or something that's affordable. You can have 2 not all 4 pick what you want. Personally id give up the low emissions and just go for safety and high mpg. As for what Obama says this week or next week the word azz clown doesn't do him justus truth and reality left that guy a long time ago.

unkownfl
06-22-2011, 08:57 PM
You reach a tipping point when you say screw it we just wont sell anything to California and force them to repeal their over them top regulations or learn to walk. This is something they should of done already do you want low emissions or high mpg or safety or something that's affordable. You can have 2 not all 4 pick what you want. Personally id give up the low emissions and just go for safety and high mpg. As for what Obama says this week or next week the word azz clown doesn't do him justus truth and reality left that guy a long time ago.

Wouldn't you think high MPG goes along with low emissions. It's kinda hard to burn 10mpg and stay clean.

Kelly's Landscaping
06-23-2011, 11:50 PM
Wouldn't you think high MPG goes along with low emissions. It's kinda hard to burn 10mpg and stay clean.

No they do not go together when they try for better emissions they end up adding other wise useless components that suck the power out of the vehicle. Should of seen the hoses under the hood of my old 84 trans am dozens of them I had an air pump and then the converter everything taking a little more power and reducing your mpg. My new truck has some sort of urea tank to further reduce emissions you think that's improving my mpg. We have all heard stories of 60-70 mpg diesel cars that they cant sell in our country cause of emissions. Now the new porsche 918 meets your goals 78 mpg 200 mph like 500 hp sounds great to you get to the 900,000 price tag as I said you cant have all 4.