New Compact Tractor Advice

[SouthSide Cutter]

Been looking at new tractors around 30hp. Looked at Kubota and JD. Friend has a 4310 I would buy in a minute but he is undecided. Looked at the rear ends on some and dont like the way they look. Axle housing on the 3000 series JD and 3200 Kubota look like what I want. Dont like the looks of the 2000 series JD and the Kubota's that have a narrow rear end something like 4 wheelers have. Just have a long axle to the wheel.
Anybody have any and had any trouble. Also have a chance to get a 790 JD. I want a front loader, box scraper, blade, finish and bush hog. Gear drive or Hydro makes no difference to me but prefer JD or Kubota.

[Ridin' Green]

Get the Deere. Kubota makes nice stuff, and they are wll known for being tough, but, most of the time, a JD will have features that the Kubota won't have for another 3-4 years down the road on same year machines. One thing that comes to mind is the side by side hydro pedals on the Deere instead of the stupid treddle peddle, and also many machines with hydros have the turning brakes on the same side as the hydro pedals which makes them totally useless unless you have two right feet. JD tractors normally have as high, or higher lift capacities for their 3 pt hitches as anyone on the market. Some compacts are now coming with lift capacities that beat some of Deere's machines, but it's for show only, because none of them can run any of the implements that require more lift capcity than what comes std on a Deere anyways. Either it will be too heavy for the size of the machine, or too much for the pto power being turned out by it. Deere does their homework when it comes to utility tractors on up in size.

I have owned 3 different Deere com ut's now. The first was a 4110, followed by a 4500, and right now my 4115 which is great machine. The 4500 was a serious tractor, and I had lots of attachments for it as I have had for the other two.

Both my 4110, and this 4115 have more lift capacity at the 3 pt than a 790, but the 790 turns in slightly more PTO HP. PTO hp is one of the most important things on a com ut, and not all are measured the same way. I know for sure that Deere's rated engine hp, and PTO hp are both set to match the tractors 540 rpm pto rated speed, which means you'll be getting maximum engine and pto performance when running your pto at the speed indicated on the tac. Some other machines don't always do that, so a tractor rated for say 35 PTO hp at 2600 rpm's may have a PTO that is rated to turn in 540 rpm's at say 2200 engine rpm's. You're not getting full power like that- maybe closer to 26-28 hp at the PTO instead of the 35 advertsied at rated engine rpms.

The 790 is a darn good machine, but it is gear drive only, and has a dry drive clutch vs wet pto/engine clutches on the 4310 as well as the new 2000/3000/4000 series.

Another thing is both my 4110 and 4115 while smaller in size overall, and a little lighter than the 790 both have higher front loader lift capacities too, due to better hydraulics. The 790 was in the budget price category, while all of the older 4000 (and the newer 2/3/4000 series as well) were/are Deere's premium category machines. The 790 is great, but the 4310 is a few steps above all the way around. If you can get it, do it!

[SouthSide Cutter]

The 4310 only has 286hrs and he quoted me around 12000 if he was going to sell it. He wanted to get a bigger one. It has the nice loader on it also. I thought the price was good just wish he would make up his mind. The 790 has a loader, finish mower, box scraper, blade and bushhog. He has marriage trouble but hasnt priced it yet. The gear drive doesnt bother me, thats all I ever run when I was younger and helped some friends farm.

[Ridin' Green]

That's a darn good price on the 4310 if the condition matches the low hours. The 4310 also has a 3 range transmission vs the 2 range on the 790.
I don't mind gear tranny's either as long as they have wet clutches, and/or I don't have a lot of back and forth motions to make like you do in loader work. For that kind of operation, a hydro or shuttleshift of some type is far superior. My 4500 had the JD Pow'r Reverser trans in it. That is the ne plus ultra in a compact ut. The benefit of a rugged planetary trans, with nearly the ease of use of a hydro. it wasn't like most other shuttle shifts either- no clutching what so ever to go from forward to reverse. Just flip a lever on the dash up or down. I could shift on the fly from gear to gear too. The 4310's were available with a 9F/3R, 12F12R Pow'r reverser, or the hydro transmissions. If his has the Pow'r Reverser, that's really a good thing.

Like I said, the 790's are great little tractors, but the 4310 is a much better machine all the way around- hp, hydraulic capcities for front and rear implements, etc. The 790's dry clutch and no shift on the fly all take away from it's performance when trying to manuever in tight quarters or when easing into an area.

Take him over the 12K and see if he doesn't get up off the fence. Better to sell to you, than have her lawyer (if it comes to that) force him to hand it over to her.

[lawn king]

There is a reason the rental companys use kubotas. They are indestructible!

[Ridin' Green]

There is a reason the rental companys use kubotas. They are indestructible!

Maybe in your immediate area, but looked at nationally the rental yards are fairly evenly split. Kubota's are cheaper to buy new, but like I said, they usually are a few years behind in technology (or features) than a Deere. Both are well made machines, and would serve anyone well for a lifetime if taken care of.

[Ducati996]

Been looking at new tractors around 30hp. Looked at Kubota and JD. Friend has a 4310 I would buy in a minute but he is undecided. Looked at the rear ends on some and dont like the way they look. Axle housing on the 3000 series JD and 3200 Kubota look like what I want. Dont like the looks of the 2000 series JD and the Kubota's that have a narrow rear end something like 4 wheelers have. Just have a long axle to the wheel.
Anybody have any and had any trouble. Also have a chance to get a 790 JD. I want a front loader, box scraper, blade, finish and bush hog. Gear drive or Hydro makes no difference to me but prefer JD or Kubota.

Your comparing different sized machines - mid size vs small frame CUTs....of course the mid sized 3000 will look and is beefier in design....

30 HP gives you in the area of 20 to 23 HP PTO power.....whats your needs or attachment size? The JD 3000 is more feature rich and better hydraulics, tranny than the Kubota 3200...its JD premium models, priced accordingly...

as for Kubota not having identical features or 3-4 years away in high end features, is a total fabrication and useless made up facts.....I would ignore that crap.....you would be doing yourself a disservice not looking at the line and understanding the difference in models.....

Having both green and orange gives me a better world view than green only sun glasses

JD 25xx series is very strong and so is Kubotas B series of similar models....weakness in the rear end isnt an issue, and likely no stated case of failure unless massive abuse....however you haven't clearly defined your needs, sized implements....maybe that sized classes isnt big enough and you need 25 pto to 30 pto instead (medium frame sized CUTs)

[Ducati996]

Maybe in your immediate area, but looked at nationally the rental yards are fairly evenly split. Kubota's are cheaper to buy new, but like I said, they usually are a few years behind in technology (or features) than a Deere. Both are well made machines, and would serve anyone well for a lifetime if taken care of.

they arent behind in anyway, i wish you would stop thumping your chest with this useless opinion....

they are also equally expensive in most areas....

[Ducati996]

There is a reason the rental companys use kubotas. They are indestructible!

Deere dropped out of the TLB market completely......not by coincidence either.....the model lineup offered by Kubota was impossible to compete with

B21, B26, L39,L45, M59....impressive

not sure what leaf this other guy is smoking, but nationwide as the JD 110 gets obsoleted, they get replaced by Kubota..... FACT! and they are very feature rich and not behing in anway!

[Ridin' Green]

Deere dropped out of the TLB market completely......not by coincidence either.....the model lineup offered by Kubota was impossible to compete with

B21, B26, L39,L45, M59....impressive

not sure what leaf this other guy is smoking, but nationwide as the JD 110 gets obsoleted, they get replaced by Kubota..... FACT! and they are very feature rich and not behing in anway!

I don't appreciate the dope smoking analogy, or implying tha I wear "green colored glasses" that blind me to the truth. I know my tractors. It's my passion, and the fact is that Deere will come out with features that Case/ New Holland and Kubota try to better, and it usually takes about 3-4 years to do, but about a year later Deere does it again. It's been this way for a long time now. I look at new machines every year from all of them.

SSC isn't asking about a dedicated TLB either kackass. he's asking about compact ut's. maybe you need to read more and type less.

Until fairly recently, Kubota used ry clutches in all oftheir tractors-even their flagship grand L series. That's a pretty big minus IMO. Deere has been using wet clutches for their drive system for well over a decade.

[Ducati996]

I don't appreciate the dope smoking analogy, or implying tha I wear "green colored glasses" that blind me to the truth. I know my tractors. It's my passion, and the fact is that Deere will come out with features that Case/ New Holland and Kubota try to better, and it usually takes about 3-4 years to do, but about a year later Deere does it again. It's been this way for a long time now. I look at new machines every year from all of them.

SSC isn't asking about a dedicated TLB either kackass. he's asking about compact ut's. maybe you need to read more and type less.

Until fairly recently, Kubota used ry clutches in all oftheir tractors-even their flagship grand L series. That's a pretty big minus IMO. Deere has been using wet clutches for their drive system for well over a decade.

You brought up the commercial rentals (i.e) commercial rentals are now stocked with Kubota, not Deere these days...utility companies have them as well....B21 being one of the most popular in that area of under 10k class machines for 10 years, now its the B26

You just making crap up on your facts...you look at new tractors, I like to own them and use them.....Kubota has stronger hydraulic lifting (FEL & 3 pt)ability on most of their compact line over Deere....so much for 3 to 4 years catching up, they surpassed Deere in that area for 7 + years now....

Im glad your passionate about tractors, you certainly need to dress up on real facts, rather than arm chair internet postering....:laugh:

[Ducati996]

Get the Deere. Kubota makes nice stuff, and they are wll known for being tough, but, most of the time, a JD will have features that the Kubota won't have for another 3-4 years down the road on same year machines. One thing that comes to mind is the side by side hydro pedals on the Deere instead of the stupid treddle peddle, and also many machines with hydros have the turning brakes on the same side as the hydro pedals which makes them totally useless unless you have two right feet. JD tractors normally have as high, or higher lift capacities for their 3 pt hitches as anyone on the market. Some compacts are now coming with lift capacities that beat some of Deere's machines, but it's for show only, because none of them can run any of the implements that require more lift capcity than what comes std on a Deere anyways. Either it will be too heavy for the size of the machine, or too much for the pto power being turned out by it. Deere does their homework when it comes to utility tractors on up in size.

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You contradict yourself throughout the entire paragraph.....its really simple, if they have higher lift abilities, then they have higher lift...PERIOD...dont try and make an excuse for it....what it means its more productive, and can and will handle a heavier load...PERIOD....besides higher FEL abilities, they also have higher reach.....I have owned all of deeres 4x10 series, and 2x20 series and Kubotas lift and reach has always been more....move it up on the lines and Deeres 3000 series falls behind compared to Kubotas -

Kubota has been kicking Deere's ass on lift ability for a very long time....your just making excuses with irrational statements...

[DK35vince]

Until fairly recently, Kubota used ry clutches in all oftheir tractors-even their flagship grand L series. That's a pretty big minus IMO. Deere has been using wet clutches for their drive system for well over a decade.
So has Kubota.
I'm sure Kubota has been offering the Glideshift transmission option (with wet clutch) since at least the mid to late 1990's.

[Ridin' Green]

So has Kubota.
I'm sure Kubota has been offering the Glideshift transmission option (with wet clutch) since at least the mid to late 1990's.

Not according to their literature I have right here.

As for making up facts, both of you need to hone up on them.

What I said about Deere having as high or higher lift capacity than anyone else is fact. They had the highest 3 pt lift capacity for a very long time until only a couple years ago, and that again is looking directly at their literature as well as Kubota's and Case/New Holland, up until the 4 thousand 20 Deere series came out and Kubota and several others redsigned their to match or provide more. The lift capacity that Deere had well before any of its competition was the most the was practical and usable for tractors in that weight class, which is why I said that, while some may be more now, they are for show. If more was a necessity and practical/usable do you seriously think that Deere would let their competition stay ahead of them.

Also, another point- I didn't bring up rental equipment, lawn king did. Fact is, at least anywhere around where I live, neither Kubota nor Deere are used by any rental yards. Instead they go with Terex, or JCB which are both far heavier duty than anything from either Kubota or Deere for that purpose.

You guys seem to be getting all butt hurt about this, and start the name calling crap, but the fact is, I never said that Kubota or Case/new Holland are bad machines. They are all pretty nice, but Deere is is usually first with the the inovations. The Pow'r Reverser trans which uses muti pac wet clutches, and requires no clutching to go from forwards to reverse was out well before anything similar from their competion. The twin side by side hydro pedals was out Deere machines well ahead of them being used by their competition. The list goes on. Their competition comes out after a few years with something more, and about a year or so later deere ups the ante again, and that is fact.

The FEL lift capacity for Deere's loader was until very recently well ahead of their competion as well. If you are gonna start spouting off about things at least know what you ar talking about and make sure you are comparing lift capacities at the same point on the FEL, because in looking at the different brochures for al of them, many of Deere's competitors use the pivot pin for capacity while Deere usually show lift cap for the front edge of the bucket. Same goes for the 3 pt, Deere uses 24' behind the pins, while many of their competitors use the lift endss themselves. Not the same thing.

Finally, I do use these machines and have for a long time, and have plenty of hands on experience. When I buy a new machine, I can buy whatever I want, and I go lok at them all to see what's new, and I have always ended up buying a Deere for all of the above reasons.

I'm guessing you both drive orange and that's fine by me, since Kubota makes some good stuff, but at least get your facts straight before you come on here and feel the need to try to defend your choice.

[Ducati996]

Not according to their literature I have right here.

As for making up facts, both of you need to hone up on them.

What I said about Deere having as high or higher lift capacity than anyone else is fact. They had the highest 3 pt lift capacity for a very long time until only a couple years ago, and that again is looking directly at their literature as well as Kubota's and Case/New Holland, up until the 4 thousand 20 Deere series came out and Kubota and several others redsigned their to match or provide more. The lift capacity that Deere had well before any of its competition was the most the was practical and usable for tractors in that weight class, which is why I said that, while some may be more now, they are for show. If more was a necessity and practical/usable do you seriously think that Deere would let their competition stay ahead of them.

Also, another point- I didn't bring up rental equipment, lawn king did. Fact is, at least anywhere around where I live, neither Kubota nor Deere are used by any rental yards. Instead they go with Terex, or JCB which are both far heavier duty than anything from either Kubota or Deere for that purpose.

You guys seem to be getting all butt hurt about this, and start the name calling crap, but the fact is, I never said that Kubota or Case/new Holland are bad machines. They are all pretty nice, but Deere is is usually first with the the inovations. The Pow'r Reverser trans which uses muti pac wet clutches, and requires no clutching to go from forwards to reverse was out well before anything similar from their competion. The twin side by side hydro pedals was out Deere machines well ahead of them being used by their competition. The list goes on. Their competition comes out after a few years with something more, and about a year or so later deere ups the ante again, and that is fact.

The FEL lift capacity for Deere's loader was until very recently well ahead of their competion as well. If you are gonna start spouting off about things at least know what you ar talking about and make sure you are comparing lift capacities at the same point on the FEL, because in looking at the different brochures for al of them, many of Deere's competitors use the pivot pin for capacity while Deere usually show lift cap for the front edge of the bucket. Same goes for the 3 pt, Deere uses 24' behind the pins, while many of their competitors use the lift endss themselves. Not the same thing.

Finally, I do use these machines and have for a long time, and have plenty of hands on experience. When I buy a new machine, I can buy whatever I want, and I go lok at them all to see what's new, and I have always ended up buying a Deere for all of the above reasons.

I'm guessing you both drive orange and that's fine by me, since Kubota makes some good stuff, but at least get your facts straight before you come on here and feel the need to try to defend your choice.

I drive and own both...Kubotas ratings are both Pivot pin and front edge of bucket.....they are all significantly higher than Deeres.....you really need to look at the literature with non green colored glasses again..... Deeres 2x20 series and 3000 series fall behind in lifting ability (FEL & 3pt and breakout)....its been this way for 7 years or more now.....

If Deere is so advanced why dont they offer a 3 speed hydro in the 2x20 series (which was originally the 4x10 series back in 1998 (built by Yanmar).....so much for cutting edge offerings.....all of Kubotas are 3 speed....I guess you missed that MAJOR feature

Your too easy of a target, to bother with this anymore.....:waving::waving:

[DK35vince]

On the Kubota website under Products-prior products- L series tractors they show tractor models with wet clutchs as far back as the late 1980's early 90's. (tractors with GST or a -W were wet clutch)

I do not own a Kubota tractor. But I do not like to see any brand being knocked with misinformation.

[alanauer]

If what you disliked about the appearance of the rear end (usually makes me think of something else) is a too-narrow track, some rears can be reversed to widen it.

The Kioti line offers more features for less money. That might be my next tractor so I've been following owner experiences. Seems that most work as well as the others you're looking at, but the odd one gets problems not easily diagnosed and fixed. So make sure the contract with the dealer protects you, like a loaner if they can't fix with a service call or need it in the shop for a week.

[darryl gesner]

I would go hydro, especially if you're going to put a FEL on it. That way you can have one hand on the loader control and one on the steering wheel. It's also nice for tight manuvering and inching up to your truck/trailer to load.

I have a 1998 JD 855 with FEL, hoe, "York" rake and brush mower. I would recommend getting at least 30HP if you want a full choice of rear implements. My 24HP only has around 20HP at the rear PTO which is a bit light for some implements such as a wood chipper or post hole digger.

[SouthSide Cutter]

If what you disliked about the appearance of the rear end (usually makes me think of something else) is a too-narrow track, some rears can be reversed to widen it.

The Kioti line offers more features for less money. That might be my next tractor so I've been following owner experiences. Seems that most work as well as the others you're looking at, but the odd one gets problems not easily diagnosed and fixed. So make sure the contract with the dealer protects you, like a loaner if they can't fix with a service call or need it in the shop for a week.

If you look at the rear ends from the back. Some have the housing almost to the wheel with a very short axle. And some have a short rear end with a very long axle. They both have the same track width. And on the 2000 JD series the rear end has the funky drop down, not to strong a looking design.
Just want something to till garden, move some rock and dirt and maybe do some bush hogging. L3200 Kubota and the 3032 Deere and older 4310 is what I have in mind that size.

[Ridin' Green]

I drive and own both...Kubotas ratings are both Pivot pin and front edge of bucket.....they are all significantly higher than Deeres.....you really need to look at the literature with non green colored glasses again..... Deeres 2x20 series and 3000 series fall behind in lifting ability (FEL & 3pt and breakout)....its been this way for 7 years or more now.....

If Deere is so advanced why dont they offer a 3 speed hydro in the 2x20 series (which was originally the 4x10 series back in 1998 (built by Yanmar).....so much for cutting edge offerings.....all of Kubotas are 3 speed....I guess you missed that MAJOR feature

Your too easy of a target, to bother with this anymore.....:waving::waving:

Well, since you want to point out specs, and specifiaclly pointed to the 2K20 series Deere, here is a link to two almost identical machines as far as Hp and class goes

the B2620 specs-
http://www.kubota.com/product/B2320/pdf/b_series_spec.pdf


and the Deere 2520 specs-

http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/products/equipment/tractors/compact_utility_tractors/2000_series/2520_4_wheel_drive_tractor/2520_4_Wheel_Drive_Tractor.page?

The 2520 weighs significantly more than the B2620 even though the Kubota has a steel hood and fender pan, and has a higher lift capacity at 24" behind the lift links on the 3pt.

The Deere also has a wet drive clutch vs the dry clutch on the B2620 (though their new website doesn't show that yet. It's in their sales brochures, and grounds care catalogs though, as well as the operator's manual).



As for the 3 range transmission, it's nice to have, and I have had both 2 & 3 range tranny's, but for what the smaller machines are capable of pulling, 2 is plenty of choice. On the larger 3k20 and up, they are all 3 range as well, and always have been.

You can't compare the Grand L 5x4x series to the 4K20 series Deere. Different weight class. You'd have to compare them to the 5000 series Deere tractors feature for feature, like cat 2 3pts etc.

Comparing the L4740 (same weight class/frame size) to the Deere 4720 is a fair cmparison.
L4740 specs-
http://www.kubota.com/product/L40/pdf/gl40_spec.pdf

It has a dry clutch for the drive system as I said before.
It has 260 lbs more lift capacity on the 3pt true, but as I said before, and implement that requires more lift than what Deere chose 13 years ago at 2500 is too much weight for the rear of this weight class of tractor, and why Deere chose that weight back then.

Deere 4720 specs-
http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/products/equipment/tractors/compact_utility_tractors/4000_series/4720_compact_utility_tractor/4720_compact_utility_tractor.page?

The Deere has a much lower rated engine speed which translates into a longer life engine 2400 vs 2700 for the GL 4740

Like I said, get the facts all straight.

Also like I said, they are all good machines, but what Deere comes out with today, Kubota will come out with in a couple years and they usually try to beat Deere. Then the whole cycle starts all over again.

I'll take off the "green glasses", if you'll take off the ones that let you see whatever you want.

[Ridin' Green]

If you look at the rear ends from the back. Some have the housing almost to the wheel with a very short axle. And some have a short rear end with a very long axle. They both have the same track width. And on the 2000 JD series the rear end has the funky drop down, not to strong a looking design.
Just want something to till garden, move some rock and dirt and maybe do some bush hogging. L3200 Kubota and the 3032 Deere and older 4310 is what I have in mind that size.

SSC- I used to feel that way about the dropped axe rear end on the older 4110/4115 and newer 2520/2720 series tractors until I started looking at the really large county road graders my county uses (Champion and Volvo). They have the exact same set up on both of their drive axles. If it's good enough for a machine that size, I figure it'll do for mine too. I have never had any trouble whatsoever with it yet.

I still say that if you can get that 4310, you'll be really happy with it. It's a great tractor, and can do a lot of different things.:)

[alanauer]

DK35: how's it working for you? How many hours so far? What major attachments?

That's what I'm thinking of getting.

[duke12]

Sorry, but kubooty and new holland try to mimick John Deere.
Their are so many more features that are standard on JD plus, features that dont exist.
Fact of the matter is JD is top of the line and top dog when it comes too Tractors.
People that cant afford JD usaully buy kubota or new holland.
Sorry if I offended you guys but its the truth.

[DK35vince]

DK35: how's it working for you? How many hours so far? What major attachments?

That's what I'm thinking of getting.
My DK 35 works very well. I really like it. It has been strong and reliable.
Just under 1600 hours so far.
For attachments I use it to run
6' rototiller
6' boxblade
6' brush mower
7' rear finish mower
7' rear blade
2 bottom plow, post hole digger, 7' front snow plow, Etc.

[DK35vince]

Sorry, but kubooty and new holland try to mimick John Deere.
Their are so many more features that are standard on JD plus, features that dont exist.

What standard features do they have that the others don't ?

[duke12]

What standard features do they have that the others don't ?

digital layout
electric PTO no need to jerk in the PTO clutch
load match
300 cx comes standard with spring loaded bucket arms
less spillage.
the bucket on these loader are very well built. I have yet to wear out the cutting edge on this monster.
FWD is effortless.
Ive owned fords New Holland and Kubota.
New Hollands have a common failure wear the PTO engages and Kubota
FWD takes to much effort to engage. Plus, they both have plane jane instrument panels espesially the Kubota.

[DK35vince]

The Kubota Grand L 40 series have digital layout with the Intel panel
The Grand L's have the HST Plus (load match)
The Grand L's have independant PTO
Extendable lower link arms on the 3 point. Etc.
Sorry I'm still not seeing all the extra standand features your refering too !

[Ducati996]

Well, since you want to point out specs, and specifiaclly pointed to the 2K20 series Deere, here is a link to two almost identical machines as far as Hp and class goes

the B2620 specs-
http://www.kubota.com/product/B2320/pdf/b_series_spec.pdf


and the Deere 2520 specs-

http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/products/equipment/tractors/compact_utility_tractors/2000_series/2520_4_wheel_drive_tractor/2520_4_Wheel_Drive_Tractor.page?

The 2520 weighs significantly more than the B2620 even though the Kubota has a steel hood and fender pan, and has a higher lift capacity at 24" behind the lift links on the 3pt.

The Deere also has a wet drive clutch vs the dry clutch on the B2620 (though their new website doesn't show that yet. It's in their sales brochures, and grounds care catalogs though, as well as the operator's manual).



As for the 3 range transmission, it's nice to have, and I have had both 2 & 3 range tranny's, but for what the smaller machines are capable of pulling, 2 is plenty of choice. On the larger 3k20 and up, they are all 3 range as well, and always have been.


The B2630 and B3030 series are the direct competitor to the 2x20 series....and they outspec and have more features than the 2x20 series

as for the other series comparisons -


so when you even agree the lift ability is significantly higher than Deere - and it is significant, you come up with some rationalized reason in YOUR MIND, but certainly none of the rest of the buying public as to why that is, which makes no phuckin sense....the math doesn't lie, period.....you buy a tractor to get work done, the more weight you lift, the faster and taller it lifts it, the faster the work gets done...PERIOD....dosent matter on brand

your just in denial, and its really not worth pointing out the clearly stated, and agreed upon by you in your own words, but yet you spew illogical sputtering meaningless opinions....and claim it to be fact....in your world, it would appear the world is flat, and there is no way telling you otherwise....

have a great day

[darryl gesner]

You guys argue some pretty fine points about these machines, much of which is purely subjective. Yeah I agree it's pretty stupid to have the turning brakes on the same side as the hydro pedal(s). Most of the tractors discussed here are pretty similar in capability, so it comes down to what you can find used and for what price and in what condition. I looked for over a year before I found my 855. I would have preferred the 955 but I found an 855 equipped how I wanted it (4WD, turf tires, hoe and loader) with 140 hours on it in literally showroom condition at a price I couldn't refuse. I had looked at some units that looked like they were dragged off the ocean floor with an asking price of $12k.

So argue all you want, but it comes down to what's available, equipped how you want it and at the right price, in the right place. That limits things quite a bit. If you're gonna buy new you can have your cake and eat it too, but if you're looking at used equipment, you gotta take what you can get.

[Ridin' Green]

The B2630 and B3030 series are the direct competitor to the 2x20 series....and they outspec and have more features than the 2x20 series

as for the other series comparisons -


so when you even agree the lift ability is significantly higher than Deere - and it is significant, you come up with some rationalized reason in YOUR MIND, but certainly none of the rest of the buying public as to why that is, which makes no phuckin sense....the math doesn't lie, period.....you buy a tractor to get work done, the more weight you lift, the faster and taller it lifts it, the faster the work gets done...PERIOD....dosent matter on brand

your just in denial, and its really not worth pointing out the clearly stated, and agreed upon by you in your own words, but yet you spew illogical sputtering meaningless opinions....and claim it to be fact....in your world, it would appear the world is flat, and there is no way telling you otherwise....

have a great day
You are so full of crap that your breath is bad. If you don't like the tractor comparisons, you use whichever one suits your needs at the moment to make you look correct.:rolleyes:

Well you are still wrong. I did not clearly state that the Kubota has significantly more lift. It has a couple hundred pounds more. The reasons I stated for Deere settling on that weight lift capacity are correct whether or not agree with it or not.

As for being able to lift it faster or higher because of that, again, you are full of crap! The lift capacity doesn't have anything to do with how fast or high it lifts it. The 3 point can only go so high until it reaches the top of its lift stroke. The speed of the lift is related to how much pressure the system runs at, and gallons of flow per minute, not lift capacity. Lift capacity is based on the size of the lifts cylinder(s) in the rockshaft housing jackass.

You are not only full of crap, but are arguing to try to save face since I used your data/specs to show you are wrong.

On top of that, you claimed you were done with this thread, but obviously you say one thing and do another, sorta like what you do with your facts here- use whatever suits your argument.

If you want to get into all of it, the Deere has MUCH greater HP than even the larger 5000 series Kubota's, and can run significantly larger rear implements like hay balers, Mow Co's., etc.

As for being idealogical, I like Deere tractors that's true enough, but I like any tractor period. Always have and always will. I chose Deere for my own use because they are just simply better and ahead of Kubota when it comes to advancements and features. I have never once claimed that Kubotas are bad or junk, here or anywhere else, beacuse it simply isn't how I feel (or true).

You sound like a guy who spent money on orange, and feels the need to try to reassure himself that he spent wisely.

[Ridin' Green]

You guys argue some pretty fine points about these machines, much of which is purely subjective. Yeah I agree it's pretty stupid to have the turning brakes on the same side as the hydro pedal(s). Most of the tractors discussed here are pretty similar in capability, so it comes down to what you can find used and for what price and in what condition. I looked for over a year before I found my 855. I would have preferred the 955 but I found an 855 equipped how I wanted it (4WD, turf tires, hoe and loader) with 140 hours on it in literally showroom condition at a price I couldn't refuse. I had looked at some units that looked like they were dragged off the ocean floor with an asking price of $12k.

So argue all you want, but it comes down to what's available, equipped how you want it and at the right price, in the right place. That limits things quite a bit. If you're gonna buy new you can have your cake and eat it too, but if you're looking at used equipment, you gotta take what you can get.

I agree 100% with you darryl. You can only do, what you can do. If that means buying a New Holland/Case, Agco, Massey, Kubota, Deere, or whatever brand, go for it. They are all pretty good machines with similar features, and from companies that have been around for a long time.

I didn't start this arguement here. I was responding to SSC's question about his choices and what he has looked at, or has a chance to buy, and a Kubota fan (lawnking) took exception to what I said apparently in my first post here (which is true regardless of whether or not they like it), and then all this BS started.

[Ridin' Green]

as for the other series comparisons -


so when you even agree the lift ability is significantly higher than Deere - and it is significant, you come up with some rationalized reason in YOUR MIND, but certainly none of the rest of the buying public as to why that is, which makes no phuckin sense....


It is insignificant if the weight of the tractor (even with a FEL) is not enough to keep the tractor from tipping over backwards or at the very least from lifting the front wheels off the ground trying to lift that weight. Common sense should have told you that.:hammerhead:

[alanauer]

Guys. Guys. Let's pretend our dialogue is all face-to-face. And the other guy has a hundred pounds on you and you just came out of hernia surgery. And he holds a demand note on your house. And he went out with your wife before you met. And he has a piece of equipment that you might need to borrow next week. And ... well, you get the idea.

[Ridin' Green]

Guys. Guys. Let's pretend our dialogue is all face-to-face. And the other guy has a hundred pounds on you and you just came out of hernia surgery. And he holds a demand note on your house. And he went out with your wife before you met. And he has a piece of equipment that you might need to borrow next week. And ... well, you get the idea.

On here, FTF. Don't matter to me, and I don't care who has the weight advantage. I don't appreciate a guy coming on here and making statements to the effect that I'm smoking dope or on any type of drugs, or most of all that I'm a liar.

The facts/links are all there for anyone to go and read, and then do some research on who has been at the forefront of product developement for the last 20-30 years between the two manufacturer's, and you will see it has clearly been Deere. Heck, just go around to used tractor lots and look at what was available for a long time on a Deere before it became available on a Kubota going by model year vs model year. Kubota has always made good machines, no question, but they have always (until very recently) been spartan at best in their features.

[Ducati996]

You are so full of crap that your breath is bad. If you don't like the tractor comparisons, you use whichever one suits your needs at the moment to make you look correct.:rolleyes:

Well you are still wrong. I did not clearly state that the Kubota has significantly more lift. It has a couple hundred pounds more. The reasons I stated for Deere settling on that weight lift capacity are correct whether or not agree with it or not.

As for being able to lift it faster or higher because of that, again, you are full of crap! The lift capacity doesn't have anything to do with how fast or high it lifts it. The 3 point can only go so high until it reaches the top of its lift stroke. The speed of the lift is related to how much pressure the system runs at, and gallons of flow per minute, not lift capacity. Lift capacity is based on the size of the lifts cylinder(s) in the rockshaft housing jackass.

You are not only full of crap, but are arguing to try to save face since I used your data/specs to show you are wrong.

On top of that, you claimed you were done with this thread, but obviously you say one thing and do another, sorta like what you do with your facts here- use whatever suits your argument.

If you want to get into all of it, the Deere has MUCH greater HP than even the larger 5000 series Kubota's, and can run significantly larger rear implements like hay balers, Mow Co's., etc.

As for being idealogical, I like Deere tractors that's true enough, but I like any tractor period. Always have and always will. I chose Deere for my own use because they are just simply better and ahead of Kubota when it comes to advancements and features. I have never once claimed that Kubotas are bad or junk, here or anywhere else, beacuse it simply isn't how I feel (or true).

You sound like a guy who spent money on orange, and feels the need to try to reassure himself that he spent wisely.

I came back because playing twist tittie with a tool is fun....the B2630 and B3030 were always the competitive comparison to the 2x20 series.....the B2620 dosent have postion control.....yeah by you comparing a lesser model, you look better, but in reality its always been the B2630 and B3030 series....which have better spec when using the backhoe, FEL or 3 pt hitch

when lift capabilities are a few hundred pounds more, it is significant - its 20%to 30% higher, which is a significant difference.....I dont need you to speak numbers, since tools dont understand math......they have larger cylinders, height, reach, breakout force and higher PSI....and cost about the same as the 2520 and 2720 series.....

Once again I have a Deere 2520, and I would never say the 2x20 series is better than the B2630 or B3030...you know why? because its not....dosent make the 2520 a bad machine, its just not a 3 sp hydro, with a better backhoe or FEL than Kubota.....you can do FEL work in mid range with a Kubota but not with a Deere 2x20...why is that? because its only 2 speed, and low is only FEL work and its slow in that range (hence less productive)

at this point I dont give crap about the other models you bring into the mix....your not even rational in your postion.....you overstate Deeres features and functions and specifications.....again its not a knock against Deere, its a rebuttal to buttheads in general....the machine is great either way

[Ducati996]

It is insignificant if the weight of the tractor (even with a FEL) is not enough to keep the tractor from tipping over backwards or at the very least from lifting the front wheels off the ground trying to lift that weight. Common sense should have told you that.:hammerhead:

On here, FTF. Don't matter to me, and I don't care who has the weight advantage. I don't appreciate a guy coming on here and making statements to the effect that I'm smoking dope or on any type of drugs, or most of all that I'm a liar.

The facts/links are all there for anyone to go and read, and then do some research on who has been at the forefront of product developement for the last 20-30 years between the two manufacturer's, and you will see it has clearly been Deere. Heck, just go around to used tractor lots and look at what was available for a long time on a Deere before it became available on a Kubota going by model year vs model year. Kubota has always made good machines, no question, but they have always (until very recently) been spartan at best in their features.

Well maybe I was wrong about the dope....maybe its something else? who cares, actually

Your thumping your chest like your the expert, and really your not.....now your gonna say the kubotas will tip over because they out spec Deere? that is just a lame response, and implies Deere has better stability than Kubota....another BS opinion spouted off by the chest thumping expert.....proper ballast regardless and proper operational use and ability by the user, insures that will be minimized - and that hazard is universal with all brands

[Ducati996]

Guys. Guys. Let's pretend our dialogue is all face-to-face. And the other guy has a hundred pounds on you and you just came out of hernia surgery. And he holds a demand note on your house. And he went out with your wife before you met. And he has a piece of equipment that you might need to borrow next week. And ... well, you get the idea.

well either way I will have the same exact dialog with someone who is incorrect....I assure you Im not a internet keyboard jockey, and he can keep my wife, he has earned her :)

[Ducati996]

Attached are two spec sheets from Kubota comparing the 2720 and 2520 to the B2630 and B3030.....since the hydraulics are identical on each model on both manufactures on both sides, its pretty accurate and clear....

Kubota is significantly more powerful, has better FEL height, better breakout, digging depth (back hoe), etc..... plus a 3 speed hydro....a feature Deere needs desperately in this series, and is the #1 request

the 2520 and 2720 are Deeres best in that size offering....so is the B2630/B3030 series from Kubota

[Ridin' Green]

Well maybe I was wrong about the dope....maybe its something else? who cares, actually

Your thumping your chest like your the expert, and really your not.....now your gonna say the kubotas will tip over because they out spec Deere? that is just a lame response, and implies Deere has better stability than Kubota....another BS opinion spouted off by the chest thumping expert.....proper ballast regardless and proper operational use and ability by the user, insures that will be minimized - and that hazard is universal with all brands

You can name call all you want while you're safe sitting behind your computer screen. That's what gutless cowards do.

You're the blowhard making up facts and statements to suit you. No one here, including me, ever said that the Kubota would tip over backwards because it is less stable than a Deere. What I said (since your reading comprehension seems to be rather poor) is that having to much rear lift capacity is useless if the weight capability of the tractor to lift it and hold down the front end isn't there.

There is not 20-30% difference in lift capacity either.Using the stats in the links above- Deere 4X2X series= 2500 lbs @24" behind the link ends. Kubota Grand L 40series= 2646 lbs @ 24" behind the link ends. Since you can't seem to do math yourself, that's only 146 lbs or 5.25% difference.

Deere 400X loader- 2368 lbs at max height, at pivot pin. Grand L40= 2489. Those numbers have only been that high for Kubota fairly recently. deere has had them for 13 years or more.

The Kubota 2630 (68.5 CI) has a smaller displacement engine than the Deere 2520 (81.2 CI), and runs at a higher rated speed to achieve that, which translates into a shorter useful engine life all else being equal (maintainence wise).


The Deere 2520 weighs- 1865 lbs
The Kubota 2630 weights- 1786 lbs.

Except for the lift on the Kubota being a higher on the 3 point, the Deere has more advantages.

Deere came out with a high tec tranny first (the Pow'r Reverser)
Had higher lift capacities for year before Kubota finally caught up
Has wet clutches for the drive clutch, while Kubota STILL uses a dry clutch.
Has the steering drag lin behind the heavy cat front axle where it's protected from being bent by unseen stumps, while Kubota still places them out in front of the axle where they can get bent if you're bushhogging at more than creeper speed and accidentally hit an unseen stump.

Deere had a tractor mounted joystick LONG before Kubota ever did.

Like I said before, the list goes on. Deere comes out with it, and everyone plays catchup. Then Deere does it again, and the cycle starts all over.

You lose the argument that the Grand L is far superior and don't want to talk about that one anymore, so you turn to the 2X2X series Deere, and Kubby 2630. You're still losing jackwagon.:rolleyes::hammerhead::hammerhead:

The 2520, and 2720 are Deere's only offerings in that class, but Kubota had to come out with the 2X3X series to best them at anything, which wasn't much when you actually read the specs in their links.

I am not an expert, but I seem to know the facts a whole lot better than you.

[Ducati996]

You can name call all you want while you're safe sitting behind your computer screen. That's what gutless cowards do.

You're the blowhard making up facts and statements to suit you. No one here, including me, ever said that the Kubota would tip over backwards because it is less stable than a Deere. What I said (since your reading comprehension seems to be rather poor) is that having to much rear lift capacity is useless if the weight capability of the tractor to lift it and hold down the front end isn't there.

There is not 20-30% difference in lift capacity either.Using the stats in the links above- Deere 4X2X series= 2500 lbs @24" behind the link ends. Kubota Grand L 40series= 2646 lbs @ 24" behind the link ends. Since you can't seem to do math yourself, that's only 146 lbs or 5.25% difference.

Deere 400X loader- 2368 lbs at max height, at pivot pin. Grand L40= 2489. Those numbers have only been that high for Kubota fairly recently. deere has had them for 13 years or more.

The Kubota 2630 (68.5 CI) has a smaller displacement engine than the Deere 2520 (81.2 CI), and runs at a higher rated speed to achieve that, which translates into a shorter useful engine life all else being equal (maintainence wise).


The Deere 2520 weighs- 1865 lbs
The Kubota 2630 weights- 1786 lbs.

Except for the lift on the Kubota being a higher on the 3 point, the Deere has more advantages.

Deere came out with a high tec tranny first (the Pow'r Reverser)
Had higher lift capacities for year before Kubota finally caught up
Has wet clutches for the drive clutch, while Kubota STILL uses a dry clutch.
Has the steering drag lin behind the heavy cat front axle where it's protected from being bent by unseen stumps, while Kubota still places them out in front of the axle where they can get bent if you're bushhogging at more than creeper speed and accidentally hit an unseen stump.

Deere had a tractor mounted joystick LONG before Kubota ever did.

Like I said before, the list goes on. Deere comes out with it, and everyone plays catchup. Then Deere does it again, and the cycle starts all over.

You lose the argument that the Grand L is far superior and don't want to talk about that one anymore, so you turn to the 2X2X series Deere, and Kubby 2630. You're still losing jackwagon.:rolleyes::hammerhead::hammerhead:

The 2520, and 2720 are Deere's only offerings in that class, but Kubota had to come out with the 2X3X series to best them at anything, which wasn't much when you actually read the specs in their links.

I am not an expert, but I seem to know the facts a whole lot better than you.


just stick with comparing the top of the line models and in many or most cases Kubota comes out on top - looks at the comparison sheets and yes 30% or more in some areas is significant.....if you got a 30% raise would you consider that a little or a significant raise? L4240 and the best loader...3pt ability seems pretty high.....whatever the sheets are there for all to see

I really dont care who did what 15 years ago....the 4100 came out in 1998, followed by the 4110, 4115 then the 2x20 series....plenty of time to add a 3 sp hydro....and they never did....real trail blazers there :(

and the FEL and 3pt on the B2630 & B3030 are around 30% or more improved over Deere 200cx loader...its been that way since 2006 when i got my 2520

personally I dont care but Deere aint trail blazing in these models anytime soon....


yours truly,

Gutless coward...just dont call me yellow OMG!

[Ridin' Green]

just stick with comparing the top of the line models and in many or most cases Kubota comes out on top - looks at the comparison sheets and yes 30% or more in some areas is significant.....if you got a 30% raise would you consider that a little or a significant raise? L4240 and the best loader...3pt ability seems pretty high.....whatever the sheets are there for all to see

I really dont care who did what 15 years ago....the 4100 came out in 1998, followed by the 4110, 4115 then the 2x20 series....plenty of time to add a 3 sp hydro....and they never did....real trail blazers there :(

and the FEL and 3pt on the B2630 & B3030 are around 30% or more improved over Deere 200cx loader...its been that way since 2006 when i got my 2520

personally I dont care but Deere aint trail blazing in these models anytime soon....


yours truly,

Gutless coward...just dont call me yellow OMG!

All of these machines get used for many applications other than loader or backhoe work, so hand picking the stats that seem to make your case is disingenuous of you, because it totally overlooks all the other uses for these machines, and things/uses that are more common to them than loader/backhoe work.

I've posted plenty of links to the stats you are citing, as well as those for Deere, and anyone who can read can see there's not much difference in the lifts capacities between them (which I didn't bring up, you guys did. Rather I said that Deere had better features first, and more often still does). There are notable differences in overall design and build between the 2630 and 2520 as a whole ie; weight, engines displacement, etc., just as I posted above, as well as all the things that I listed that Deere has been doing for a long time and are relatively new on Kubby's. The 3 range trans is not really useful on the smaller machines like it is on the larger ones. You simply want to overlook the facts bro.:dizzy:


The newer design FEL for the 2630 (going by Kubby's stats) says the lift is 952 lbs at the pin. The stats for my 410 loader for my 4115 shows 882 at the pin. Since the Kubby loader is a newer design than the 410, obviously Kubota came out with their stats to better what the older 410 loader could do, and it isn't by much. Before that though, and just as I have been saying, Deere has always beaten them, and will again. It's only a matter of time (and really quite stupid to keep going beyond what any of these machines are comfortable doing, regardless of who builds them). Anything that Kubota can now do better, is fairly recent, and designed to better Deere for sales purposes obviously. Same at the 3 point. I know that the 2520 is heavier than a 2630, and I wouldn't want to be able to lift more than what it is rated for at 24" behind the links with that size tractor, FEL or not. Having an extra 100 lbs capacity doesn't provide me with anything that I can honestly use on this size machine.

Regardless, you have been making my point for me with your last couple posts. The Kubota 2630 is a lighter machine than the Deere 2520, but it's loader lifts more. That doesn't translate into longevity for the Kubby's tractor life. The specs/stats on the Deere 2520 itself as a tractor do though.

These machines get used for much more than just loader/backhoe work. Truth be told, neither of the smaller machines we are talking about here is the ideal choice for backhoe work/use. Having more engine displacement and overall weight goes a long way towards a longer useful life of the machine. So does the lower rated engine speed, and larger displacement engines on the Deere.

When it comes down to it, it's all a sales pitch once a particular performance point is reached on any of these machines, because their size/build, and weight are what limits them to what they can really do for an extended amount of time in service/use, so having the highest lift for the sake of having it, without the size/build to take advantage of it over the long haul is pointless, and I don't care who makes it. The ability needs to match the capacity.


Obviously we are never going to agree, so there's no need to keep going on with this, with you. I'll let the other readers/posters here decide for themselves what they believe after reading up on all the stats-both past and present, and what was offered in the past (and/or first) by both Co's then decide if what I've been saying is wrong or right.:)

[lawn king]

I have owned 3 new kubota tractors since 2000. Never had a machine die on a job or experienced any catastrophic breakdown what so ever! I like the fact that kubota builds the frame,tranny,engine,etc (like mack)! As far as kubota being years behind deere in technology,can you say hydrostat plus?

[Mickhippy]

I came across this vid a few weeks ago. It may be worth a look...
http://youtu.be/5SvlIPjFm-E

[Ridin' Green]

I came across this vid a few weeks ago. It may be worth a look...
http://youtu.be/5SvlIPjFm-E

Not a fair/even comparison Mick.

The guy is obviously trying to sell Kubota's. He's wearing orange for crying out loud. He's also comparing a bare bones entry level Deere CUT to a higher featured Kubota.

I guess he forgot to mention the part about the steel hood/fenders rusting and denting if something falls from the FEL bucket, while you can slam a ball bat down across the hood of the Deere without it denting or being damaged, or that Deere had tractor mounted joysticks on their main tractor [/I[I]]lines years before Kubota ever did.:rolleyes:

[Mickhippy]

Which Deere should he be comparing to?

[Ridin' Green]

I have owned 3 new kubota tractors since 2000. Never had a machine die on a job or experienced any catastrophic breakdown what so ever! I like the fact that kubota builds the frame,tranny,engine,etc (like mack)! As far as kubota being years behind deere in technology,can you say hydrostat plus?

I'm not suprised at all lawnking. As I've said repeatedly here, Kubota makes darn good stuff. I said a few years behind- as in two or three (sometimes as much as four) years behind in tec. You are making it sound like I said a decade or more.

However, looking at their website shows the hydrostat plus trans as still being on a tredal pedal. Not exactly cutting edge technology. On top of that, it was their answer to Deere's E-hydro which uses side by side hydro pedals, and was out first.

Except for the smallest Deere CUT's (and some of their bare bones entry level stuff like that in the link above), the rest of their line is made entirely by them, including their engines at their plants (mainly in Augusta Georgia).

One other reason I like Deere, is that while some of their parts come from over seas, the main profit money stays here, with the parent company here in the USA. Kubota's may be made here now, and have their headquarters in California, but the profit money still ends up back at the mother company in Japan ( http://www.kubota-global.net/c-data/affiliates.html ). In these times of a world economy, I do whatever I can to support this country, 'cause no other country lets us sell our stuff there like we do them here.:usflag:

[Ridin' Green]

Which Deere should he be comparing to?

That would be more in line with the 3020 series Deere. Heck, even the older 790 (great tractors by the way) had a few more useful features than the 3032E (E, for economy) series Deere do. There's nothing wrong with the 3032E series other than they are really stripped down entry level machines for people who simply can't afford anything more. The Kubota in that video is a dedicated utility tractor and has features designed for that application, hence the name-Special Utility.


There are always videos coming and going comparing this one to that one.

There was a video on the net that compared the Deere 4320 CUT(48 HP) to the slightly larger Kubota L5030 CUT(52.2 HP) that showed what they can do in side by side tests pulling a weighted sled. Since Deere re-did their website, it is no longer on it, or the web. The link was www.JohnDeere.com/TractorPull . The Deere 4320 out pulled it by a noticable degree, mainly because of the way it transfered its power to the ground via their load match system.

It's all in who's making the video, and for what purpose.

[Mickhippy]

Fair call!!!! I wasnt trying to play sides, just show a vid!
I do own a little Kub 1999 B1700 HST though. Great little machine for around the yard.

[Ridin' Green]

Fair call!!!! I wasnt trying to play sides, just show a vid!
I do own a little Kub 1999 B1700 HST though. Great little machine for around the yard.

It must come in handy on some of the hills I've seen in your youtube videos, no? How's the new rear tires on your Hustler working out?

[Mickhippy]

I feel the B1700 is a little top heavy so am very careful which way I approach slopes! It can climb just about anything though, even with turf tires.

Its a little early to tell with the tires. I can say that thin and or damp soil/grass does not like them. Tight turning around trees etc isnt great but we're just coming out of winter and grass hasnt really kicked off properly yet. I'll give a report when I have a more time on them. Traction is great so far though. Maybe a bit too good!

[Ridin' Green]

I feel the B1700 is a little top heavy so am very careful which way I approach slopes! It can climb just about anything though, even with turf tires.

Its a little early to tell with the tires. I can say that thin and or damp soil/grass does not like them. Tight turning around trees etc isnt great but we're just coming out of winter and grass hasnt really kicked off properly yet. I'll give a report when I have a more time on them. Traction is great so far though. Maybe a bit too good!

I don't mean to hi-jack this thread, but since you are here............
I was thinking the same thing about tearing the sod. Though we are just heading into fall here, the grass conditions are about as sensitive as in the early spring it seems. I would like to try them though, and would really like to read your reveiw when you get it up on the board here.

I bet there's no more sliding sideways into the garage though eh?:laugh:

[Ducati996]

All of these machines get used for many applications other than loader or backhoe work, so hand picking the stats that seem to make your case is disingenuous of you, because it totally overlooks all the other uses for these machines, and things/uses that are more common to them than loader/backhoe work.

I've posted plenty of links to the stats you are citing, as well as those for Deere, and anyone who can read can see there's not much difference in the lifts capacities between them (which I didn't bring up, you guys did. Rather I said that Deere had better features first, and more often still does). There are notable differences in overall design and build between the 2630 and 2520 as a whole ie; weight, engines displacement, etc., just as I posted above, as well as all the things that I listed that Deere has been doing for a long time and are relatively new on Kubby's. The 3 range trans is not really useful on the smaller machines like it is on the larger ones. You simply want to overlook the facts bro.:dizzy:


The newer design FEL for the 2630 (going by Kubby's stats) says the lift is 952 lbs at the pin. The stats for my 410 loader for my 4115 shows 882 at the pin. Since the Kubby loader is a newer design than the 410, obviously Kubota came out with their stats to better what the older 410 loader could do, and it isn't by much. Before that though, and just as I have been saying, Deere has always beaten them, and will again. It's only a matter of time (and really quite stupid to keep going beyond what any of these machines are comfortable doing, regardless of who builds them). Anything that Kubota can now do better, is fairly recent, and designed to better Deere for sales purposes obviously. Same at the 3 point. I know that the 2520 is heavier than a 2630, and I wouldn't want to be able to lift more than what it is rated for at 24" behind the links with that size tractor, FEL or not. Having an extra 100 lbs capacity doesn't provide me with anything that I can honestly use on this size machine.

Regardless, you have been making my point for me with your last couple posts. The Kubota 2630 is a lighter machine than the Deere 2520, but it's loader lifts more. That doesn't translate into longevity for the Kubby's tractor life. The specs/stats on the Deere 2520 itself as a tractor do though.

These machines get used for much more than just loader/backhoe work. Truth be told, neither of the smaller machines we are talking about here is the ideal choice for backhoe work/use. Having more engine displacement and overall weight goes a long way towards a longer useful life of the machine. So does the lower rated engine speed, and larger displacement engines on the Deere.

When it comes down to it, it's all a sales pitch once a particular performance point is reached on any of these machines, because their size/build, and weight are what limits them to what they can really do for an extended amount of time in service/use, so having the highest lift for the sake of having it, without the size/build to take advantage of it over the long haul is pointless, and I don't care who makes it. The ability needs to match the capacity.


Obviously we are never going to agree, so there's no need to keep going on with this, with you. I'll let the other readers/posters here decide for themselves what they believe after reading up on all the stats-both past and present, and what was offered in the past (and/or first) by both Co's then decide if what I've been saying is wrong or right.:)

You haven't taken a look at the size of the front axles on the B2630 or B3030 machines have you? considerably larger than the Yanmar design on the 2320, 2520, 2720 series.....I believe they are designed to handle more front end weight.....the 410 loader is an older antiquated design, replaced by the 200 series....deere has always rated these loaders at 800 lbs at the pin...kubota loader LA403 on the B2630/B3030 series is 1091 at the pins.....that's a huge difference.....the 4115 has been replaced by the 2520, and they have been making these machines since the 4100 back in 1998....they never really boost anything since then, maybe even de-rated the machines....410 loader was at one time at 881 lbs at the pins, but now the 200 CX is at 800 lbs even thought its a better loader all the way around ( I had a 410 CX loader)...

If your not using the machine with a FEL or backhoe, your really not using the machine fully in my opinion...I use them to their max, including a brush hog in the back.....the B series are rated to lift 24" in the 3pt at 1676 lbs....deere is only at 1150 lbs.....another huge difference

you keep taking about weight difference between the machines and there is only a 34 lbs difference - weight can always be added, and in this case takes nothing away from the frame strength or axle longevity from Kubota as you imply....

I posted the specs earlier...calling me disingenuous is really funny, and i'm not sure you fully understand the vernacular your trying to use.....keep it simple, ok bud? :drinkup:

[SouthSide Cutter]

Guy called me on the 790. Has 100hrs, loader, blade, box scraper, bush hog and 72" finish mower 12500. With Trailer 13200. Going to look at it tomorrow.

[Ducati996]

Guy called me on the 790. Has 100hrs, loader, blade, box scraper, bush hog and 72" finish mower 12500. With Trailer 13200. Going to look at it tomorrow.

Ok, im gonna just say it....you really should be looking at a hydro - a straight gear tractor, is one giant pain in the ass and painfully unproductive compared to hydros.....shuttle shifts/power reversers or GST at a bare minimum, with hydro preferred.....you can find used in that range with a hydro....just need to hold ground until you find something

[alanauer]

"... should be looking at a hydro - a straight gear tractor, is one giant pain in the ass and painfully unproductive compared to hydros.....shuttle shifts/power reversers or GST at a bare minimum, with hydro preferred...."

Depends. There are pros and cons. Here are some; I'm sure you can suggest others.

-Simple gear models don't rob power and don't need to get rid of heat from another mechanism. -Some systems don't provide enough gear ranges for all applications, and don't have the "cruise control" feature. -Many need the same foot for braking and going (with cars you don't need to use both at the same time on occasion).

But they are good if -you don't want to keep pumping the clutch pedal or you have inexperienced operators you want to make things simple for -you don't need to brake often -you need precision control in tight areas

[lawn king]

Ok, im gonna just say it....you really should be looking at a hydro - a straight gear tractor, is one giant pain in the ass and painfully unproductive compared to hydros.....shuttle shifts/power reversers or GST at a bare minimum, with hydro preferred.....you can find used in that range with a hydro....just need to hold ground until you find something

Agreed 100% Go hydro.

[LBA1999]

Hydro is only way to go. Deere, kubota, does not matter. both are good machines and will serve you well for years if cared for. that said, I would def. get a tractor the physical frame size of the 4310 you are looking at. If you are going to bush hog and grade, these tractors are more suited to this than a small frame machine like a 2520 or B2630, because they handle wider attachments. Lift height is also much higher. I would not get a 4310 though I had a 4410 and sold it after hearing all the nightmares the electronic controls caused. Current deeres went back to levers for stuff like 4WD and diff lock and that is much more reliable. DO NOT buy a deere economy tractor like 3203 or 3032 or 3038 E. Hydraulics are super rough and lift capacity is around 1/2 to 2/3 that or nicer deeres. No experience with economy Kubotas. Be patient and a used deal will come along. You may save money by buying attachments on Craigslist. look long enough and you will find them dirt cheap. If you are buying new, a Grand L40 series is hard to beat. Have looked very hard at the quality and robustness of both brands, and sad to say I have been a JD man for almost 20 years but next tractor will be Kubota either L5740 or L45 TLB just my $.02 let us know how it works out post pics of what u end up with.

[lawn king]

I have a 2008, grand L 40 series kubota. Its a beautiful machine! Not too heavy or light, tons of hydraulic power (fel-3 pt), position control, decent pto power, luxury cab with strong ac/heat, suspension seat, intellipanel. Good lighting inside & out, decent on fuel, hydrosrat + tranny, this list goes on & on! You will have to search far and wide to find someone who does not like this series from kubota!