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4 seasons lawn&land
07-31-2011, 09:39 PM
What are the latest model GM and Dodge diesels that dont have the difficult emissions junk? Can the stuff be easily deleted from the newer trucks after warranty runs out?

mybowtie
08-02-2011, 04:57 PM
,07 and up have the DPF..Except the 07 gm classic, they are emission free

The '11 GM have the DPF and DEF. not sure if the '10 have the DEF??

IIRC Dodge '10 and up cab and chassis have the DEF but the pick ups dont untill '12

The DPF can be deleted easly with a programer and exhaust..Not sure on the DEF thou

ProTouch Groundscapes
08-04-2011, 01:33 PM
deleted the dpf on my 09 ford 6.4 and its like i put a new motor in there. just completely changes the truck for the better. got a mod friendly dealer though...

ClassicLawnCareInc
08-04-2011, 10:30 PM
For the 07 dodges its only the second halfof 07's. I have an 07 Dodge ram with a 5.9 liter deisel no emmisions.

SMSnyder
08-08-2011, 11:03 PM
I have a 07.5 Cummins 6.7, deleted and it's awesome. I'm almost positive EVERY new diesel can be deleted. I know H&S performance makes delete tuners for all of the new diesels.

PlantscapeSolutions
08-09-2011, 02:21 AM
The Dodges went with DPF's in 2007.5 when they switched to the 6.7. I have an 09 that is deleted. I used the Smarty with the ME (Middle East) software to turn off the emissions. I also have an Airdog to supply the injectors with pure diesel. I did the 5" turbo back exhaust with an Edge CT gauge for monitoring EGT's, and boost.

The Cummins engine in the Ram is made by the largest Diesel engine manufacturer in the world. The 6.7 is certified for rebuild intervals of 300,000 miles which beats both GM & Ford. The pistons, block, rods, and just about everything is built stronger in the Cummins. There are guys getting 1000 horsepower out of modified 6.7's with stock internals. Try this with a Ford or GM and you will bend rods and break all kinds of things.
The Duramax is not a bad engine and is a world better then a 6.0 or 6.4 Ford with an International engine under the hood. But the Duramax has had a few issues that make it not quite as durable as the Cummins.

Ford has a brand new untested 6.7 engine that I think you'd be crazy to buy just yet. There are a lot of guys who have actually removed the International engine in their Ford and replaced it with a Cummins. They love the Ford truck but hate the engines.

7.3 Rocket
08-09-2011, 08:18 PM
The 6.7 Cummins is having all kinds of problems due to the emissions equipment.

You can eliminate any emissions equipment you want. It's just a matter of 1: getting it to pass your local emissions/inspection requirements if applicable 2: Are you willing to pay the $10,000+ fines if you are caught with your emissions equipment removed?

It just takes time and money to remove emissions equipment. Just gotta find the right people to do it or teach you how.

4 seasons lawn&land
08-09-2011, 09:55 PM
10k fine? Any back up info on that?

PlantscapeSolutions
08-10-2011, 01:56 AM
The 6.7 Cummins is having all kinds of problems due to the emissions equipment.

You can eliminate any emissions equipment you want. It's just a matter of 1: getting it to pass your local emissions/inspection requirements if applicable 2: Are you willing to pay the $10,000+ fines if you are caught with your emissions equipment removed?

It just takes time and money to remove emissions equipment. Just gotta find the right people to do it or teach you how.

Dodge & Cummins were the first one to bite the bullet and meet 2010 emissions requirements back in 2007.5. They had some challenges and many software updates were required to get the DPF dialed in.

There are some oil field hot shot guys with over 300K on their trucks now with no problems. Longevity is still proving to be very good. The people having problems are a small minority. One of the nice things about the Cummins is that no DEF fluid is required just yet. With Ford and Duramax you've got to stock up on DEF. If you run out the truck goes into limp mode and will operate at half power.

Here in Texas there are no inspections for the emissions stuff on light duty Diesels unless they have a commercial registration. My 09' 3500 has no emissions equipment on it and it is registered as commercial because I own trailers that put my GCWR over 26,000. Lets just say I know a guy.

I picked up 2 mpg by deleting all my emissions stuff. I spent about $2500 doing some emissions and performance work to my truck. In less then 100,000 miles I'll get my investment back and start saving money. There are many thousands of deleted truck running around the country. The Ford & Duramax guys can stop using DEF if they do a delete which gives them an even bigger reason to delete.

PlantscapeSolutions
08-10-2011, 02:09 AM
I have a 07.5 Cummins 6.7, deleted and it's awesome. I'm almost positive EVERY new diesel can be deleted. I know H&S performance makes delete tuners for all of the new diesels.

I went the Smarty ME route and love it. I had a Smarty on my 02' as well. Just don't push your luck with the higher HP tunes with a stock tranny. I don't run higher then the 65 HP setting.

With a 5" TBE you can really hear the exhaust brake. When it kicks in the truck sounds like an M1 tank. I did an Airdog to make sure my fuel filtration was pure and free of entrained air.

I'd love to do a Suncoast Comp Trans but the $9000 price is hard to hide from my wife.

PlantscapeSolutions
08-10-2011, 02:11 AM
,07 and up have the DPF..Except the 07 gm classic, they are emission free

The '11 GM have the DPF and DEF. not sure if the '10 have the DEF??

IIRC Dodge '10 and up cab and chassis have the DEF but the pick ups dont untill '12

The DPF can be deleted easly with a programer and exhaust..Not sure on the DEF thou

You can ditch the DEF as well.

J&R Landscaping
08-10-2011, 11:13 PM
California is harder on the fines. I've heard a few people in other states getting hit for $2500 fines though.. Check any of the diesel forums for more info...

The h&s tuners (I think spartan as well) can delete the dpf as well as the DEF systems.

PlantscapeSolutions
08-11-2011, 12:47 AM
California is harder on the fines. I've heard a few people in other states getting hit for $2500 fines though.. Check any of the diesel forums for more info...

The h&s tuners (I think spartan as well) can delete the dpf as well as the DEF systems.

I'm a member of the Cummins Forum & Turbo Diesel Registry and the CA guys have said they now have emissions testing as well. A lot of guys who have had modded trucks from the 90's or later have problems. In CA your performance parts had better be CARB approved or your going to have problems. I guess this is why half of CA has moved to Texas!

NEUSWEDE
08-11-2011, 07:46 AM
10k fine? Any back up info on that?

I know the DOT has started checking thruck for emissions because so many people are taking it off. They are doing fines like they do if you caught running red fuel and the fine is based upon miles. I am was going to do the DPF delete but after hearing of someone getting poked I dedcided it wasn't worth it.

PlantscapeSolutions
08-11-2011, 09:19 AM
I know the DOT has started checking thruck for emissions because so many people are taking it off. They are doing fines like they do if you caught running red fuel and the fine is based upon miles. I am was going to do the DPF delete but after hearing of someone getting poked I dedcided it wasn't worth it.

I'm originally from Main but live in Texas now. I remember as a kid your bumper heights and tire sizes were limited. Maine is very conservative with truck rules. The police stopped my friend in high school and made him lower his air shocks on his hot rodded Volare because the bumper was too high.

Here in Texas you can have 44" tires and over a foot of lift on your truck. Every now and then you will see truck going down the road that looks like it belongs at a show crushing cars. The state troopers in Maine would crap in their pants if they saw some of these trucks on the road in Maine.

I'm guessing Mass Diesel is your your closest true diesel hot rod shop. You should ask the guy at Mass Diesel if he has done very many deletes for guys from Maine. The Diesel truck market in Maine is pretty small but you find out the guy in Mass has done a bunch of deletes.

Before I did my deletes I went to the local inspection place and just asked the guy if they were supposed to even look for the emissions stuff. I was surprised when he told me that they are not required to check for gas or Diesel emissions equipment in Buda, TX. In Austin right next to us they do gas emissions testing but not here in Buda just a few miles away.

For commercial trucks that are registered to haul a GCWR of over 26,000 your are supposed to have your emissions equipment intact. I recently got my CDL and had to get a commercial inspection but let's just say I know a guy so it wasn't a problem.

SMSnyder
08-12-2011, 12:00 AM
$2,500 max fine for a personal vehicle, and the article I read said a company with deleted rigs would be fined severely but didn't say $$ amount.

7.3 Rocket
08-12-2011, 12:23 AM
I'll be honest I was just repeating what I was told by a buddy of mine who works at a Ford dealer.

A quick google search led me to this article.

http://www.mycarlady.com/2010/09/17/epa-fines-dpf-delete-users/

PlantscapeSolutions
08-13-2011, 02:48 AM
Most DPF delete shops make you sign a waiver stating that your truck is for off road use only. This gets the shop off the hook since the emissions stuff is only required for on road use. When you purchase a tuner that is intended for deleting even the manufacturer may require a waiver for liability reasons.

I think either Bullydog or Superchips may have gotten worried and just recently ceased production of all DPF delete related products.