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fl-landscapes
06-28-2011, 03:33 PM
Saw this other thread. So lawn solutions got bought by toro? Wonder how that will effect price and availability in the short term?
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=354953&highlight=cool+season+program&page=2

http://tcbmag.blogs.com/daily_developments/2011/06/toro-buys-ky-co-enters-new-product-categories.html

Service 1st Lawn Care
06-28-2011, 06:58 PM
Glad I decided to buy the Z-Plugger, Dave had no personality anyhow always running things by the seat of his pants. Always putting things off it will be out this week no next week so on and so on. good riddens:clapping:

myyaz33
06-28-2011, 07:34 PM
Sure explains why I have been getting the run around so long on upgrading a Revitalizer unit.

ted putnam
06-28-2011, 08:27 PM
So....does this mean we'll be able to buy comparable quality aerators and the like from any Toro dealer out there or does this mean the equipment is going to go to **** now...or BOTH???

grassmasterswilson
06-28-2011, 09:57 PM
i love my ride on, but had to figure things out on my own. i couldn't ever seem to get in contact with anyone who knew what was going on. Hopefully the quality will be there and the customer service will improve.

ted putnam
06-28-2011, 10:39 PM
I am gearing up to offer aeration next season. I WILL be purchasing a unit and had pretty much made up my mind which unit I was getting. I guess I'll keep a closer eye on things with them and see how it shakes out.

fl-landscapes
06-28-2011, 11:11 PM
I am gearing up to offer aeration next season. I WILL be purchasing a unit and had pretty much made up my mind which unit I was getting. I guess I'll keep a closer eye on things with them and see how it shakes out.

Probably be the same unit only toro red now....curious what the prices will do....my guess is up, well see. z-plug looks capable but it looks like a monstrocity and probably not good on small or cut up lawns, ls ride on looks awesome and I actually was in touch with dave recently about one, now I think Ill do like you and see how this goes.

JoJo1990
06-28-2011, 11:11 PM
The last thing David said was he was working WITH Toro to help them develop some new equipment. I guess they worked something out.

I love Toro and LS products so this could get interesting. I wonder if they will make a green and red machine? It will also be interesting to see what happens with prices!

grassman177
06-28-2011, 11:27 PM
we are fond of toro too, so maybe this could be a very good thing. listen up lawnsite toro spies!

indyturf
06-28-2011, 11:29 PM
Maybe now the LS and Turfco aerators wont look exactly alike:dizzy:

ted putnam
06-28-2011, 11:49 PM
So....does this mean we'll be able to buy comparable quality aerators and the like from any Toro dealer out there or does this mean the equipment is going to go to **** now...or BOTH???

I was in no way trying to slight Toro equipment with this post. It just seems like when the individual sells to the corporation, things usually tend to go to hell. I hope this will not be the case...

fl-landscapes
07-06-2011, 02:24 PM
just spoke with edn distributors, guess they are one of the biggest distributors for lawn solutions on the east coast. They said they shipped back to toro/lawn solutions all their units they had in inventory. Guess they will paint them red and toro stickers?? Called ls and they say they are shutting down production for the next month and have no answers. Seems like a bad time of the year for all this as I would assume this would be the time companies would start thinking about upgrading their equipment for fall renovations. Lt rich must be happy about this, although I think the ride on unit of ls is a much better machine.

Clonts Landscaping
07-07-2011, 04:03 PM
I ordered a Rideon from LS on 6/1 and just emailed today to check on the order status. I was told they sold to Toro and to call a local dealer. I spoke with my local dealer and he is going to check on when they will be available. I was really looking forward to aeration season this year but this could screw everything up. I might be chasing behind my old Ryans for another year.

fl-landscapes
07-07-2011, 04:22 PM
I ordered a Rideon from LS on 6/1 and just emailed today to check on the order status. I was told they sold to Toro and to call a local dealer. I spoke with my local dealer and he is going to check on when they will be available. I was really looking forward to aeration season this year but this could screw everything up. I might be chasing behind my old Ryans for another year.

Let us know what the local dealer says about availability. Thanks
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Clonts Landscaping
07-07-2011, 04:43 PM
Just spoke with my dealer and he made some calls and really didn't have any info that I have not already read in the forums on here. He said he will call me back as soon as he knows more.

Clonts Landscaping
07-07-2011, 04:44 PM
This is what LS sent me.


David, As you may well know, Lawn Solutions has been bought out by The Toro company. Production has been shut down for the time being and we will be manufacturing for TORO for an extended period once we figure out their sells channels and the price that they want to put on our products. We cannot sell directly to you, but when a Toro/Exmark dealer in your area can house our products, they can sell to you. I am not aware of a current dealer in your area that handled our machines for Lawn Solutions, but get with your local Toro/Exmark dealer and see if they will carry our product in the future. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hopefully we can do business with you in the future! Kind Regards, Tyler GrahamBusiness Development Specialist Lawn Solutions Commercial Products5406 Shepherdsville Rd.Louisville, KY 40228(502) 968-3188 www.lawnsolutionscp.com

Exact Rototilling
07-10-2011, 10:14 PM
What happens if a current Lawn Solutions product owner needs a replacement part.....? Do I march down to my local Toro/Exmark dealer and say hey, You know...in case you didn't know Toro bought the Lawn Soltions Co. and I need this part that broke on my Aerator, seeder whatever....?


Maybe I will call my Toro dealer and see if they have any clue what is going on....?

Runner
07-11-2011, 12:41 AM
I was kind of thinking the same thing. I'd like to get a set of cutting blades before the transition. Also by the way,..David used to work for Toro in engineering (research and development) before going out on his own. Very smart man, and I'm sure he will make sure all things are in place so his previous customers are taken of.

Service 1st Lawn Care
07-12-2011, 03:42 PM
I ordered a Rideon from LS on 6/1 and just emailed today to check on the order status. I was told they sold to Toro and to call a local dealer. I spoke with my local dealer and he is going to check on when they will be available. I was really looking forward to aeration season this year but this could screw everything up. I might be chasing behind my old Ryans for another year.

Typical, David should have filled his current orders. Just plain bad business no way to treat people willing to spend their hard earned money. Asked him for a demo once guy was a rude smart ass, good riddens I say.

americanlawn
07-12-2011, 04:47 PM
I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but......

a) What is a sales channel? Sounds like B.S. to me. (I figured it was were folks buy stuff)

b) What price to charge? LS has been "selling" their stuff long enough, so I can kinda figure out Toro's "price issue". Or you can find NIB LS aerators on ebay right now for $3114.99 Item # 150629964999 Only 27 days left on the auction. Several available. (maybe this will help Toro with their pricing) :laugh:

c) "When a Toro dealer can house the units"? Every Toro dealer I know has PLENTY of warehouse space. :confused:

Anyways, I just got off the phone with central Iowa's largest Toro dealer. http:www.clivepowerequipment.com ....They had no clue what a lawn solutions aerator was in the first place. I tried to describe the features, but they were still dumbfounded. :confused:

So then I called the largest "regional" Toro company. (formerly Tri-State, now MTI Distributing) http:www.mtidistributing.com They had no clue either. :confused:





This is what LS sent me.


David, As you may well know, Lawn Solutions has been bought out by The Toro company. Production has been shut down for the time being and we will be manufacturing for TORO for an extended period once we figure out their sells channels and the price that they want to put on our products. We cannot sell directly to you, but when a Toro/Exmark dealer in your area can house our products, they can sell to you. I am not aware of a current dealer in your area that handled our machines for Lawn Solutions, but get with your local Toro/Exmark dealer and see if they will carry our product in the future. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hopefully we can do business with you in the future! Kind Regards, Tyler GrahamBusiness Development Specialist Lawn Solutions Commercial Products5406 Shepherdsville Rd.Louisville, KY 40228(502) 968-3188 www.lawnsolutionscp.com

Clonts Landscaping
07-12-2011, 08:23 PM
I have spoken with two dealers who had no clue that Toro had bought LS. One did not even know what LS was. I still have no answer when or where I can get one. I have never had to try so hard to spend $8500. I would normally say screw it but I really dont think there is another aerator that can compete with it.

Green Lawns llc
07-12-2011, 09:09 PM
I"m in the same boat. Ordered a LS ride on in late June and now was told I may or may not have it in time for fall aerations. Well I am not willing to take that chance. Spoke to two large Toro dealers in the area and nobody has any answers yet. As a satisfied owner of a Z-spray I now know the direction I"m heading. Like many others on here I can not say enough about the customer service at LT Rich. Spoke with them the other day and they are currently working on their 36" aerator assembly to make it pull more plugs. Im not going to rant but am very dissapointed how LS handled this and sure I"m not alone. After taking everything into consideration I know I have made the right decision.

fl-landscapes
07-12-2011, 09:20 PM
I"m in the same boat. Ordered a LS ride on in late June and now was told I may or may not have it in time for fall aerations. Well I am not willing to take that chance. Spoke to two large Toro dealers in the area and nobody has any answers yet. As a satisfied owner of a Z-spray I now know the direction I"m heading. Like many others on here I can not say enough about the customer service at LT Rich. Spoke with them the other day and they are currently working on their 36" aerator assembly to make it pull more plugs. Im not going to rant but am very dissapointed how LS handled this and sure I"m not alone. After taking everything into consideration I know I have made the right decision.

Very frustrating to say the least. Sad thing is the ride on was probably the most nimble, productive machine and likely pulled the deepest and most plugs per sq ft. Think lt rich improved design will be announced by lt on this site? Less plugs is one downside I also think the lt unit doesn't look as nimble and may be tougher to operate on small properties compared to the ls. Thinking it would need a smaller walk behind to compliment it. Any thoughts?
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Green Lawns llc
07-12-2011, 09:36 PM
After speaking with them I suggested they do post that info if the new assembly works out. You can rest assured they will only produce it if it works. I agree that the LS had it beat in some areas. I was willing to spend $8500 for the one show pony. That has since changed though. The LT Rich machine has additional options plus I already own a Z-spray. I am thinking I may have to get a smaller wb unit but was planning on doing that anyway. Maybe a Turfco? It is totally unacceptable that we are being left in the dark. The LS unit may have had the edge in aerating but there are many other factors to consider.

Exact Rototilling
07-13-2011, 12:10 AM
Very frustrating to say the least. Sad thing is the ride on was probably the most nimble, productive machine and likely pulled the deepest and most plugs per sq ft. Think lt rich improved design will be announced by lt on this site? Less plugs is one downside I also think the lt unit doesn't look as nimble and may be tougher to operate on small properties compared to the ls. Thinking it would need a smaller walk behind to compliment it. Any thoughts?
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Plug pattern on LS. stand on is the same spacing as the 21 WB which I own which frankly not a very dense pattern. My plugr 850 pulls 75% more plugs in a single pass compared to the LS pattern. The LS dually is even more sparse but aeration path is the same as the stander. I've researched and gathered data on ALL the WB aerators and have been able to confirm patterns and nothing compares in plug count with the Plugr 800, 850 and 855. Also the Ryan 28 reciprocating unit pulls and extra half plug per square foot over the plugr 8xx.


Will the LS stander or even the WB with enough weight on it pull deeper plugs than a plugr 8xx or Ryan 28? Yes in the right conditions.

I've had several complaints about showing up with the LS units when then prior visit I had used my plugr 850. One instance was even 2 years later.
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myyaz33
07-13-2011, 12:14 AM
maybe SourceOne (Plugr)should get into the ride on business!!

Exact Rototilling
07-13-2011, 12:31 AM
maybe SourceOne (Plugr)should get into the ride on business!!
The older walker perferator attachment pulled the same pattern as does the tow behind pl1600 however I'm not sure if the plugs are as deep in real world use when you let air out of the back tires and back off the plugr tine to 3 to 4 full turns on with my 850. The reciprocating units are hardly fun in rocky soil. That is why a ride on or over the unit would be impractical.

2 passes are need with the LS dually WB....if my.memory is correct... to match or equal a single pass with my plugr 850.

I may end up selling my LS 21 WB....will decide after fall marketing campaign.



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fl-landscapes
07-13-2011, 08:50 AM
Plug pattern on LS. stand on is the same spacing as the 21 WB which I own which frankly not a very dense pattern. My plugr 850 pulls 75% more plugs in a single pass compared to the LS pattern. The LS dually is even more sparse but aeration path is the same as the stander. I've researched and gathered data on ALL the WB aerators and have been able to confirm patterns and nothing compares in plug count with the Plugr 800, 850 and 855. Also the Ryan 28 reciprocating unit pulls and extra half plug per square foot over the plugr 8xx.


Will the LS stander or even the WB with enough weight on it pull deeper plugs than a plugr 8xx or Ryan 28? Yes in the right conditions.

I've had several complaints about showing up with the LS units when then prior visit I had used my plugr 850. One instance was even 2 years later.
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I was talking mostly about the productivity and plug qualitiy of the ride on unit not the walk behinds

Clonts Landscaping
07-13-2011, 09:37 AM
I rent a LT Rich for a couple of days every fall for my larger yards and my hoa's. They do a decent job but I would never buy one. They are terrible on hills and when turning. I have not tried the new one with two wheels in the front but I'm sure the price is 10k or more and they take alot space up on a trailer.

Service 1st Lawn Care
07-13-2011, 01:29 PM
I rent a LT Rich for a couple of days every fall for my larger yards and my hoa's. They do a decent job but I would never buy one. They are terrible on hills and when turning. I have not tried the new one with two wheels in the front but I'm sure the price is 10k or more and they take alot space up on a trailer.

Old machine is nothing like the new one, tines have down pressure. Much more stable with the 4 wheels. I would imagine if your renting the machine from a rental store, I could only imagine when the last time they put on new tines. The 10K price depends what options you purchase.

RABBITMAN11
07-13-2011, 01:35 PM
Your wrong about the same tine.spacing. regarding ride on aerator.
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Exact Rototilling
07-13-2011, 01:42 PM
I was talking mostly about the productivity and plug qualitiy of the ride on unit not the walk behinds

Ok fair enough....but plug pattern is identical on the LS stander and 21 WB. For some time I was under the impression for some.time.the stander and WB had a.3.5" x 6" pattern. Even David confirmed that. I even had.one phase of marketing claiming the densest plug pattern of any rolling tine unit on the market. Then one day I measured the tines fore an aft and got the shock of my life. I even posted pics of the holes with a.tape.measure last spring. 3.5 x 9" making it less dense of a pattern of many other rolling tine units. The dually unit has even wider spacing.
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Clonts Landscaping
07-13-2011, 01:43 PM
Old machine is nothing like the new one, tines have down pressure. Much more stable with the 4 wheels. I would imagine if your renting the machine from a rental store, I could only imagine when the last time they put on new tines. The 10K price depends what options you purchase.

Are they pretty good about letting people demo them?

Exact Rototilling
07-13-2011, 01:48 PM
Your wrong about the same tine.spacing. regarding ride on aerator.
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Ok confirm it then. Are not the tines spaced 3.5" x 9"....? Last spring David offered to work up a more dense assembly for.me. He said not talk it up but did recently test a more dense pattern but concluded too many tines.

David has confirmed multiple times they are the same spacing.

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RABBITMAN11
07-13-2011, 02:07 PM
I have both and they are.not.the same
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Exact Rototilling
07-13-2011, 02:10 PM
I have both and they are.not.the same
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Ok can you measure and let me know? Specs for each? Dually WB is different.
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RABBITMAN11
07-13-2011, 02:55 PM
Will do
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Efficiency
07-15-2011, 05:24 PM
Are they pretty good about letting people demo them?

yes, Shane was willing to meet me Saturday of July 4th weekend to let me demo it at the factory. When I realized what weekend it was, I wouldnt let him come in. I cant speak more highly of the entire team and their dedication to the clients!

Clonts Landscaping
07-21-2011, 10:36 PM
I spoke with a Toro dealer again Tuesday and he told me from everything he is hearing they will not have any Rideon aerators available this year. I really hope he's wrong. I have emailed LS several times and no real answers.

lawn king
07-22-2011, 08:03 PM
I think i was the first member here @ lawn site to purchase a lawn solutions machine (early 2008). I kinda feel like we have been screwed by david cook, no straight answers from toro? Will i even be able to get parts for my aerator from toro?

Exact Rototilling
07-23-2011, 12:34 AM
I think i was the first member here @ lawn site to purchase a lawn solutions machine (early 2008). I kinda feel like we have been screwed by david cook, no straight answers from toro? Will i even be able to get parts for my aerator from toro?

Lawn King,

I'm also a bit concerned myself about getting parts in a timely manner. Part yes at some point....... quickly.....?

I'm glad I have 2 Plugr 850's which frankly are my anchor aerators.

I'd be pretty nervous about only having a LS unit for fall aeration's with this blackout with LS & Toro. :hammerhead:

Clonts Landscaping
09-23-2011, 02:29 PM
It took them almost four months but they came through just in time.

Clonts Landscaping
09-23-2011, 02:40 PM
A pic might help

RABBITMAN11
09-24-2011, 12:51 AM
You'll love! Despite what others say, have owned one for three years now nothing compares.
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grassmasterswilson
09-24-2011, 02:27 PM
Now that toro owns them. do you guys think toro dealers will start servicing them? I'm in NC and have owned a ride on for years. We I first got it I ran it hard cause i heard they were tough. Seemed to get a lot of chain popping and the tine axle was not aligned so the chain kept running off. David and his guys were no help in figuring out why. Now I run it slow and steady. Seems to work out ok. I'm just real nervous if something breaks about getting it fixed.

vencops
09-24-2011, 04:47 PM
My local exmark dealer said they (exmark dealers) were going to carry them (and not Toro).

Anybody else heard this?

Service 1st Lawn Care
09-24-2011, 05:10 PM
You'll love! Despite what others say, have owned one for three years now nothing compares.
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I don't think anyone has ever said anything bad about the machine, I think most of the problems were with the person who owned the company that made promises after promises.

DA Quality Lawn & YS
09-27-2011, 12:08 AM
why worry...go with Turfco machines.

ted putnam
09-27-2011, 01:03 AM
why worry...go with Turfco machines.



Oh Larry...............

Clonts Landscaping
09-28-2011, 08:45 PM
You'll love! Despite what others say, have owned one for three years now nothing compares.
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So far I'm loving it and so is my back.

RABBITMAN11
09-28-2011, 10:42 PM
So far I'm loving it and so is my back.

15 aerations today. By the way use chain wax it seems to work alot better on the chains. Keep it greased and chains lubed, and you will be a happy camper.

vencops
09-28-2011, 11:20 PM
15 aerations, today?

Jesus....I did 2. I can't imagine. I'm not saying 2 took me all day. I'm saying I can't FATHOM doing 15.

My last one for the season (that I know of) was this afternoon. Aerate/Lime/Fert./Over-seed. Lawn could not be 1500SF (But really cut-up...in 4 sections). It took 1:15.

15? Wow.

Oakleaf landscape
10-08-2011, 12:16 AM
Hell I do 15 a day with my old ryan walk behind. All around around 7-8k of turf. Gotta make hay while the sun shines.

grassmasterswilson
10-12-2011, 07:56 AM
They are great machines. What is the word on the sale? When does it take place? I'm interested in getting my ride on serviced and looked over and wondering what toro dealers will carry/sale/service the machines.

Clonts Landscaping
01-10-2012, 10:32 PM
Hey Rabbit, you seem to have the 411 on all things LS. What's going on right now? Websites down and cant find anything through Toro. Just wandering.

RABBITMAN11
01-11-2012, 12:32 AM
They are only selling parts right now! I think for only a month or two. After that all parts will come directly from exmark. Hope this helps. I stocked up on spare part just in case i have a problem..

grassmasterswilson
01-11-2012, 08:04 AM
Hoping that some exmark dealers will start servicing them! My ride on was making a strange noise and it seemed to bog down when I was trying to aerate up hills or had my levers pushed forward over half way.

Sounds like a hydro problem and the machine is almost new! I can't figure it out. Any ideas?

JoJo1990
01-11-2012, 09:20 AM
I spoke with some eXmark dealers at a trade show and they have the prototype machines in 'red'. I saw them first hand. Production of them should begin soon and very soon after that, all parts will be available. There were some very minor tweaks here and there but otherwise it looks like the original designs. I would check with your dealers in a month.

Clonts Landscaping
01-11-2012, 10:23 AM
I had 2 hydro belts break on mine before it hit 20 hours. Once we got that straight we were good to go. Thanks for the info Rabitt. I hope Toro comes out with a optional spreader and sprayer for them like Ls was gonna do.

MrOPEguy
01-11-2012, 10:58 AM
Hey guys, I just spent the time to skim through all 6 pages of this thread. I am a Toro dealer and I will share what I know so far. The LS is in the 2012 Toro dealer price book. I have already priced a few ride on aerators for my customers. Toro frowns on making pricing public on the net, so for now I will refrain from doing so. The LS units are supposed to be made available by the end of February. I was told straight from Toro's product specialist for the line that Toro or LS depending on who is actually building them that there will be two production schedules for 2012. Meaning they intend to build the products twice. Once in the spring and once in the fall. She said this could change + or - depending on demand. Pricing seems to be in line with what is already on the market under LS. I did not discuss parts availability, but I have been selling Toro for over 20 years and I have been with them when they acquired several companies. The parts is always the first thing that gets put into place. Now keep in mind your local dealer may not stock parts for them yet, and I would not expect him to at first if he has never sold the line. However, Toro has a track record of better than a 98% fill rate on parts. Meaning over 98% of the time if a dealer orders it Toro has it and ships it within 48 hours to the dealer's door step. I don't think many of you will experience much of a hassle transitioning form one company to the other, with the exception of the dealer itself coming up to speed.
As far as the line up right now I see a stand on and a WB aerator, a seeder, 2 stump grinders, a brush cutter, and a log splitter in the book. I don't know how deep LS product line was, but that is what Toro will offer for now. Of course this could change as time goes on. I hope this helps from a dealer's point of view.

grassmasterswilson
01-11-2012, 12:14 PM
Hey guys, I just spent the time to skim through all 6 pages of this thread. I am a Toro dealer and I will share what I know so far. The LS is in the 2012 Toro dealer price book. I have already priced a few ride on aerators for my customers. Toro frowns on making pricing public on the net, so for now I will refrain from doing so. The LS units are supposed to be made available by the end of February. I was told straight from Toro's product specialist for the line that Toro or LS depending on who is actually building them that there will be two production schedules for 2012. Meaning they intend to build the products twice. Once in the spring and once in the fall. She said this could change + or - depending on demand. Pricing seems to be in line with what is already on the market under LS. I did not discuss parts availability, but I have been selling Toro for over 20 years and I have been with them when they acquired several companies. The parts is always the first thing that gets put into place. Now keep in mind your local dealer may not stock parts for them yet, and I would not expect him to at first if he has never sold the line. However, Toro has a track record of better than a 98% fill rate on parts. Meaning over 98% of the time if a dealer orders it Toro has it and ships it within 48 hours to the dealer's door step. I don't think many of you will experience much of a hassle transitioning form one company to the other, with the exception of the dealer itself coming up to speed.
As far as the line up right now I see a stand on and a WB aerator, a seeder, 2 stump grinders, a brush cutter, and a log splitter in the book. I don't know how deep LS product line was, but that is what Toro will offer for now. Of course this could change as time goes on. I hope this helps from a dealer's point of view.

where are you in NC? Dealer name? I'm looking for someone who can repair/work on them? Any word on when that will be?

MrOPEguy
01-11-2012, 12:18 PM
Hudson's Outdoor Equipment. 77 Amelia Church Rd. Clayton, NC 27520 919-553-3030.
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RABBITMAN11
01-11-2012, 10:29 PM
Hoping that some exmark dealers will start servicing them! My ride on was making a strange noise and it seemed to bog down when I was trying to aerate up hills or had my levers pushed forward over half way.

Sounds like a hydro problem and the machine is almost new! I can't figure it out. Any ideas?

Hey I can offer you some advice on this issue...It sounds just like a problem I was having. There is a adjustment by the hydros that tightens the belt. Sounds to me like you just need to adjust the tension on the belt.

grassmasterswilson
01-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Hey I can offer you some advice on this issue...It sounds just like a problem I was having. There is a adjustment by the hydros that tightens the belt. Sounds to me like you just need to adjust the tension on the belt.

thanks rabbit. I will look next time i'm at the shop. If I remember there is just one idle arm? Think the tensioner is on the right and looks like a spring and "hook" bolt?

RABBITMAN11
01-12-2012, 02:25 PM
Your correct.
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