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bcg
09-15-2011, 05:03 PM
I'm working on a project that will include some exterior sconces on the garage and need some suggestions on what to use. I'm looking for something bronze or with a bronzed brass finish to go where the 3 yellow circles are. I need a down sconce for the left and up/down sconces for the other 2 locations. The plan is to core drill and place 3 lights in front of the garage doors as well.

Thanks for the help!

LLC RI
09-15-2011, 06:41 PM
I'm assuming that you want line voltage because there are already line voltage boxes, feeds in those locations?

If so... you can use any low voltage fixture like Nightscapings Chaperone and use the LPC option ( low profile canopy). If there are boxes in the brick, you should be able to fit a small 50-60 watt electronic transformer to break the line voltage down to 12 volts.

They offer an Earthtone finish which is brown and would blend in nicely on the brick. I would recommend the honeycomb louvers in the down lights especially and use a 20 watt 60 degree in the bottom and maybe the same in the top, unless you want it brighter.

If you want something fancy, check out spjlighting.com and see some of their up/down lights in line voltage.

Good luck

George

LLC RI
09-15-2011, 06:44 PM
If you are going to core drill for the garage doors?? you mean above the door, in the brick? so you'll want like a Nightscaping SOffitliter that you can recess in to the brick that is above the door.. the bottom side of the brick and you'll get a nice downlight on the doors.. 2 for the big and 1 for the small.

You could also use the Nightscaping stylist.. .( esp if you go with the chaperone on the up/downs' ) and use the stylist aiming down only. That fixture will give you some adjustability so you can project the beam of light so it just grazes the doors surface, with the rest of it going down to the driveway pad.

bcg
09-15-2011, 07:41 PM
Thanks, I considered using an inline transformer but I'd really rather find something that is just line voltage, one less thing to fail.

I'm going to core drill the driveway and uplight the doors, like this -

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=222844&stc=1&d=1307153649

AztlanLC
09-15-2011, 08:39 PM
VOLT has some nice sconces http://www.landscapelightingworld.com/outdoor-lighting-sconce-p/650.htm
they are low voltage tough

bcg
09-15-2011, 08:54 PM
Thanks. Kichler has a line voltage version of that but I'd really like something that fits up against the brick with a 1/2 circle. Unique does have a high voltage version of the Orion that might fit but I'd like to have some other options to consider as well. The Orion isn't exactly what I'm looking for but it'll do if I can't find what I want.

RLI Electric
09-15-2011, 10:31 PM
Bernie,
I believe Vision 3 has some stuff. Check out Lumiere (Cooper Lighting) Westwood model. I never used it but it looks nice.

LLC RI
09-15-2011, 11:04 PM
As I said then, if you want line voltage, check out http://www.spjlighting.com/servlet/the-Up--fdsh--Down-Accents/Categories.

They have a decent variety of decorative and architectural up/down fixtures.

As for core drilling the driveway to uplight the doors.... just my opinion... but I would do one or the other. The up/ down lights along the sides of the doors will / should spread to light below. If anything, look into sneaking something under the garage door frame to downlight. The doors look so much better downlit and you get more light on the ground ahead of the door to aid in driving in and out... etc. as I said.. just my opinion.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
09-16-2011, 12:11 AM
There is another advantage to converting to / using low voltage fixtures and lamps vs. combining the use of Line & Low voltage and that is lamp consistency in terms of output, colour, etc.

You will find it pretty hard to match output and beam consistency when mixing lamps. Personally I would recommend you use a small ELV transformer in the junction boxes and go with a LV up/down fixture. This way you can keep the same lamp in the wall fixtures as in the cored well lights. I would recommend you look at the LET60LW ELV Trans from Lightech. They are superior to all others and the new low watt versions are compatible with most LED lamps.

On that note, you might want to seriously consider using quality LED lamps from Illumicare Group. The beam patterns are so much more consistent and free from the sirations and abberations that plague most halogen MR16 lamps beams. (shameless, and yet helpful plug)

emby
09-16-2011, 03:55 PM
Bernie,

I hope your having a great year and it will be nice to see you again in Orlando next year.

SPJ has a great variety of sconces that are line voltage. Colour temperature is 2700K. You could also look to Escort lighting to have something made to match the decor (or something totally unique) of the rest of the outside fixtures.
On a side note, do you really want to illuminate the aluminum siding from the those lights? I think the garage doors would look amazing lit from below as you noted but sometimes I always ask why and what am I going to light?
I think a fixture that is somewhat different than the average residence would be perfect in that application as you would notice them while not lit during the day.
My intention is totally friendly as I know that your design skills are nothing but spectacular.
Let us know what you decide on as I would be very interested to see this project once complete.
Take care.

Ken

bcg
09-16-2011, 05:13 PM
Thanks, Ken. This area isn't really going to be seen from the street, its through the port o-corche (sp?) and behind an iron gate and a smaller 1 car garage. The main goal of lighting up the Hardie plank is really to get reflected light off the soffit to light up the driveway area at night, more for safety and visibility than anything else.I may end up putting some sort of a frosted 1/2 circle or coach lights on a dimmer and down lighting from the soffit instead, I'm still kind of playing around with this in my head.

The other outdoor house lighting is all can lights or soffit mounted floods so there isn't really a style to match, whatever we put here will be the only architectural lighting elements on the property.

I do appreciate everyone's feedback so far.

emby
09-16-2011, 08:41 PM
Hey Bernie,

Just thinking here but what if you went with SPJ Mr.Universe's up under the eves. The optic options are great (all the way up to 88 degrees) and they are so tiny that you will not see them up there. That would create a nice light from up there.

Lite4
09-16-2011, 09:11 PM
I would just use the up/ downs and skip the cores lights. (I have not seen the whole project so I may be speaking out of place), but there just doesn't seem to be much of any intersting architectural details above the garage besides a blank wall. The sconces should provide adequate light and link the garage to any other areas. Just my .02
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bcg
10-14-2011, 07:02 PM
Here's what I ended up with. Customer didn't want to spend for core drills and bores so we used the Unique sconces and Nightscaping Soffit Lighters. Photo hasn't been blended or touched up so it's not perfect but this gives a pretty good representation.

I would have liked to have put the soffit lighters a little further from the door for more even light spreading but the construction didn't allow it.

LLC RI
10-14-2011, 11:12 PM
If you are going to core drill for the garage doors?? you mean above the door, in the brick? so you'll want like a Nightscaping SOffitliter that you can recess in to the brick that is above the door.. the bottom side of the brick and you'll get a nice downlight on the doors.. 2 for the big and 1 for the small.

You could also use the Nightscaping stylist.. .( esp if you go with the chaperone on the up/downs' ) and use the stylist aiming down only. That fixture will give you some adjustability so you can project the beam of light so it just grazes the doors surface, with the rest of it going down to the driveway pad.



Seems like you took my advice and went with Nightacapings Soffitliters... good job... I think it looks much better than if you had the core drills in the driveway. Let me know when my check is ready and I'll send you my address