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Ric
07-25-2011, 10:54 AM
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The other day I ran into a TG/CL Truck driver, I won't call them a spray tech. Anyway the subject of pay scale and daily quota came up. The guy was proud of the fact he made a 15% commission on all up sells. But his base pay was $ 500 a week and he had to service 25 accounts a day.

Now simple math says $ 500 a week is $ 100 a day. (Not sure if he works Saturday). $ 100 a day divided by 25 accounts means he is making $ 4.00 for each spray.

This guy claimed to make close to $ 700 a week with his up sells. But given the fact he does 25 sprays a day, when would he have time to sell???? Seems like a lot of humping and hard work for such a medium wage scale. A few years ago the average worker was making $ 42 K a year. I am not sure what it is today, but I would hate to try and raise a family on that kind of money. Of course Mine are finished college and gone now so I don't have that huge expense any more.

sprayboy
07-25-2011, 08:26 PM
How could they ever set a base of x amount of stops per day?
Are all lawns the same small size down there in Gods waiting room?

I thought it was based on dollar amounts per day, that's what it was when I worked there. ( Damn I hate to admit I worked there.)

Kinda hard to make a living with those numbers.

gregory
07-25-2011, 08:54 PM
ric i talked to one of the guys that works at the shop. he has a 1/4 acre lot with a house so the lawn cant be that big and he was paying TG under 25.00 per app. i laughed at him and said damn how can they make any money? he said his yard doesnt look any better then it did when he took care of it....

Ric
07-25-2011, 09:52 PM
How could they ever set a base of x amount of stops per day?
Are all lawns the same small size down there in Gods waiting room?

I thought it was based on dollar amounts per day, that's what it was when I worked there. ( Damn I hate to admit I worked there.)

Kinda hard to make a living with those numbers.


Spay boy

I wouldn't admit working for TG/CL either if I had.

Actually the Quota was $ 1250.00 a day but he said he had 25 stops at $ 50.00 each. He also said TG/CL didn't do any for under $ 50.00 which I also found out wasn't true when doing an estimate and the tire kicker showed me an invoice for $ 42.00 and ask if I could match it. Needless to say I didn't match it and he isn't my customer.


Karl

$ 25.00 per application sounds like EBF, Iowa. But the quality of work sure sounds like corn pone also.

americanlawn
07-25-2011, 10:20 PM
It's pretty easy to make up crap with no 1st-hand knowledge. I can spit as far as the next guy, but I prefer to get my facts in order "first hand". This whole post is bogus IMO....."I talked to so & so", "Does XXX for $$". Then I see posters continue to pick on hard-working applicators..............You guys need a life. This is my opinion. "Jealousy wreaks". Bad karma big time. Anybody running a successful business would not even think of downgrading competition. My 2 cents :usflag::canadaflag:

Young Bros
07-25-2011, 10:27 PM
It's pretty easy to make up crap with no 1st-hand knowledge. I can spit as far as the next guy, but I prefer to get my facts in order "first hand". This whole post is bogus IMO....."I talked to so & so", "Does XXX for $$". Then I see posters continue to pick on hard-working applicators..............You guys need a life. This is my opinion. "Jealousy wreaks". Bad karma big time. Anybody running a successful business would not even think of downgrading competition. My 2 cents :usflag::canadaflag:

Agreed & Ric wouldn't know corn if it slapped him in the face.

:hammerhead:

gregory
07-25-2011, 10:28 PM
larry how the hell can you say how much TG charges down here from way up there....


maybe you've been chasing your cows all day with your mist blower. go back to doing that...its funny how you cry like a little ***** when ric post on your treads but here you are doing it on his.........

WestGaPineStraw
07-25-2011, 10:31 PM
Getting my popcorn, this is gonna get good..lol

A few weeks ago I was doing my paper work before I started my next property. A TG stopped directly in front of me. The tech approached me and asked if I was hiring. Yada yada, he had a quota of $1,000 to meet a day to receive any comission on his base salary of $500. He also told me he could bring his entire route with him. I believe there is a clause where I could run into some legal problems, I quickly dismissed the idea of hiring him.
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gregory
07-25-2011, 10:38 PM
look larry more hear say.........

Think Green
07-25-2011, 10:40 PM
For goodness sakes................These poor smoe's are paid to do these small routes--That is all these routes are worth for the erea. The more productive commissioned routes are for those that have earned their ranks with this company.
I have a friend whom sprays for a competitor.........he sprays 25-30 lawns a day and works 5 days a week......makes about 600.00 plus commission on upsells too. IF he gets done early......he goes home early. All are done that day!! He chose his route because of hire rate reasons or personal reasons. Whichever it is..........he makes money......enough he feels is adequate and goes home at the end of the day and not worries about anything. Let me add..........these trucks are equipped with ride on Z's and motorized fertilizer spreaders. He isn't doing much physical labor here. The trucks are diesel.....stays running with the air on full tilt, and he is allowed breaks at his own discretion. However long it takes to do these lawns is how long he works.

EquityGreen
07-25-2011, 11:05 PM
I talked to a long time TG teech a month ago, he's got a T. He does 6k per week in revenue and he gets 5% commision back to 0 dallors plus his base. Wouldn't say his base but I would assume close to 500 per week, 10 yrs plus exp with TG. He does all the dirt cheap commercial properties. They have to do them half price here to get them cause everyone knows TG is awesome here. Lol lol
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ted putnam
07-25-2011, 11:30 PM
larry how the hell can you say how much TG charges down here from way up there....


maybe you've been chasing your cows all day with your mist blower. go back to doing that...its funny how you cry like a little ***** when ric post on your treads but here you are doing it on his.........

;)..................................................:laugh:

jasontimm
07-26-2011, 12:07 AM
larry how the hell can you say how much TG charges down here from way up there....


maybe you've been chasing your cows all day with your mist blower. go back to doing that...its funny how you cry like a little ***** when ric post on your treads but here you are doing it on his.........

umm...actually i believe RIC took shots at Larry first so therefor Larry has all the right to fire at this post all he wants (rules of engagement)

At least these guys are out trying to make a living apposed to sitting on their welfare butt collecting unemployment.

ted putnam
07-26-2011, 12:26 AM
umm...actually i believe RIC took shots at Larry first so therefor Larry has all the right to fire at this post all he wants (rules of engagement)

At least these guys are out trying to make a living apposed to sitting on their welfare butt collecting unemployment.

You've got a point there even though I'm sure there are many that "milk" the system for as long as they can before they quit (usually within a couple of months). Too bad for the customer when that happens. Overall, for this area anyway, workmanship is poor when provided by them. I attribute this to 3 things. Underpriced lawns with high quotas and poorly trained "specialists" Sometimes all 3 of these are working against the customer at the same time. My thoughts on this subject.

wrxscby
07-26-2011, 09:24 AM
Underpriced lawns due to a sales staff that is only concerned with hitting their sales goal!! I worked at TG for 8 1/2 years and saw on a daily basis how badly the sales staff undermeasured and underpriced lawns with no repurcussion at all. On sept. 11th we had to go out and produce when everything was goin down but the sales staff got the day off. That company is a money driven beast and they have no regard for the customer!! They mostly hire young college kids and throw them in the field with very little training! That being said they still continue to thrive in this economy!! Good luck to them!! I'm slowly taking all of their customers as well as Scotts!! LOL

gregory
07-26-2011, 09:35 AM
umm...actually i believe RIC took shots at Larry first so therefor Larry has all the right to fire at this post all he wants (rules of engagement)

At least these guys are out trying to make a living apposed to sitting on their welfare butt collecting unemployment.

what are we on the play ground? this post was and is about TG pay scale not one word was said about larry. larry comes on this post and starts into ric. but when ric does something like this on larry's post he cries like alittle ***** to mike.....

jasontimm
07-26-2011, 12:52 PM
what are we on the play ground? this post was and is about TG pay scale not one word was said about larry. larry comes on this post and starts into ric. but when ric does something like this on larry's post he cries like alittle ***** to mike.....

4th entry on this thread, last sentence.....however it could be over your head.

gregory
07-26-2011, 02:44 PM
4th entry on this thread, last sentence.....however it could be over your head.

"""YOU ARE AWFULLY THIN SKINNED IF YOU THINK THAT WAS DIRECTED AT LARRY""" Iowa is the heart of fly over country and all the comics make fun of it.

americanlawn
07-26-2011, 08:01 PM
I understand the bottom line of the thread >> hard to make a decent living (especially if one does not have a spouse who works). I just don't like the constant & unnecessary criticism that TruGreen receives on this site. (BTW it's now called TruGreen) IMO our local TruGreen branch does a very fine job of treating lawns (their salesmen are another matter).

I know several local TruGreen techs, and they're all good guys who work very hard. I also know the pay structure for TG spray techs in my state. The majority of their pay is based upon weekly productivity -- this is how TG gets by without paying overtime. (most states as well)

"Truck driver, not a tech".... I don't like that kind of talk. (thanks young bros & jason)

gregory, I never mentioned what TruGreen charges.

I talked to a TruGreen tech yesterday in Pleasant Hill when he was getting ready to unload a T3000. He was sweating just like me (105 heat index). To disrespect fellow lawn guys and referring to them as "truck drivers" is disrespectful -- especially with the heat & humidity we are ALL dealing with right now.

Nuther thing >>>> ALL of my guys wave or say hi to ALL local competitors. It makes us feel good, and we also make friends. Life is too short to do otherwise.

Trying to dig apart somebody elses pay might be interesting, but on the other hand...... just think if somebody did that to YOU

Ric
07-26-2011, 08:32 PM
I understand the bottom line of the thread >> hard to make a decent living (especially if one does not have a spouse who works). I just don't like the constant & unnecessary criticism that TruGreen receives on this site. (BTW it's now called TruGreen) IMO our local TruGreen branch does a very fine job of treating lawns (their salesmen are another matter).

I know several local TruGreen techs, and they're all good guys who work very hard. I also know the pay structure for TG spray techs in my state. The majority of their pay is based upon weekly productivity -- this is how TG gets by without paying overtime. (most states as well)

"Truck driver, not a tech".... I don't like that kind of talk. (thanks young bros & jason)

gregory, I never mentioned what TruGreen charges.

I talked to a TruGreen tech yesterday in Pleasant Hill when he was getting ready to unload a T3000. He was sweating just like me (105 heat index). To disrespect fellow lawn guys and referring to them as "truck drivers" is disrespectful -- especially with the heat & humidity we are ALL dealing with right now.

Nuther thing >>>> ALL of my guys wave or say hi to ALL local competitors. It makes us feel good, and we also make friends. Life is too short to do otherwise.

Trying to dig apart somebody elses pay might be interesting, but on the other hand...... just think if somebody did that to YOU


Larry

Wake up and get with the program. TG/CL has been getting trashed on this site long before you jointed. If you want to stick up for TG/CL, then recognize your are one of a very few who doesn't think their work and work ethic sucks.

Service 1st Lawn Care
07-26-2011, 08:44 PM
I talked to a long time TG teech a month ago, he's got a T. He does 6k per week in revenue and he gets 5% commision back to 0 dallors plus his base. Wouldn't say his base but I would assume close to 500 per week, 10 yrs plus exp with TG. He does all the dirt cheap commercial properties. They have to do them half price here to get them cause everyone knows TG is awesome here. Lol lol
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The only problem I see is the guy is making 6K a week with a T. way under performing with a Z he should be pulling at least 7or8K a week.:laugh: That's for Larry LOL

americanlawn
07-26-2011, 09:38 PM
I hear ya Ric. I figure some TruGreen locations probably suck, but the one here has been a well-oiled machine eversinse the new manager (swell guy) arrived a few years back. TG's weed control is as good or often times a little better that what we do, except we do 5 apps compared to their 7. Yet we kill creeping Charlie, and they don't. Oh well.

Service - our TG location has no Z's, but they certainly could make use of 'one' cuz they treat a couple of football fields. :laugh::laugh: I've noticed their T's use are 2008 models. Kinda surprised they haven't upgraded & added more units yet. I went bowling with Chad (branch manager) - said he only gets what "corporate" sends him. He does a swell job with the tools he has at hand. I would not want his job.

Nice post Ric. I see where you're coming from. IMO lawn jocks need a spouse that also works for a living. That way the wife/girlfriend stays in shape rather than spending money & getting fat. :laugh:

Ric
07-26-2011, 10:24 PM
I hear ya Ric. I figure some TruGreen locations probably suck, but the one here has been a well-oiled machine eversinse the new manager (swell guy) arrived a few years back. TG's weed control is as good or often times a little better that what we do, except we do 5 apps compared to their 7. Yet we kill creeping Charlie, and they don't. Oh well.

Service - our TG location has no Z's, but they certainly could make use of 'one' cuz they treat a couple of football fields. :laugh::laugh: I've noticed their T's use are 2008 models. Kinda surprised they haven't upgraded & added more units yet. I went bowling with Chad (branch manager) - said he only gets what "corporate" sends him. He does a swell job with the tools he has at hand. I would not want his job.

Nice post Ric. I see where you're coming from. IMO lawn jocks need a spouse that also works for a living. That way the wife/girlfriend stays in shape rather than spending money & getting fat. :laugh:


Larry

A well oiled machine is a matter of opinion. I am sure you are comparing your local TG/CL to your own operation when you say it is well oiled.



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jasontimm
07-27-2011, 10:27 AM
"""YOU ARE AWFULLY THIN SKINNED IF YOU THINK THAT WAS DIRECTED AT LARRY""" Iowa is the heart of fly over country and all the comics make fun of it.

Ya...O.K Greg. :laugh:

americanlawn
07-27-2011, 07:23 PM
Okay Ric -- you got me on that one. :laugh:

Ric
07-27-2011, 08:59 PM
Okay Ric -- you got me on that one. :laugh:

Larry

Who tipped you off??

americanlawn
07-27-2011, 09:05 PM
It was my local Fluid Film rep. :laugh::laugh:

Ric
07-27-2011, 09:29 PM
It was my local Fluid Film rep. :laugh::laugh:

Larry

So you were well greased and ready.