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piston slapper
07-23-2011, 10:35 AM
I run a repair shop in eastern Hillsboro county. The past few years its been getting harder to read my crystal ball, especially when last years business numbers provide no real guidance on this years expectations. The commercial repair business used to be strong for 6 months out of the year, now its more like 6 to 10 weeks. The mower repair business is a little different than the landscape business. The work is seasonal and the bills are year round. When I dont sell alot of blades and filters, I dont get a good enough price on them to compete with the dealerships.To be honest...I used to make more money 10 years ago , building Kohler engines out of the garage at my house.

Most of the commercial mowers that I've seen come in this year have multiple problems. There is also alot of "mechanic shopping" , where they take the mower to 1 shop that screws it up, and then brings it to me to straighten it out. I dont know about you, but I dont like trying to staighten out other peoples mistakes. Its gotten to the point where I wont take in a mower that has had internal work(head gaskets, etc. ) done by another shop. They use high speed tools to clean the aluminum block , and gouge the block so bad that all the head gaskets in the world wont fix it.

Is The Ecomony Really This Bad ?:confused:

SLAPPER

Ric
07-23-2011, 11:37 AM
Slapper

I am over a hundred miles South of you in a very retirement area. Retiree Services are the total economic base here now. Most of the construction worker have moved on the better things. Our School system has lost a great percentage of students because the young working class has left. Just south of me is the Number One foreclosure area in the nation.

As bleak as it seems my Pest control business is actually up and I am seeing new housing starts in the up scale neighborhoods. I don't cut grass but My friend & Mechanic from years ago when I did, is swamped with JUNK work. While the real pros are replacing equipment, the Crack Heads are milking Grandpa's Crapsman all the way to the junk yard. My neighbor had his yard cut last week and the mower Deck was so bend up it was plowing on one side and wind rowing it on the other.


With the exception of August 2004 and Hurricane Charlie. 2008 & 2009 were the worst years for me all across the board from Business and investments etc. But 2010 kept my head above water and I gained back some of my losses. 2011 I am getting ahead and actually buying toys and banking money working Part time since I am a senior citizen. Still we are a long way off from the Boom times when the housing Money flowed like water.

piston slapper
07-23-2011, 11:51 AM
Ric...you're right 2008 did start this mess. It was the first time I saw a slack in business in the middle of August. The phones went quiet for about 2 weeks. I've come to expect this seasonal quirk, as its happened each year since. It happens at the same time that the kids go back to school ( crayons and bluejeans ) This year, its happening in July...not good...

I realize the economy cant come back until the people who lost jobs , find a job.
Without consumers with money to spend...you'll never see a recovery.
Gonna have to get creative..

I didnt break this economy, and they wont let me fix it.

DLCS
07-23-2011, 11:56 AM
I saw a special on the news the other night about the shuttle program and how its already affecting many counties in Florida. Restaurants, malls and other businesses shutting down due to NASA workers leaving the area and moving on. Seems like they new this day was coming with the shuttle program and should have had something new to start at the end of the shuttle program. But then government funding has probably destroyed that too, sad to see.

Ric
07-23-2011, 12:22 PM
Ric...you're right 2008 did start this mess. It was the first time I saw a slack in business in the middle of August. The phones went quiet for about 2 weeks. I've come to expect this seasonal quirk, as its happened each year since. It happens at the same time that the kids go back to school ( crayons and bluejeans ) This year, its happening in July...not good...

I realize the economy cant come back until the people who lost jobs , find a job.
Without consumers with money to spend...you'll never see a recovery.
Gonna have to get creative..

I didnt break this economy, and they wont let me fix it.

Slapper

IMHO I think the USA is done as a great power and world leader. We have out sourced all of the higher paying working class jobs. A union worker who was used to making $ 35.00 an hour plus benefits isn't quite ready to work at Wally World as a minimum wage Greeter. I was anti Globalization 20 years ago and nothing has changed my mind. But if I don't buy goods made in China I would have anything. So I now go with the flow and buy their crap.

Keith
07-23-2011, 01:39 PM
I go out of my way to buy American-made products. If not made here, at least made in a country to that pays a wage similar to what would be expected here. It ain't easy. And some of the time buying Chinese-made products is unavoidable. People look at you crazy like when you go to the tire store and demand to see the tires so you can check the country of origin before you buy. They don't get it. They don't understand that the whole economy is an ecosystem. Take one level away, it's only a matter of time before the others start to fail.

Ultimately, that is where most of our problems stem from right now. No politician wants to talk about it.

Check these out. http://www.businessinsider.com/end-of-the-middle-class-2011-7#right-now-the-us-government-says-that-141-million-americans-are-unemployed-1

The chart on pg 11 is an eye opener.

Pg 12: Half of the working in this country make about $500 a week

Pg 22: Average of 50k manufacturing jobs have left this country every month since 2001

Pg 26: Look at the cliff dive in US manufacturing after 2001 when China entered the WTO.

Pg 38: The top 1% have a higher net worth than the bottom 90% of the population.

Ric
07-23-2011, 03:46 PM
Keith

A lot of factors lead up to the USA down fall. Union demands were greater than union production, is one that management or the 1% like to point out. But what the economic rocket scientist failed to understand was if you export American jobs you also export the working class buying power. It is that Working Class buying power that made America great. The industrial revolution would have never happened if there wasn't buying power to purchase production. Big Box stores like sears once again had to have a market of buying power to sell their goods.

But Sam Walton died and the Made in America sign came down so Wally World could make $ 20,000 net profit every minute of every day selling Chinese crap.

Of course we are also following European examples of socialism and welfare give away programs. soon the working man will be paying the 40% income taxes the same as Germany and other common market countries.

greendoctor
07-23-2011, 03:56 PM
The working class never was and never will be my market. I saw the writing on the wall decades ago. Another factor is that in my area, the only people that are not DIY are the elderly, disabled or truly wealthy.

I am careful about bashing the union workers, even though most of them are hard headed DIY azzholes that will not pay me a cent to do what they do wrong right. It is them that can afford a Ford F350 with another $10,000 of aftermarket crap on it. It is them that can afford to drink and smoke heavily. My point is that they will spend the money somewhere and that helps the economy go around.

gregory
07-23-2011, 05:28 PM
well our company has been on a tear this year atleast the branch that i work at. cant say the say about the stores on the east coast. our shop has beat last years number by as much as 50k per month compared to 2010 numbers. i am back up to 5 techs.


i agree with you ric we have worked our country out of work and not much choice but to buy **** from china...

Ric
07-24-2011, 10:30 AM
well our company has been on a tear this year atleast the branch that i work at. cant say the say about the stores on the east coast. our shop has beat last years number by as much as 50k per month compared to 2010 numbers. i am back up to 5 techs.


i agree with you ric we have worked our country out of work and not much choice but to buy **** from china...

Karl

I am thinking the Equipment repair and parts business should be doing well right now. In a shaky economy there is a REPAIR NOT REPLACE attitude. If the good times roll, well then buy new equipment rather than fool with the old. I am not sure what the reason is for the slow business of the OP. While I am not rolling in money things have been improving. I have managed to cash purchase both Toys and Equipment this year.

Patriot Services
07-24-2011, 10:52 AM
Slapper- why do you shy away from fixing others screw ups? More effort to make something right should mean more money. Milking a crapsman for 5 times its original cost over its lifespan makes good sense for the repair shop. People aren't likely to start buying top quality gear anytime soon.
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Ric
07-25-2011, 07:47 AM
Slapper- why do you shy away from fixing others screw ups? More effort to make something right should mean more money. Milking a crapsman for 5 times its original cost over its lifespan makes good sense for the repair shop. People aren't likely to start buying top quality gear anytime soon.
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Patriot

I tried to help my neighbor out by taking her crapsman to my Mechanic. The problem was it broke in an other spot 5 minutes after I brought the mower back. I know what happened and realize it was not my Mechanic fault. But there is no way I was able to convince her it wasn't his fault. Other factor is my Mechanic is honest which they tell me is rare in a mechanic. He looks at a job from a pragmatic point. Is the equipment worth the cost of repair and will it hold up?? is his question.

It is just like taking on a Lawn that is past the point of a little Fert & Squirt. It is time to resod and if you think you can bring it back with fertilizer and weed control you are peeing into the wind.

piston slapper
07-25-2011, 10:23 AM
Slapper- why do you shy away from fixing others screw ups? More effort to make something right should mean more money. Milking a crapsman for 5 times its original cost over its lifespan makes good sense for the repair shop. People aren't likely to start buying top quality gear anytime soon.
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I dont "MILK" repairs....
If I dont think the repair will hold up, The customer knows about it before they get the bill. It's Repair shops like your's ( no offense ) that made me work for myself. :nono:

This is a true story :

Last saturday afternoon I was sitting out back BBQ'n and I got a phone call. When I started my business 10 years ago, I used my cell # as my business #. The guy on the phone was complaining about an exhaust valve sticking on a Kohler engine that I built 10 years ago. Let me see...New Kohler warranty-2 years....My rebuilds- 90 day warranty. 10 years commercial service????? and this guys complaining ???? I kid you not...:dizzy:

This guy should have been thanking me , or at least asking for instructions on how to BRONZE the engine to put it on display at the Kohler Engine Factory.:weightlifter:

It must be the economy....It should get interesting.....

SLAPPER

RussellB
07-25-2011, 10:35 AM
I dont "MILK" repairs....
If I dont think the repair will hold up, The customer knows about it before they get the bill. It's Repair shops like your's ( no offense ) that made me work for myself. :nono:

This is a true story :

Last saturday afternoon I was sitting out back BBQ'n and I got a phone call. When I started my business 10 years ago, I used my cell # as my business #. The guy on the phone was complaining about an exhaust valve sticking on a Kohler engine that I built 10 years ago. Let me see...New Kohler warranty-2 years....My rebuilds- 90 day warranty. 10 years commercial service????? and this guys complaining ???? I kid you not...:dizzy:

This guy should have been thanking me , or at least asking for instructions on how to BRONZE the engine to put it on display at the Kohler Engine Factory.:weightlifter:

It must be the economy....It should get interesting.....

SLAPPER

It IS the economy and it IS already getting interesting......and scary.

piston slapper
07-25-2011, 12:31 PM
It IS the economy and it IS already getting interesting......and scary.

I try not to get political on this forum, because equipment doesnt care who runs it. Stating the obvious is an exercise in futility.......BUT......

Living in the greatest nation to ever grace this planet...is getting tougher. Mind you, it is still the best place in the world to live,( and I hope it stays that way ) The machine that made this country so prominent isnt running so well.

The problems that vex this great country will not go away overnight.
The banks have us by the short hairs....They wont loan money to anyone unless its backed in gold bullion. I know of 2 people with credit scores over 800 and no debt who cant get the banks to consider a loan.

The constant squabbling in washington borders on amusing. Democrat and Republican tiffs resemble a version of "Good Cop/Bad Cop", where they are all reading from scripts, with the outcome predetermined. It costs so much to get elected that these guys might not be able to help us even if they wanted. Its always a compromise.

I sincerely hope that dont compromise all that is good and right in this country.

RussellB
07-25-2011, 12:45 PM
Well said Slapper. I am 54, collect a very nice retirement and my small business is doing well. My sons are in the early 20's and I fear for their future. seems ke the ones that project a positive outlook and strive to be productive are held back by the ones who just want to whine and see how unproductive they can be without being terminated. Add this to the problems in DC (as well as local gov) and it is a recipe for disaster. I look forward to the day that a true leader steps forward leads this country out of its current state of decay.

Patriot Services
07-25-2011, 12:53 PM
I don't own a repair shop. I also don't understand the rationale of nursing along junk. I was raised by a father who fixed everything. Starting with a quality piece is key but consumers just can't see past the initial pricetag.
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piston slapper
07-25-2011, 01:30 PM
I don't own a repair shop. I also don't understand the rationale of nursing along junk. I was raised by a father who fixed everything. Starting with a quality piece is key but consumers just can't see past the initial pricetag.
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Sorry about the slam.....must be the economy.
It did sound like you were reading from the playbook for the majority of the mower shops in the area.

Nothing Personal.......

gregory
07-25-2011, 07:51 PM
I dont "MILK" repairs....
If I dont think the repair will hold up, The customer knows about it before they get the bill. It's Repair shops like your's ( no offense ) that made me work for myself. :nono:

This is a true story :

Last saturday afternoon I was sitting out back BBQ'n and I got a phone call. When I started my business 10 years ago, I used my cell # as my business #. The guy on the phone was complaining about an exhaust valve sticking on a Kohler engine that I built 10 years ago. Let me see...New Kohler warranty-2 years....My rebuilds- 90 day warranty. 10 years commercial service????? and this guys complaining ???? I kid you not...:dizzy:

This guy should have been thanking me , or at least asking for instructions on how to BRONZE the engine to put it on display at the Kohler Engine Factory.:weightlifter:

It must be the economy....It should get interesting.....

SLAPPER



slapper i run a different type of repair business. the same thing happens in my business. i put on the invoice if there is any type of warranty and if there is what it is. i rebuilt two 40k lb tandems and the guy had a wheel seal leaking after i rebuilt them and burnt the front diff up and wanted warranty laughed at him and said dont think so you ran this thing with out oil. or get the you rebuilt my 13speed back in 2002 does it have any warranty on it? huh?

piston slapper
07-26-2011, 09:22 AM
Well said Slapper. I am 54, collect a very nice retirement and my small business is doing well. My sons are in the early 20's and I fear for their future. seems ke the ones that project a positive outlook and strive to be productive are held back by the ones who just want to whine and see how unproductive they can be without being terminated. Add this to the problems in DC (as well as local gov) and it is a recipe for disaster. I look forward to the day that a true leader steps forward leads this country out of its current state of decay.

Russell....Its gonna take more than a "True Leader" to reverse the tide of economic pain being dished out in this great land. The Banks, the Media, And the Corporate entities , have a hold on ALL the major governments in the world.They are choking out economic growth with more tentacles than weeds in a cow pasture. Their gameplan is achieving for themselves greater and greater wealth and POWER.

Its gonna take a man with the strength of MOSES , the courage of DAVID, and the faith of a child. I dont see that day as being a good one for most of the inhabitants of this planet. Make the most of what you have , and try to find a little enjoyment when you can.



BACK TO WORK....IT IS STILL JULY.....

piston slapper
07-30-2011, 11:27 AM
I guess the economy is really that bad...
Maybe I can make a fortune selling " Rose Colored Glasses"
As for the man with the Strength of Moses, Courage of David, and the Faith of a Child...
You'll know him when you see him....

Thanx for the input

SLAPPER

04cubcadet3235
05-05-2012, 11:29 AM
I sent in my 4300 john deere compact tractor which is a diesel in for service earlier in the year because the hydraulic cylinders for the loader were not working correctly. The loader would be in the air when i was driving and 5 minutes later it would almost be at the ground. I sent it in and they said they could fix it and also sharpen the blades on my rear 72" mower on it also. They also asked if i wanted them to change the oil and everything while it was there. I said yes because i didn't have enough time at the moment to do all the service on it so i sent it in. They said the loader was going down because of the hydraulic filters being clogged. So when i got it home like a month later i checked everything over and they never changed the inner element air filter. It was also dirty because of the dust i used it in last summer. They changed everything else including the outer element air filter but not the inner one. I could not believe it when i looked at the bill it was over $650 just for a tune up and some filter changes. I will never send it out to anyone ever again i got ripped off over $600 when i could have done it myself for under $100. What a rip off i guess the economy is very bad if i get charged $650 for a simple tune up from a jd dealer :(

ps. the worst part is the loader they said they fixed was never fixed :(

Patriot Services
05-05-2012, 11:36 AM
That's not economy that's just lack of integrity from the shop. Ethical behavior just seems to be lacking overall in society today.
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Florida Gardener
05-05-2012, 12:07 PM
That's not economy that's just lack of integrity from the shop. Ethical behavior just seems to be lacking overall in society today.
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Very true. Well said.
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jvanvliet
05-05-2012, 06:42 PM
It's hard to find an honest mechanic or supplier. I'm lucky to have built relationships over the years with owner operated providers. With the exception of one turf dealer, I don't feel I have been taken advantage of... yet; I don't think I will in the future.

I guess relationship, and loyalty (even if it costs me a few pennies more) goes a long way. I'd rather pay a little more knowing the job is done right and I haven't bought a pig in a poke.

Ric
05-06-2012, 12:31 AM
That's not economy that's just lack of integrity from the shop. Ethical behavior just seems to be lacking overall in society today.
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Patriot Services
05-06-2012, 08:16 AM
Truer words were never spoken. Look at Lies advertisers try telling us. But what really makes me mad is the Lawyers advertising to sue your employer or Grandma's nursing home etc etc. Ask Gary for a Crooked Doctor and Lawyer. Just go to our Website, Lawyer & Lawyer screwing the people.com.



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Ric
05-06-2012, 09:19 AM
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http://www.forthepeople.com/former-florida-governor-charlie-crist-joins-morgan-and-morgan--14-2744.html

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