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cariboulou
08-18-2011, 10:10 PM
My employee complained about my Exmark 32" pouring gas from the carb. It has a Kawi 12.5 hp on it. I took it from him and found that there is a LOT of gas mixed with oil coming from the exhaust port. I took carb assembly off and took off a cover with a breather of some sort to expose both valve springs and seals I think. There was a lot of gas and oil mixture there too. I checked the dipstick and it is very low on oil and smelled like fuel. What do you guys think is the main issue here? Should I look at piston rings or valves or valve seals, etc... Thanks in advanced for any help.

Lou

topsites
08-19-2011, 12:32 AM
The only thing I know for sure is you can not run it at all
or you will tear it to pieces with fuel in the gas.

Now I was thinking head gasket but it's out of my area of expertise.
However...

If it's pouring gas from the carburetor it could be as simple a thing as the float being stuck open,
letting the fuel flow through after the bowl fills up will get it to mix with the oil...
Oddly enough that would also make it difficult to start and fuel would spit out of the muffler initially as well,
plus it would leak fuel throughout the night, you might take another look at it in the morning and see...

Gianninilandscaping
08-19-2011, 12:47 AM
i would drain the oil, take the carb off inspect the float and see if it has gas in it. if not i would replace the needel and seat and put it back together and put the drain plug in, ( do not fill oil or run machine) turn the fuel valve to open and leave it sit overnight in the morning take the drain plug out and see if any gas comes out of the crank case, if not put oil in it and your ready to start cutting. if gas comes out that meens that the float could be bad and replace it...

Mark Oomkes
08-19-2011, 07:46 AM
Just had this on an old Kohler, needed a new carb assembly and an oil change.

All is good. Except the pocketbook. But, the mower is 7 years old, so I guess I can live with a new carb.

White Gardens
08-19-2011, 08:44 AM
My employee complained about my Exmark 32" pouring gas from the carb. It has a Kawi 12.5 hp on it. I took it from him and found that there is a LOT of gas mixed with oil coming from the exhaust port. I took carb assembly off and took off a cover with a breather of some sort to expose both valve springs and seals I think. There was a lot of gas and oil mixture there too. I checked the dipstick and it is very low on oil and smelled like fuel. What do you guys think is the main issue here? Should I look at piston rings or valves or valve seals, etc... Thanks in advanced for any help.

Lou

Never really messed with a Kawi on repairs, but it sounds like there is a seal between the carb and block that is shot and allowing fuel to get in there.

...

Restrorob
08-19-2011, 12:03 PM
i would drain the oil, take the carb off inspect the float and see if it has gas in it. if not i would replace the needel and seat and put it back together and put the drain plug in, ( do not fill oil or run machine) turn the fuel valve to open and leave it sit overnight in the morning take the drain plug out and see if any gas comes out of the crank case, if not put oil in it and your ready to start cutting. if gas comes out that meens that the float could be bad and replace it...


^^^^^^^^^^^ Has the winning answer...... :clapping:

cariboulou
08-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Well sort of followed Gianni's advice. Drained all oil/fuel from engine, even lifted it up sideways! Took carb apart cleaned with carb cleaner and compressed air, but I refilled oil and new filter and reinstalled everything. Seem to start ok, and smoked a little probably due to leftover fuel/oil in exhaust system. Will run for a little bit more and check oil level tomorrow. Cant really smell if any gas is on dipstick since oil is brand new. Wish I had read this before I did oil change, but no worries hopefully the carb was the problem. BTW, there was fuel in the fuel bowl but the carb didnt look really dirty. I cleaned the needle and i unscrewed the Jet?, the thing in the center of the carb and you can unscrew with a slotted screwdriver and made sure tiny hole in center was clean. How do you clean the seat, where the needle goes into?

piston slapper
08-19-2011, 01:52 PM
Use a Q-tip with carb cleaner on it to clean the seat.

cariboulou
08-19-2011, 01:52 PM
actually just got done draining oil again,but not filter, and going to see if there is gas in crankcase tomorrow. thanks for the advice, hope this does the trick!

Gianninilandscaping
08-19-2011, 06:54 PM
glad it worked for you... try to trailer the machines with the fuel shut off... i have a lot of problems with customers at my work (equipment rental place, my full time job) not shutting the gas off then its bouncing around on the trailer and the float bounces up and down and floods the motor then you go to pull it over and it just locks up if theres enough gas in the cylinder... i always shut my machines gas valve off when i put it on the trailer and let it run when i get the trimmer and start the trimmer then i shut the mower off. saves a lot of time pulling the plug and wasting gas

Gianninilandscaping
08-19-2011, 06:55 PM
thanks for agreeing RESTROROB...

taxidermist
08-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Just had the same thing.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=359252

Hope this helps.

Rob

topsites
08-20-2011, 12:44 AM
I'll give you that my answer wasn't the best, but then I don't ever have this problem.
No, and I used to have this problem years ago, but not anymore.
Not at all.

Here is why:

glad it worked for you... try to trailer the machines with the fuel shut off... i have a lot of problems with customers at my work (equipment rental place, my full time job) not shutting the gas off then its bouncing around on the trailer and the float bounces up and down and floods the motor then you go to pull it over and it just locks up if theres enough gas in the cylinder... i always shut my machines gas valve off when i put it on the trailer and let it run when i get the trimmer and start the trimmer then i shut the mower off. saves a lot of time pulling the plug and wasting gas

Yup, always turn the fuel petcock to the off position anytime the machine is shut down.

Doing that also saves a lot of oil and filter money, but you won't realize this cost until about the third time you find yourself changing it.
Remember, oil is about $4 a quart, a mower takes two, add another $4 for the oil filter.
Plus labor, $15-$20 a pop, do that three times in a month.

You may even think once your carburetor is fixed up good that it won't happen no more.
Think again.

cariboulou
08-22-2011, 11:20 AM
I will follow this advice, we only use the walk behind for like 4 or 5 backyards anyways. Thanks for the advice guys, I appreciate it!

Gianninilandscaping
08-22-2011, 06:50 PM
any time man... your welcome