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Cleve
08-29-2011, 09:54 PM
I have a Toro 36" walk-behind that I've used on and off since new in 1990. This is still a great mower and I intend to keep it as long as possible. The mower has a recoil start and it works O.K.. I really would like to add a electric starter to it. I don't want all the electrics that would normally be needed. I just want to add the starter to the engine. I'm going to add a battery and a switch to start the engine. I intend to recharge the battery only as needed with my charger.
I really would like to find the needed part number for the correct starter motor. I got plenty of parts manuals and parts list for the original engine but nothing that shows an electric starter or part number. I do know this engine was available and the flywheel is toothed for it. The block has the bolt holes for it.
The engine is the Kohler model no. CV14T-1412. Kohler command 14HP.
I would appreciate any info.
Cleve.

Restrorob
08-29-2011, 11:16 PM
Cleve,

This should work; http://tewarehouse.com/MZ-2015




http://www.iol.ie/~gtir/misc/food/dinner.gif

dutch1
08-29-2011, 11:22 PM
Late again, but check NAPA #5770 as well.

Cleve
08-30-2011, 07:53 AM
Thanks for the help.
I did notice that the Tulsa engine warehouse unit has 13 teeth and the NAPA unit has 11 teeth. Is this a major problem?
Since I have a NAPA close It would help if I just picked it up.

Restrorob
08-30-2011, 08:07 AM
The 11 teeth will be a smaller diameter gear. Hold the starter to the side of the block, look down on top of the flywheel to see if the teeth will mesh if it were to engage.....

dutch1
08-30-2011, 09:21 AM
NAPA's website does show #5770 with an 11 tooth bendix. I didn't check their website last night, referring only to their 2007 hard copy catalog, which does show a 13 tooth. The catalog crosses the #5770 to Kohler numbers 12 098 22 as well as the last two numbers of 04, 08 and 13. It's certainly a discrepency that needs to be resolved with NAPA if you go that route.

In addition, you should check NAPA's price. The price I see is considerably more than TEW's price w/shipping. NAPA can have it next day, with no shipping cost, if it's stocked in one of the warehouses serving your dealer.
TEW provides good delivery times as well.

Cleve
08-30-2011, 11:09 AM
Thanks again.
And, looks like I'll be ordering the one from TEW. NAPA's price is $125 and TEW has theirs on sale for $65. Even with shipping will save quite a bit. And as this is kinda experimental will be easier to justify.
By the way, do you know the bolt size for these? I'm pretty sure it is 5/16" but not sure of thread.

piston slapper
08-30-2011, 11:28 AM
The bolts are metric
M8 x 1.25 thread
Everything on the engine is metric.

rwaters
08-30-2011, 01:23 PM
NAPA's website does show #5770 with an 11 tooth bendix. I didn't check their website last night, referring only to their 2007 hard copy catalog, which does show a 13 tooth. The catalog crosses the #5770 to Kohler numbers 12 098 22 as well as the last two numbers of 04, 08 and 13. It's certainly a discrepency that needs to be resolved with NAPA if you go that route.

In addition, you should check NAPA's price. The price I see is considerably more than TEW's price w/shipping. NAPA can have it next day, with no shipping cost, if it's stocked in one of the warehouses serving your dealer.
TEW provides good delivery times as well.

that is why I always recommend going to a dealer NAPA does not care about your lawnmower they sell car parts.

Cleve
08-30-2011, 01:41 PM
I ordered it from TEW. Only problem I have with them is that they don't have a phone order system. You have to use the web site. I did try the live chat but only thing I learned from them is that my engine doesn't show any electric start parts. LOL......:) I just wanted to see if they had a reference to my engine.
Sure hope it fits anyway as otherwise I'll have to return and pay 15% restocking fee (and shipping).
I haven't worked with those folks before so will be a new place to try.
Thanks again for everybody's help.

Cleve
08-30-2011, 07:00 PM
Cleve,

This should work; http://tewarehouse.com/MZ-2015




http://www.iol.ie/~gtir/misc/food/dinner.gif

Thanks again for the info, and already have e-mail indicating starter shipped (of course I know that means tomorrow) but fast anyway. I do like doing business with companies that quick.

Cleve
09-10-2011, 07:09 PM
Cleve,

This should work; http://tewarehouse.com/MZ-2015




http://www.iol.ie/~gtir/misc/food/dinner.gif


Update, and many thanks.
I've just been taking my time as this was just an attempt to keep this mower going a while longer. Has actually been kinda fun adding the electric starter. I know the mower didn't come with it (not sure if it was even an option back in 1990), but since it had the opening on the housing and has the toothed flywheel, I figure it could be added.
I picked up a panel mount starter button at Advance Auto and just happened to have a new HD solenoid that had never been opened. I even made a metal box to mount a plastic battery box in. I found a new o.e.m. starter cover on ebay and it fits perfectly.
Pushed the button and it fired up the first time.
I have always really liked this mower and enjoyed cutting with it. The only problem I've ever had was starting with the recoil starter. Multiple new recoil starters and parts over the years.
One final question, the starter housing is really close to the muffler. Probably less than 1/4" to the corner edge of the muffler. I did happen to have a section of silicone wrapped fiberglass insulation designed to wrap a steam pipe that fit the starter almost perfectly. I fit a 6" or so section over the starter. Do you think the heat from the muffler will be a problem?

fixer67
09-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Try this site
http://www.dbelectrical.com/

http://www.dbelectrical.com/c-2340-kohler-engines.aspx

Cleve
09-10-2011, 09:00 PM
Try this site
http://www.dbelectrical.com/

http://www.dbelectrical.com/c-2340-kohler-engines.aspx

Say, when I get to those sites what am I looking for?
I've got the mower all ready to go with push button electric start. My only issue now is the question about having the starter so close to the muffler. I'm sure there is a Kohler muffler out there that mounts differently but I'm not going to spend the $100 to $200 to get it. I'd like to believe just being close to one of the corners of the muffler isn't a real problem.

Restrorob
09-10-2011, 09:26 PM
I'd like to believe just being close to one of the corners of the muffler isn't a real problem.


It isn't Cleve.....


From what I see this is your muffler;

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m314/Restrorob/Kohler/CV14Muffler.jpg


Kohler has this muffler listed in their accessory catalog, It's got more muffler surface near the starter;

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m314/Restrorob/Kohler/CV14Muffler2.jpg


After seeing this and pricing other mufflers (I can buy a entire exhaust system for my Jeep for less) I wouldn't worry about it......

Cleve
09-10-2011, 09:48 PM
And thanks again.
The first picture does look like mine.
I'll run it a while and just see how hot the starter actually gets. I might even be able to remove the insulating sleeve that i put on.

fixer67
09-11-2011, 12:47 AM
Can you post some pictures of the set up you have. That may help us understand the problem better

Cleve
09-11-2011, 10:21 AM
Here are a couple pictures.
I had to make a metal box to put the battery box in on the side frame.
The picture of the starter shows the insulation sleeve actually touching the muffler. The insulation is a woven fiberglass tube coated with silicone. I assume I can just remove that if it doesn't get too hot after running for a while.

ed2hess
09-11-2011, 05:58 PM
Try this site
http://www.dbelectrical.com/

http://www.dbelectrical.com/c-2340-kohler-engines.aspx

Lets see I paid $155 for a Kohler starter 2509811 and at you second web site it would be around $68:confused: